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Cork County council to reduce property tax by 15%

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  • #32
    Banjo String
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    dj jarvis wrote: »
    funniest thing i have read in ages ;)

    Whats funny about it :confused: the Govt themselves introduced the 15% increase or decrease allowance.
    Under the property tax law, councils will have the power to increase or decrease the local rate by up to 15pc depending upon their financial position.

    If councils feel they can manage their budgets, they can cut the property tax to be paid by homeowners in the local authority area.

    However, if the council needs more money to balance the books, it can increase the rate.

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/most-homeowners-feel-property-tax-rates-will-rise-next-year-30339031.html
    dj jarvis wrote: »
    yea SF , the ONLY political party that will keep its promises - EVER !!!
    oh yea shinbots are in for a rude awakening , they are as useless as all the others - politics and politicians are corrupt , but dont believe me , look at history , and come back to me next election , we shall see how many of the promises they have kept

    You were doing so well.


  • #33
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    dj jarvis wrote: »
    they do , its included in the overall tax thy pay , why do all shinners ignore reality !!!

    Oh yea , i understand now :p

    Well someone should tell that to Westminster who attempted to introduce the charges earlier this year.

    Besides. If water charges are included in rates, that just further highlights the value for money in domestic rates compared to the lpt.

    You didn't think that one through really. Did you?


  • #34
    fleet_admiral
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    didnt the shinners say they would abolish it, not 'cut' it


  • #35
    SEPT 23 1989
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    Sure just whack another 15% increase in rates on those evil capitalist small business owners to make up the difference


  • #36
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    I love economics that goes on in this thread. Take away 15% where will we find another ect. We don't know that there is a 15% shortfall. They have eliminated waste in the council itself for all we know.


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  • #37
    dj jarvis
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    Banjo String wrote: »
    Well someone should tell that to Westminster who attempted to introduce the charges earlier this year.

    Besides. If water charges are included in rates, that just further highlights the value for money in domestic rates compared to the lpt.

    You didn't think that one through really. Did you?

    oh yes i did - you see , you can ignore the fact , that in the end , the good folk up north ARE PAYING FOR THEIR WATER , and i never said LPT was value for money

    again , SF supporters , bending reality to make it fit their agenda

    so , can you fill me in on how SF are going to be the only political party , globally , in history , to reduce taxes , increase services and service the crippling national debt ???

    Cloud cuckoo land , and i would be saying the very same to a FF , FG or LAB supporter ,
    i think people like to forget we are tied into the fiscal compact , you should read up on it , its great !!! , its not 2 more budgets of austerity , it FOREVER !!!!!!

    oh , wait , SF is going to tax the rich LOL - like the rich have ever paid for anything - but i suppose they can get there old leg breaking equipment out , so they can collect the vast wealth from the rich ( who by the way , PAY THE MOST TAX ALREADY )

    laughable !!!


  • #38
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    dj jarvis wrote: »
    oh yes i did - you see , you can ignore the fact , that in the end , the good folk up north ARE PAYING FOR THEIR WATER , and i never said LPT was value for money

    Pointless circular argument. We're also already paying for water. (Unless it hasn't been funded by tax up until now?)
    dj jarvis wrote: »
    again , SF supporters , bending reality to make it fit their agenda
    No, the reality is they don't have separate water charges in the north. Let me know how this is confusing you? How am I bending facts to fit my agenda?
    dj jarvis wrote: »
    so , can you fill me in on how SF are going to be the only political party , globally , in history , to reduce taxes , increase services and service the crippling national debt ???

    I said that:confused:
    dj jarvis wrote: »
    Cloud cuckoo land , and i would be saying the very same to a FF , FG or LAB supporter ,
    i think people like to forget we are tied into the fiscal compact , you should read up on it , its great !!! , its not 2 more budgets of austerity , it FOREVER !!!!!!

    oh , wait , SF is going to tax the rich LOL - like the rich have ever paid for anything - but i suppose they can get there old leg breaking equipment out , so they can collect the vast wealth from the rich ( who by the way , PAY THE MOST TAX ALREADY )

    Mmmmm. You've stooped.
    dj jarvis wrote: »
    laughable !!!

