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glued

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Would love to see it happen

Yeah but you said it was picking up heat. That is not picking up heat.

glued

glued wrote: »

Yeah but you said it was picking up heat. That is not picking up heat.

I'm so sorry then it's not picking up heat :rolleyes:

It's being repeated in the tabloids (manatees) today.

glued

M!Ck^ wrote: »

I'm so sorry then it's not picking up heat :rolleyes:

It's being repeated in the tabloids (manatees) today.

Apology and rolleyes accepted

Lord TSC

Ah Wayne. It's quite easy to downplay the importance of top awards when you aren't up for any :rolleyes:

ericzeking

I can't for the life of me understand the heat on Rooney after this past season in particular where he was just about the only one who put his shoulder to the wheel in such a difficult time, it was very captain-like.

Contracts and their intricacies mean nothing to me as a fan, people are going to use what tools they can to improve their work circumstances, in your own average Joe job, you might angle as if you were thinking of leaving if you were looking for better terms....so why wouldn't a soccer player or in this case a soccer players agent?

I should note that last summer I would have sold Rooney abroad in a heartbeat as I felt it would have been good business.

Rubber_Soul

“Do you think you’re a top player?” Moyes asked. Rooney replied that he did. Then Moyes hit him with the killer line. “Then why have Chelsea offered only £25m for you?”

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jun/11/wayne-rooney-england-italy-world-cup-2014

Mitch Connor

glued wrote: »

Apology and rolleyes accepted

While you are online, can you explain what is the rubbish Mitten put out after his interview with Woodward?

KH25

StarshipPooper wrote: »

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jun/11/wayne-rooney-england-italy-world-cup-2014

Well, Moyes had a lot more bottle than I gave him credit for!

KH25

KH25 wrote: »

Well, Moyes had a lot more bottle than I gave him credit for!

I never doubted Moye's commitment. Fair ****s to him for telling Rooney to get the finger out

Backstreet Moyes

KH25 wrote: »

He tries hard, yeah. Not disputing that. But the fact is he handed in a transfer request and threatened to go to City. That was all about Rooney wanting his own way. The team had nothing to do with it. So for him to come out and say that stuff about winning as a team is laughable.

Rooney handed in a transfer request because he was furious United were lacking ambition. While the likes of Chelsea and City were spending big United were not investing in the team. He went about it the wrong way listening to his agent but he had good intentions i don't think he ever wanted to leave United.

Lord TSC

ericzeking wrote: »

I can't for the life of me understand the heat on Rooney after this past season in particular where he was just about the only one who put his shoulder to the wheel in such a difficult time, it was very captain-like.

People always seem to bring up his performance, but personally, I feel he achieved the minimum a player should when a team the stature of United is built completely around him. He was pretty much the center point of all our attacks, with the ball constantly going through him, and often players were played out of position to accommodate him. Of course he then got goals and assists.

But that doesn't mean he should be who the team should be built around, and doesn't mean it shouldn't be questioned as to his ability when he plays the supporting role. I'd personally much prefer to see RVP with Mata or Kagawa behind him than Rooney.

TheDoc

StarshipPooper wrote: »

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jun/11/wayne-rooney-england-italy-world-cup-2014

Read that last night.

Have to say it was a brilliant line., It's a pity it didnt go into more detail, but just indicated Moyes gave Rooney some hard truths, which in fairness he probably needed to hear coming off the back of a poor season.

Still somewhat unsure if Rooney's performances were fetching a new contract/generate more interest from clubs, or if he just pure responded. Had initially thought the former, but must admit reading that last night thought to myself it might have been the latter.

Makes you wonder if Moyes is maybe on of those managers that doesn't go accross well to players with big egos and soft mentalities. As in his not the arm around the shoulder kinda guy. And just tells you if your being ****.

TheDoc

ericzeking wrote: »

I can't for the life of me understand the heat on Rooney after this past season in particular where he was just about the only one who put his shoulder to the wheel in such a difficult time, it was very captain-like.

In fairness I think the heat is coming from the UK public and press. With the performance of Liverpool this year, they are making the stupid assumption that form is everything going into a tournament.

