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Looks like Revenue are in a spot of bother

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  • #152
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,696 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    What are you talking about ? There is no evidence whatsoever that Ireland has broken any EU Tax Regulations.
    This is all a big blowhard attempt to intimidate Ireland into agreeing to raise our taxes to match those in Germany and France.
    Kenny has dug in his heels and said no way. Rightly.

    We are a small island on the periphery of Europe, no big oil or natural resources to extract and unfortunately we arent a small country with a massive ppulation in the centre of europe like France or Germany with all the benefits it brings, like having had the population and demand for massive industries back in the 1700,1800 and 1900's, huge amounts of whom are household names today. The corporation tax is critical to us, its one thing they can go whistle for and Id make no apologies for it... They have taken us for all they can, enough is enough. They will never get the corporation tax anyway, no government would ever give it up, they would probably be more likely to give a naive blanket bank guarantee again than interfere with corporation tax...


  • #153
    Piliger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,741 ✭✭✭Piliger


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    They have taken us for all they can, enough is enough.

    I was cheering you on until I got to this bizarre bit ...


  • #154
    syklops
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,966 ✭✭✭✭syklops


    Hootanany wrote: »
    But we are emigrating in droves.

    In 2014, if you are skilled in IT, and emigrating, then you're an idiot.


  • #155
    Son Of A Vidic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    This whole corporation tax business is f*cking ridiculous. If other countries for one reason or another can't compete with Ireland, tough sh!t - there are plenty of strings countries like Germany pull with regard to the ECB which Irish people would love to do something about but we can't. This is something we have control over which they don't, so unless they want to compromise on bank debt and bondholders, they can f*ck right off.

    And with that in mind, the Government should now finally grow a pair and announce a reduction in CT to 8%.


  • #156
    Piliger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,741 ✭✭✭Piliger


    Corvus Maximus wrote: »
    And with that in mind, the Government should now finally grow a pair and announce a reduction in CT to 8%.

    Baffling logic.


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  • #157
    Piliger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,741 ✭✭✭Piliger


    syklops wrote: »
    In 2014, if you are skilled in IT, and emigrating, then you're an idiot.

    2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013 too.


  • #158
    FURET
    Closed Accounts Posts: 685 ✭✭✭FURET


    syklops wrote: »
    In 2014, if you are skilled in IT, and emigrating, then you're an idiot.

    LOL - what if you're emigrating because you can get an IT job abroad that pays 250% higher?


  • #159
    andrewdeerpark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 951 ✭✭✭andrewdeerpark


    Back on topic this story is really starting to take off, 2nd on the BBC website now, more than likely be close to the top of the BBC news tonight:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/business-27788238

    The key line being:

    "The Irish arrangement allowed Apple to pay just 1.9% tax on its $37bn in overseas profits in 2012, despite the fact the average tax rate in the OECD countries that make up its main markets was 24% last year"

    As I said absolutely taking the p**s. About time these shady tax practices were brought to light and closed off.


  • #160
    Piliger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,741 ✭✭✭Piliger


    andrewdeerpark wrote: »
    Back on topic this story is really starting to take off, 2nd on the BBC website now, more than likely be close to the top of the BBC news tonight:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/business-27788238

    The key line being:

    "The Irish arrangement allowed Apple to pay just 1.9% tax on its $37bn in overseas profits in 2012, despite the fact the average tax rate in the OECD countries that make up its main markets was 24% last year"

    As I said absolutely taking the p**s. About time these shady tax practices were brought to light and closed off.

    Media speculation. Convenient anti EU and anti Irish BBC crapology.

    The proof is in the eating, so I'll wait for the people who actually examine what the reality on the grind is before I engage my 'outrage' gear.


  • #161
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Piliger wrote: »
    Media speculation. Convenient anti EU and anti Irish BBC crapology.

    Same line of defense used by Sepp Blatter.