    You said it DJ.

    You said it.


  • #39
    Guy:Incognito
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    If FF make up the majority, is it not them that reduced it by 15%?:)


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    They have eliminated waste in the council itself for all we know.

    I'd imagine a 15% reduction in the whole councils spending would be fairly obvious no? and if it isn't, why did it not form a large part of the news about it. Surely the savings are a point they would be pushing?


  • #40
    dj jarvis
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    Banjo String wrote: »
    Pointless circular argument. We're also already paying for water. (Unless it hasn't been funded by tax up until now?)

    No, the reality is they don't have separate water charges in the north. Let me know how this is confusing you? How am I bending facts to fit my agenda?


    I said that:confused:



    Mmmmm. You've stooped.




    You said it DJ.

    You said it.

    1: i never said we were not already paying for our water - im against water charges - again bending to fit , tut tut
    2:they pay for water up north , just like we do now , with taxes , its not for free , we are just going to be hit TWICE , does not change the fact that up north , they pay
    3:yes , with your rhetoric , you are alluding that they will solve all ills, "cat amounts the pigeons " , again fantasy land.
    4: i stooped ??? by pointing out the awful truth that not a decade ago , they were leg breaking a go go, truth hurts i suppose.


    and yes , i did say it , laughable , as laughable as it would be if you were a FF/FG/LAB supporter


  • #41
    No Pants
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    I think it should be possible in the major population centres of the country if they are allowed to keep the LPT collected in their area. The problem is that so much of it is then sent to Sligo, Donegal, Leitrim, etc.


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  • #42
    dj jarvis
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    fleet_admiral wrote: »
    didnt the shinners say they would abolish it, not 'cut' it

    no , they worded it in such a way , that if they dont do it , they can worm their way out of it , just like all the other useless crunts .

    they said the will abolish , if they are ABLE and CAN

    easy answer when they dont is , we could not
    cold reality will hit if they have to put a budget together , not so long ago the SF finance team came out of a meeting with the late Brian lennihan to cost their budget , after actually seeing the books , ashen faced they came from finance , quoting " we knew it was bad , but not that bad "
    blew ALL their costing out the window - and the books at the moment will present the same problems , a part of the governments plan is to push the national debt out for so long that inflation will solve the issue

    problem is , we are stagnant inflation wise, with the risk of deflation , while still paying the 6 billion a year in interest payments , they are playing a very dangerous game - SF could inherit all this

    so getting rid of water charges is not looking likely for the foreseeable future , how could they ?
    oh yea tax the rich ;)


  • #43
    gandalf
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    SF = the new FF


  • #44
    [Deleted User]
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    No Pants wrote: »
    I think it should be possible in the major population centres of the country if they are allowed to keep the LPT collected in their area. The problem is that so much of it is then sent to Sligo, Donegal, Leitrim, etc.

    What's wrong with sligo, donegal and leitrim?


  • #45
    No Pants
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    Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »
    What's wrong with sligo, donegal and leitrim?
    Nothing, but they are subsidised by Dublin and maybe Cork and others. If this subsidy stopped, Dublin at least could lower their rate by 15% at least.


  • #46
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    If FF make up the majority, is it not them that reduced it by 15%?:)





    I'd imagine a 15% reduction in the whole councils spending would be fairly obvious no? and if it isn't, why did it not form a large part of the news about it. Surely the savings are a point they would be pushing?

    I have no idea but they might yet make savings. I think they'll be more likely to make changes to the councils than long standing FF or FG council seat holders. A lot of the massive waste in Wicklow and Dublin CCs have been associated with cronyism.