The reason I say it's stupid, is because if Hodgson gave them what they want hed go with a front three of Sterling, Lallana and Strurridge. About 10 caps combined between them, no real competitive experience at international level, would most likely flounder and I'm sure he would get berated.

For all the various barren spells, and as Pro.F articulates well everytime and made me change my mind, Rooney is a top quality striker with bags of experience. Unless he is a complete donkey in the first game, you should be palying him.

I'd also go as far as saying he should be up front and central, playing second fiddle to no one. But obviously any logic will be completely out the window because of the Liverpool fanfare and people focusing on the goals scored by Sturridge, completely disregarding who he had playing alongside him.

Meh I'm not English so don't care, but if I was, I'd be argueing for Rooney up front and central, doing nothing else.

glued

Mitch Connor wrote: »

While you are online, can you explain what is the rubbish Mitten put out after his interview with Woodward?

Mitten was spreading rumours about Manchester United signing Ronaldo. He started that rumour last Summer when it was clear the interview in the podcast alluded to nothing of the sort.

He also started other rumours too which proved to be false.

fitzer1982

Interesting read based on values of countries, English at 3rd, very high if you compare how they are expected to perform:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27794636

TheDoc

TheDoc wrote: »

In fairness I think the heat is coming from the UK public and press. With the performance of Liverpool this year, they are making the stupid assumption that form is everything going into a tournament.

The reason I say it's stupid, is because if Hodgson gave them what they want hed go with a front three of Sterling, Lallana and Strurridge. About 10 caps combined between them, no real competitive experience at international level, would most likely flounder and I'm sure he would get berated.

For all the various barren spells, and as Pro.F articulates well everytime and made me change my mind, Rooney is a top quality striker with bags of experience. Unless he is a complete donkey in the first game, you should be palying him.

I'd also go as far as saying he should be up front and central, playing second fiddle to no one. But obviously any logic will be completely out the window because of the Liverpool fanfare and people focusing on the goals scored by Sturridge, completely disregarding who he had playing alongside him.

Meh I'm not English so don't care, but if I was, I'd be argueing for Rooney up front and central, doing nothing else.

Sturridge has played well on the right already but he can be selfish and has shown that this season at times.
Welbeck has proved that he can cause problems for RB when running at pace, this give Rooney the best opportunity in the Centre.
Leave Gerard playing the deep lying role and keep him out of Henderson / Lalanna's way and England could do well, I find Gerard undermines what Henderson has the ability to do when he get's too far forward.

Maximus Alexander

fitze69 wrote: »

Interesting read based on values of countries, English at 3rd, very high if you compare how they are expected to perform:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27794636

Very interesting. As clear as sign as you'll ever see that the "English Player Tax" is a real phenomenon that doesn't seem to exist in other countries.

ericzeking

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

People always seem to bring up his performance, but personally, I feel he achieved the minimum a player should when a team the stature of United is built completely around him. He was pretty much the center point of all our attacks, with the ball constantly going through him, and often players were played out of position to accommodate him. Of course he then got goals and assists.

But that doesn't mean he should be who the team should be built around, and doesn't mean it shouldn't be questioned as to his ability when he plays the supporting role. I'd personally much prefer to see RVP with Mata or Kagawa behind him than Rooney.

I agree with you almost completely...I'd have Rooney up top with Matagawa behind though...I don't think RVP tried a leg for us last year, he scored a few alright but his overall demeanour was of disinterest.

The team was built around him (WR) yes and I agree he had little more than a very decent season but I'm defending him from the point of view that guys are slating him about wages, team ethic, captaincy credentials etc....I thought he showed excellent application at such a difficult time, many just threw it in.

Backstreet Moyes

I can see Wellbeck starting on the left against Italy. Hodgson would have seen how well he has done in that role in big games for United. I expect Wellbeck Rooney and Sturridge from the right.

MagicMarker

I can't wait to see how Rooney gets on in the World Cup. He always seems to be going into them with an injury and not match fit.

He looks in great shape at the minute though and from his interview seems to be seriously up for it. Would love for him to silence a few critics.

Backstreet Moyes

ericzeking wrote: »

I agree with you almost completely...I'd have Rooney up top with Matagawa behind though...I don't think RVP tried a leg for us last year, he scored a few alright but his overall demeanour was of disinterest.