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  • #162
    Piliger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,741 ✭✭✭Piliger


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    Same line of defense used by Sepp Blatter.
    And the Birmingham Six ... so ?


  • #163
    Valetta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭Valetta


    andrewdeerpark wrote: »
    Back on topic this story is really starting to take off, 2nd on the BBC website now, more than likely be close to the top of the BBC news tonight:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/business-27788238

    The key line being:

    "The Irish arrangement allowed Apple to pay just 1.9% tax on its $37bn in overseas profits in 2012, despite the fact the average tax rate in the OECD countries that make up its main markets was 24% last year"

    As I said absolutely taking the p**s. About time these shady tax practices were brought to light and closed off.

    Why, exactly are you outraged?


  • #164
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Piliger wrote: »
    And the Birmingham Six ... so ?

    So, err, it's bollocks.

    The eu investigates three European countries tax arrangements and because you don't like it you cry racist. It's nothing of the sort, it's part of a consolidated effort by a number of countries to close tax loop holes. It's not, in any way, shape or form, the BBC being anti eu or anti Irish.


  • #165
    Piliger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,741 ✭✭✭Piliger


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    So, err, it's bollocks.

    The eu investigates three European countries tax arrangements and because you don't like it you cry racist. It's nothing of the sort, it's part of a consolidated effort by a number of countries to close tax loop holes. It's not, in any way, shape or form, the BBC being anti eu or anti Irish.

    Where did I "cry racism" ??

    And it is anti EU and anti Irish BBC crapology.


  • #166
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 55,896 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    andrewdeerpark wrote: »
    Back on topic this story is really starting to take off, 2nd on the BBC website now, more than likely be close to the top of the BBC news tonight:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/business-27788238

    The key line being:

    "The Irish arrangement allowed Apple to pay just 1.9% tax on its $37bn in overseas profits in 2012, despite the fact the average tax rate in the OECD countries that make up its main markets was 24% last year"

    As I said absolutely taking the p**s. About time these shady tax practices were brought to light and closed off.
    Nothing shady about it. There's nothing to close off.

    And the story isn't really "taking off".

    The average tax rate is irrelevant. In Ireland we have low corporation tax as it's all we have to attract business and investment. Of course we're way below average - if we were average we'd be screwed!

    The EU don't like Ireland using tax incentives to attract major investment. For some really baffling reason some people in Ireland seem to be against major international investment too.


  • #167
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    awec wrote: »
    Nothing shady about it. There's nothing to close off.

    And the story isn't really "taking off".

    The average tax rate is irrelevant. In Ireland we have low corporation tax as it's all we have to attract business and investment. Of course we're way below average - if we were average we'd be screwed!

    The EU don't like Ireland using tax incentives to attract major investment. For some really baffling reason some people in Ireland seem to be against major international investment too.

    What about Irish companies owning patents that can be used to avail of massive tax write-offs ?


  • #168
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Piliger wrote: »
    Where did I "cry racism" ??

    And it is anti EU and anti Irish BBC crapology.

    Metaphorically, you just did again.


  • #169
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 55,896 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    What about Irish companies owning patents that can be used to avail of massive tax write-offs ?

    What's shady about that? It's pretty well publicised and is yet another incentive for attracting business here.


  • #170
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,460 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    I assume the posters in this thread against the tax incentives for Multinationals in Ireland are not actually from Ireland?

    Because I cannot comprehend why an Irish person would want to get rid of these. People from other countries being against it makes sense, as it gives Ireland an advantage...but I do not understand why any Irish person would be against these incentives.

    Any Irish people look to get rid of these incentives and increase CT is basically hoping one of the main drivers of the Irish economy collapses.

    I don't get it.


  • #171
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    awec wrote: »
    Nothing shady about it. There's nothing to close off.

    And the story isn't really "taking off".

    The average tax rate is irrelevant. In Ireland we have low corporation tax as it's all we have to attract business and investment. Of course we're way below average - if we were average we'd be screwed!

