Some people shouldn't be allowed have kids.

Reformed Character · 12-06-2014 09:19AM #1

The older I get the more I despair of some in this society.
I felt nauseous reading this story, not only because the list of convictions for violence but also because of how she abused the poor child.
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/mum-of-toddler-found-with-beer-had-multiple-convictions-30348321.html
The 25-year-old woman was jailed for eight months for child cruelty and a further five months for possessing a flick-knife that was concealed in her bra.In June last year gardai found her two-year-old son sitting in a wet nappy, with a six-pack of beer between his legs and complaining of being hungry, after stopping a car at 11.45pm going the wrong way up a one-way street in a popular seaside town. Listowel District Court sitting heard the child was wearing only shorts and socks and was visibly sunburnt.
In March, she was jailed for five months for stealing a woman's handbag.During her arrest, she assaulted two gardai.Just days before that she received a suspended four-month sentence after she pleaded guilty to possession of a knife inside a courthouse.On the same day she was also jailed for theft while a charge for possessing drugs and other theft offences were taken into account.
What chance does that poor child have around her, other than grow up to be skanger like his skanger mammy!

mickydoomsux · 12-06-2014 09:26AM

Of course she's from Limerick city.

Banjo String · 12-06-2014 09:27AM

We were thinking of rescuing a dog a while back, the amount of paperwork and people that came out to the home to 'vett' us was unreal (though understandable considering what the poor dogs Prob went through already)

You need a license to keep a dog, and a tv (among many other things).

It is a sad fact that certain people should be denied the rights of parenthood.

keano_afc · 12-06-2014 09:40AM

Nice to see the stiff sentences she received put her off continuing on her current path of crime.

kylith · 12-06-2014 09:44AM

I see some people speaking to their kids like you wouldn't speak to your worst enemy; effing and blinding at them. What chance do those kids have when they grow up with such hostility, thinking that their own parents hate them? It makes me so sad.

homerjay2005 · 12-06-2014 09:46AM

as they said, you need a licence to have a dog, but anybody is allowed to have children.

folan · 12-06-2014 09:46AM

how do you deny this right? forced sterilization? forced abortion? confiscating children from their birth parents after delivery?

in come countries, people arent allowed have more than 1 kid. Consider yourself lucky no one is sticking their nose into your womb!

you have a problem with bad parents, then report them. there are services dedicated to making sure children are not abused.

suicide_circus · 12-06-2014 09:47AM

Poor little fella, hope he is put into care with a stable loving family.

Plazaman · 12-06-2014 09:49AM

Poor wee lad, the first years of a childs life are crucial where they absorb everything from language to social skills to moral imperatives.

How has he a chance when all he knows or learned from his mother is drinking and crime which he'll probably think is the norm and so the cycle continues. Hopefully his grandparents can readjust him to a normal life so that he doesn't end up another scumbag.

Pumpkinseeds · 12-06-2014 09:50AM

I keep coming across stories in the media of parents who are repeat offenders with chronic alcoholic/drug addiction using their addiction and the fact that they are the sole parent in a family to avoid jail. I honestly don't know how a child or children being left in an environment where their sole guardian is unable to take care of themselves let alone a child.

Leaving a child in that kind of environment is depriving a child of the opportunity to make something of their lives. I think those kids should be taken away from the parent/parents and it should be down to the parents to clean up their acts and prove that they can provide a stable safe environment for their kids.

Pizzle · 12-06-2014 09:50AM

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Of course she's from Limerick city.

Yeah, of course. Not like it could happen in any other city.

westcoast66 · 12-06-2014 09:52AM

My solution: Vasectomies all boys at the age of 12.

Reverse the operation on request when the couple choose to have a child. Vasectomise the man again when the woman is giving birth.

KTRIC · 12-06-2014 09:56AM

I know, take the kids off them and put them in a home somewhere in the West. A good upbringing by a couple of nuns and they'll be on the straight and narrow in no time. Sure whats the worst that could happen.....

Tilly · 12-06-2014 09:57AM

I'm not a huge fan of kids but she is fúcking disgusting. She should have been locked up for longer. Scummy knacker!

SterlingArcher · 12-06-2014 09:58AM

Pizzle wrote: »

Yeah, of course. Not like it could happen in any other city.

Phew ,thank god It's just contained to that urine soaked heck hole. They should build a wall around that place, and have a hunger games.

nc19 · 12-06-2014 09:59AM

Plazaman wrote: »

Poor wee lad, the first years of a childs life are crucial where they absorb everything from language to social skills to moral imperatives.

How has he a chance when all he knows or learned from his mother is drinking and crime which he'll probably think is the norm and so the cycle continues. Hopefully his grandparents can readjust him to a normal life so that he doesn't end up another scumbag.

Where do you think the mother got it from?

folan · 12-06-2014 10:06AM

westcoast66 wrote: »

My solution: Vasectomies all boys at the age of 12.

orlds youngest dad was 11 afaik.

never mind the dangers

Reformed Character · 12-06-2014 10:06AM

folan wrote: »

how do you deny this right? forced sterilization? forced abortion? confiscating children from their birth parents after delivery?

in come countries, people arent allowed have more than 1 kid. Consider yourself lucky no one is sticking their nose into your womb!

you have a problem with bad parents, then report them. there are services dedicated to making sure children are not abused.