The team was built around him (WR) yes and I agree he had little more than a very decent season but I'm defending him from the point of view that guys are slating him about wages, team ethic, captaincy credentials etc....I thought he showed excellent application at such a difficult time, many just threw it in.

Very few players put in 100% last season. The standouts for me were DDG, Wellbeck and Rooney.

Leroy42

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Very interesting. As clear as sign as you'll ever see that the "English Player Tax" is a real phenomenon that doesn't seem to exist in other countries.

It is also a very serious inditement of the FA that given their financial muscle their national team continues to perform well below the standard that it should given the money.

While of course the FA is seperate from the Prem League, England should be seeing the benefits of such a sustained position of the league and the wealth of overseas players and coaches.

The fact that the English FA would probably be happy enough with QF is a poor result. Even taken the payers worth out of it, they have the rsources to have the best kits, set-up, coaches (the people not the busses) etc that should be giving them a significant advantage.

MagicMarker

MagicMarker wrote: »

I can't wait to see how Rooney gets on in the World Cup. He always seems to be going into them with an injury and not match fit.

He looks in great shape at the minute though and from his interview seems to be seriously up for it. Would love for him to silence a few critics.

If he performs he might make LVG think twice about the captaincy, think this WC could be critical for his future at Man Utd.

TheDoc

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Sturridge has played well on the right already but he can be selfish and has shown that this season at times.
Welbeck has proved that he can cause problems for RB when running at pace, this give Rooney the best opportunity in the Centre.
Leave Gerard playing the deep lying role and keep him out of Henderson / Lalanna's way and England could do well, I find Gerard undermines what Henderson has the ability to do when he get's too far forward.

You know for all Rooney's stunts over the seasons, I'd actually probably have backed his corner, if he made a real stand against being played out of position.

Jesus I remember at 17 I kicked up a **** storm being played out of position. I just don't think he's good enough and it's not utilising his strengths. He should be played as a striker in my opinion.

Leroy42

I actually think Rooney will have a good worldcup. The team is better than in the past, more pace around him and he can then focus on his own game rather than having to chase (and fail) to catch Pirlo.

TheDoc

MagicMarker wrote: »

I can't wait to see how Rooney gets on in the World Cup. He always seems to be going into them with an injury and not match fit.

He looks in great shape at the minute though and from his interview seems to be seriously up for it. Would love for him to silence a few critics.

All the talk is "is Hodgson brave enough to drop him".

I think the big question is "Is Hodgson brave enough to ignore the stupid commentary, and play his best player in his best position"

It's for me like Argentina throwing Messi out of position to accomodate Di Maria. Sure, Di Maria has had a good season, a strong finish. But there is no questioning who is the stronger player and who should be making way for who.

TheDoc

TheDoc wrote: »

You know for all Rooney's stunts over the seasons, I'd actually probably have backed his corner, if he made a real stand against being played out of position.

Jesus I remember at 17 I kicked up a **** storm being played out of position. I just don't think he's good enough and it's not utilising his strengths. He should be played as a striker in my opinion.

This is what I mean but not sure how it works playing a 4-3-3 as in Rooney as striker with Welbeck and Sturridge behind on the left / right.

I have mentioned before the excellent season he had for us a couple of years back when Fergie played him up front, think he was in the 30+ zone. Scored an immense amount of headers to note.

Baines / Shaw could provide the width / crossing for ^^^

glued

TheDoc wrote: »

All the talk is "is Hodgson brave enough to drop him".

I think the big question is "Is Hodgson brave enough to ignore the stupid commentary, and play his best player in his best position"

It's for me like Argentina throwing Messi out of position to accomodate Di Maria. Sure, Di Maria has had a good season, a strong finish. But there is no questioning who is the stronger player and who should be making way for who.

I agree with the first bit although the second bit is a bit incorrect as Di Maria has played his best stuff in a midfield three and has been Argentina and Real Madrid's best player doing that IMO.

Cantona's Collars

Any more word on Carvalho? He had a 98% pass success against Ireland,the only pass he missed was a through ball to Ronaldo.

TheTownie

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"Ideally, I want to play until I'm 40 - maybe I can even stretch that to 42 - but that's what I want because this is what I love doing and it's what I've done my whole life."