    The EU don't like Ireland using tax incentives to attract major investment. For some really baffling reason some people in Ireland seem to be against major international investment too.

    In a lot of cases though, it isn't massive investment, it is paper companies with few or no employees. It makes GDP look good, but doesn't do that much for the overall economy.

    If these arrangements were closed and the companies forced to pay the actual tax rate, Ireland would still be a beneficial place for them, because it has a low tax rate. The trick is to make sure all these loopholes are closed at the same time so there is nowhere for these companies to go.


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  • #172
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 55,896 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    In a lot of cases though, it isn't massive investment, it is paper companies with few or no employees. It makes GDP look good, but doesn't do that much for the overall economy.

    If these arrangements were closed and the companies forced to pay the actual tax rate, Ireland would still be a beneficial place for them, because it has a low tax rate. The trick is to make sure all these loopholes are closed at the same time so there is nowhere for these companies to go.

    If you kill off the incentives then obviously costs go up.

    Where do you think the subsequent savings would come from?

    Do you think killing the incentives is going to have a prolonged benefit to Revenue's bottom line?


  • #173
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    awec wrote: »
    What's shady about that? It's pretty well publicised and is yet another incentive for attracting business here.

    Yeah odd that said R&D is done in another country, Then the patent passed to the one here to avail of R&D tax breaks... Is the R&D not supposed to be done here.


  • #174
    andrewdeerpark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 951 ✭✭✭andrewdeerpark


    Piliger wrote: »
    Where did I "cry racism" ??

    And it is anti EU and anti Irish BBC crapology.

    It was the US senate outrage started the whole ball rolling; anti-Irish their as well I suppose?


  • #175
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 55,896 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Yeah odd that said R&D is done in another country, Then the patent passed to the one here to avail of R&D tax breaks... Is the R&D not supposed to be done here.

    No, the work that leads to the patent needs to be done in the european economic area in order to qualify for the tax incentives on the income of that patent.

    If you want to claim R+D incentives then the work needs to be done in Ireland.


  • #176
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    awec wrote: »
    No, the work that leads to the patent needs to be done in the european economic area in order to qualify for the tax incentives on the income of that patent.

    If you want to claim R+D incentives then the work needs to be done in Ireland.

    That's not what is happening though, One brass plate here holds a lot of one companies patents using this.


  • #177
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 55,896 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    That's not what is happening though, One brass plate here holds a lot of one companies patents using this.

    Using what?


  • #178
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    awec wrote: »
    Using what?

    The tax breaks on R&D


  • #179
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    awec wrote: »
    If you kill off the incentives then obviously costs go up.

    Where do you think the subsequent savings would come from?

    Do you think killing the incentives is going to have a prolonged benefit to Revenue's bottom line?

    Ireland is in a catch 22 situation. It needs these companies to be paying more tax, but also needs these companies more than they need Ireland.

    If the bigger countries, or better still the eu, tackles this, Ireland should do very nicely out of it. It can claim more tax whilst effectively holding its hands in the air and claiming it's not our fault. If the eu does it in such a way as to bring competition down to the basic tax rate, Ireland should be quids in.


  • #180
    Piliger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,741 ✭✭✭Piliger


    andrewdeerpark wrote: »
    It was the US senate outrage started the whole ball rolling; anti-Irish their as well I suppose?

    Why do you suppose that ? Other than just trying to belittle other people's opinion ?


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  • #181
    andrewdeerpark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 951 ✭✭✭andrewdeerpark


    Piliger wrote: »
    Why do you suppose that ? Other than just trying to belittle other people's opinion ?

    Not in the least, just individuals taking the tone its the EU picking on poor olde Ireland; instead what we have is corporations exploiting globalization, the free trade blocks, relative free movement of capital and playing countries off against each other all in order to pay a miniscule amount of tax on exorbitant profits.


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