Remove them from their parents and allow them to be adopted for their own good without the consent of their skanger parent/s.

Neyite · 12-06-2014 10:06AM

KTRIC wrote: »

I know, take the kids off them and put them in a home somewhere in the West. A good upbringing by a couple of nuns and they'll be on the straight and narrow in no time. Sure whats the worst that could happen.....

Maybe they could do a bit of washing to help out too. Earn their keep like.

hoodwinked · 12-06-2014 10:08AM

Banjo String wrote: »

We were thinking of rescuing a dog a while back, the amount of paperwork and people that came out to the home to 'vett' us was unreal (though understandable considering what the poor dogs Prob went through already)

You need a license to keep a dog, and a tv (among many other things).

It is a sad fact that certain people should be denied the rights of parenthood.

i've heard the paper work to adopt is as if not more intense,

but you cannot stop people from having children as nobody can really judge who or what will make a good parent,

there are as many people who would think they would be terrible parents and as soon as the look into the eyes of their baby are changed forever. there are others who genuinely couldn't give two ****s about their child yet to the public eye are the most kind and doting parent.
and then there are cases like the op, where it's apparent to everybody they are a ****e parent.

so how would you go about assessing or regulating the different types of parenting?

Dr Turk Turkelton · 12-06-2014 10:09AM

westcoast66 wrote: »

My solution: Vasectomies all boys at the age of 12.

Reverse the operation on request when the couple choose to have a child. Vasectomise the man again when the woman is giving birth.

Is that not a bit sexist?
Why not get all the 12 year old girls tubes tied as well and then no one can complain?

rubberdiddies · 12-06-2014 10:11AM

keano_afc wrote: »

Nice to see the stiff sentences she received put her off continuing on her current path of crime.

it seems to me that judges really don't want to jail women.

I believe there are officially only 105 prison spaces in Ireland for women. This may have something to do with it!

Reformed Character · 12-06-2014 10:12AM

KTRIC wrote: »

I know, take the kids off them and put them in a home somewhere in the West. A good upbringing by a couple of nuns and they'll be on the straight and narrow in no time. Sure whats the worst that could happen.....

Piss poor attempt D- , must try harder!

caustic 1 · 12-06-2014 10:13AM

I pity the vast majority of people from Limerick being tarred with the scummy brush every time something bad happens. There are people like this in every city, town and townland in the country.

Maximus Alexander · 12-06-2014 10:14AM

Eugenics has been tried before OP, it didn't go down so well.

12-06-2014 10:15AM

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

I keep coming across stories in the media of parents who are repeat offenders with chronic alcoholic/drug addiction using their addiction and the fact that they are the sole parent in a family to avoid jail. I honestly don't know how a child or children being left in an environment where their sole guardian is unable to take care of themselves let alone a child.

Leaving a child in that kind of environment is depriving a child of the opportunity to make something of their lives. I think those kids should be taken away from the parent/parents and it should be down to the parents to clean up their acts and prove that they can provide a stable safe environment for their kids.

On the one hand, it sounds like a good idea
On the other hand, you give people the power to take kids away and you get this
http://wgntv.com/2014/06/11/dad-nj-threatens-to-take-away-son-after-pencil-twirling-incident/

hoodwinked · 12-06-2014 10:16AM

caustic 1 wrote: »

I pity the vast majority of people from Limerick being tarred with the scummy brush every time something bad happens. There are people like this in every city, town and townland in the country.

yup i know parents worse than the op, and they live in one of the "posh" suburbs in Cork.

mickydoomsux · 12-06-2014 10:16AM

caustic 1 wrote: »

I pity the vast majority of people from Limerick being tarred with the scummy brush every time something bad happens. There are people like this in every city, town and townland in the country.

There's proportionately a lot more in Limerick city though. That's why it's a kip.

MarkR · 12-06-2014 10:19AM

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Of course she's from Limerick city.

Pfft. She was surrounded by Kerry people. When in Rome...

Thank the flying spaghetti monster nothing bad ever happened round your way. Ever.

Neyite · 12-06-2014 10:21AM

But people are still reluctant to call social services when they see the child in their estate who is verbally and physically abused, showing obvious signs of neglect.

They dont want to be seen to be 'nosy' or interfering. So it takes a random traffic stop to discover a badly sunburnt, hungry baby being driven around by a knife wielding drunk at 11pm for anything to happen.

How many more times before this did he go hungry? Was playing out on the street way past bedtime? Where there was a party going on in his house? Where he was inappropriately clothed for the weather? Neighbours must have seen something, or known that there were issues.

If I neglected my baby even once, its once too often, and I'd have no-one to blame but myself if social services turned up on my doorstep. Parenting is a priviledge, not a right.

daheff · 12-06-2014 10:23AM

Banjo String wrote: »

You need a license to keep a dog, and a tv (among many other things).

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homerjay2005 wrote: »

as they said, you need a licence to have a dog, but anybody is allowed to have children.

Ah this is the most ridiculous argument I've ever heard (i think theres another thread in AH I should post this in also

). Any eejit can get a dog license (or a tv license)...all you have to do is pay for it...its more a tax than a license.

Back to the topic....the state should do more to protect children who have parents like that. Isnt that why we have social workers??

Some people shouldn't be allowed have kids.

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