Liverpool Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread Summer 2014 - Mod Warning post #6893

BeepBeep67 wrote: »

Anyone know where the LFC thread has gone? :pac:

It was abandoned in may.

This is the Panda appreciation and the 'we hate Wayne Rooney' fan club.

Ah feck not maths

Where's Glenjo when you need him?

gimli2112 wrote: »

or Paul and his Suarez to Arsenal goal differential calculations.

Oh lord that was painful

gimli2112 wrote: »

Ah feck not maths

:pac:

What was the great Maths debate in here a while back? It didn't make any sense if that narrows it down

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Looks like there are quite a few fringe players on the way out either on loan or sale if the right offer comes in.

Suso,Yesil, Alberto, Aspas, Assaidi, Coady and Robinson names linked in the Echo.

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Feel sorry for Yesil. Two bad injuries at such a young age, the odds are against him.

D'Agger wrote: »

Thought he was only being linked with a loan to Turkey rather than a sale

Yeah he is.....but my comment is just in general. He did his cruciate ligament twice. That can often be a career ending injury so to have it twice before you career even starts cant be good.

I'd say that's spot on Mike. I wonder if a higher-up club would look at Coady, he had a great second half to the season.
Yesil on loan in Turkey is a good move allround.
I think Aspas may go on loan in Spain, wouldn't get much for him now, maybe get more after a season playing regularly.

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

They've spent two years barely staving off relegation by leaning heavily on the performances of one or two key players. They've looked utterly hapless at times and most certainly in need of more quality and experience. Players in their early twenties aren't always good and players in their thirties aren't always bad. The correct strategy is a winning one.

Going young and cheap with on sale value is much more likely to work when Gerrard and Suarez are already in your team and you aren't leaving yourself depending on Ciaran Clarke at Center half. They needed an amendment in their approach.

Also, Ellis sold to Lerner in 2006.

Young and cheap is always a problem, no matter what team you're buying them for.

You don't get value from young players because they cost way less than their more experienced counterparts (Allen and Henderson for example).
You get value because you're paying in the same ballpark but for (ideally) a longer stay at the club and, at the end of a normal contract, they'll be in their prime and worth at least some money.

The age of the players they're buying isn't the problem. The calibre is.

With the exception of Benteke, they've had a turnover of terrible players in and out for the past few seasons and have spent **** all.

Really, they should be in the top 10 wealthiest clubs in Britain, but their spending certainly doesn't reflect that.

I had pretty much the same list as the Echo. Had a feeling that we would be looking to give Borini another shot given his Sunderland heorics. Hanging onto Borini will mean there's no place for Suso, which is a shame.

Suso - looks all but certain to go given that his demand for regular football just cannot be met. Given his profile though, we should at least be able to get decent enough money for him. You'd be thinking perhaps £4-5 million even with his contract running down.
Yesil - Trabzonspor is a good move for him. If he gets games, he will get chances and this league should prove a good staging ground as to whether he can make it. Hopefully we won't be giving them an option to buy. I wouldn't be too hopeful though, those two ACL's have probably wrecked his chance at making it at the highest level.
Alberto - who knows where he'll end up, but he looks out of Rodgers plans. We'd be doing well to get half the £6M we spent on him back.
Aspas - will only be wanted in Spain you'd think, and most of the interested clubs there are probably bankrupt. We'd be lucky to get half the £8 million we spent on him.
Assaidi - given his age and what he's shown, I'd say we should be able to get £4 million or so for him.
Coady - can't see anyone paying anything beyond a small 6 figure sum for him.
Robinson - proven Championship player, probably worth about half a million

Francie Barrett wrote: »

I had pretty much the same list as the Echo. Had a feeling that we would be looking to give Borini another shot given his Sunderland heorics. Hanging onto Borini will mean there's no place for Suso, which is a shame.

Suso - looks all but certain to go given that his demand for regular football just cannot be met. Given his profile though, we should at least be able to get decent enough money for him. You'd be thinking perhaps £4-5 million even with his contract running down.
Yesil - Trabzonspor is a good move for him. If he gets games, he will get chances and this league should prove a good staging ground as to whether he can make it. Hopefully we won't be giving them an option to buy. I wouldn't be too hopeful though, those two ACL's have probably wrecked his chance at making it at the highest level.
Alberto - who knows where he'll end up, but he looks out of Rodgers plans. We'd be doing well to get half the £6M we spent on him back.
Aspas - will only be wanted in Spain you'd think, and most of the interested clubs there are probably bankrupt. We'd be lucky to get half the £8 million we spent on him.
Assaidi - given his age and what he's shown, I'd say we should be able to get £4 million or so for him.
Coady - can't see anyone paying anything beyond a small 6 figure sum for him.
Robinson - proven Championship player, probably worth about half a million

Think given the financial situation in Spain Alberto/Aspas would be better used as bargaining chips in bids for players

whatawaster wrote: »

Young, cheap players is a great market to shop in. Wouldn't be relying on them to carry your team, but remember that:

Suarez cost Groningen £800K at 19 and then Ajax €7.5 million aged 20.
Ozil moved to Werder Bremen at 20 for €4.3m
Van Persie cost £2.75m at the age of 21

There's great value in signing young players before they make their big breakthrough

They're very much in the minority though.

If you rely on that model you'll end up with 1 Suarez and 50 piles of ****.

For a club to rely on it, especially in a league with the quality of the PL is suicide.