  • #47
    dj jarvis
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    No Pants wrote: »
    Nothing, but they are subsidised by Dublin and maybe Cork and others. If this subsidy stopped, Dublin at least could lower their rate by 15% at least.

    but it does not work that way - one for all , all for one

    using that logic - Dublin should just leave the Republic and declare Independence , and Cork and Galway ect ect


  • #48
    dxhound2005
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    Grandstanding by Sinn Fein in the same way that they grandstanded by introducing two bills to the Oreachtas to abolish the Household Charge and then LPT. Knowing that neither had any chance of succeeding. This time they will be able to claim that the council can't implement the resolution when they cannot satisfy one or other of the conditions in the legislation. See Section 20 pages 19/20 here:

    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/pdf/2012/en.act.2012.0052.pdf

    They will then claim that is is central government which is standing in the way.

    They are in coalition in the North but they never even campaigned there for the abolition of property tax never mind introduce legislation.

    Expect the same grandstanding around the country.


  • #49
    Kermit.de.frog
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    First test of Sinn Féin's voodoo economics. Where are they going to make up the difference?


  • #50
    No Pants
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    dj jarvis wrote: »
    but it does not work that way - one for all , all for one

    using that logic - Dublin should just leave the Republic and declare Independence , and Cork and Galway ect ect
    I agree. I'm just saying that it's possible. Given how parochial Irish politics is and the recent run of independents, I'm sure it will be proposed.

    I'm not the only one that's thinking about this.


  • #51
    Rightwing
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    The councils rank along with Fas for the biggest waste of money. There is absolutely no need for water charges or property. Just cut the bonuses and perks.


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  • #52
    Banjo String
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    dj jarvis wrote: »
    1: i never said we were not already paying for our water - im against water charges - again bending to fit , tut tut
    Yeah, and never disputed that. Let's go back to what I actually did say and what you think you disputed.
    No water charges in the north. 

    Seriously. Why do the uniformed keep repeating this

    This is fact. There are no water charges in the north. Ie you do not get a charge/bill for water usage. I cannot make make this any clearer tbh. (bar make you a Venn diagram)
    dj jarvis wrote: »
    2:they pay for water up north , just like we do now , with taxes , its not for free , we are just going to be hit TWICE , does not change the fact that up north , they pay
    Again. Who said they don't? You're arguing with yourself tbh. :)
    dj jarvis wrote: »
    3:yes , with your rhetoric , you are alluding that they will solve all ills, "cat amounts the pigeons " , again fantasy land.
    The Cat among the pigeon ref is in relation to ending the wastage in the council's you know that.
    dj jarvis wrote: »
    4: i stooped ??? by pointing out the awful truth that not a decade ago , they were leg breaking a go go, truth hurts i suppose.
    Any source for these bold claims? I'm not aware of any stories of sinn fein breaking legs. But by all means, put up a link.
    dj jarvis wrote: »
    and yes , i did say it , laughable , as laughable as it would be if you were a FF/FG/LAB supporter
    When you start the old leg breaking spiel, it actually is laughable. That's when you start to lose an argument.


  • #53
    Kermit.de.frog
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    Rightwing wrote: »
    The councils rank along with Fas for the biggest waste of money. There is absolutely no need for water charges or property. Just cut the bonuses and perks.


    No matter how generous any perks are that would not come anywhere near the amount raised by a property tax. #fact :rolleyes:


  • #54
    Specialun
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    And they mock us cork folk

    Who are the whankers now eh


  • #55
    Rightwing
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    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    No matter how generous any perks are that would not come anywhere near the amount raised by a property tax. #fact :rolleyes:

    Only a few years ago the councils were giving days off to staff to go to the curragh for the races. Okay, it's a perk. Mightnt save a whole lot. However, the more intelligent amongst us wonder, is there need for half of these people in the councils if they get days off to go to races?....must be no work to be done

    Suddenly the savings become obvious to all, well nearly all. ;)


  • #56
    dxhound2005
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    CAHWT must be the most spectacularly unsucessful campaign of all time. After all their promises of mass pickets of courthouses and a high powered legal challenge to property tax what has happened. Nothing except some poor fools finished up out of pocket after swallowing their propoganda. And the rest who still believe it will finish up even worse off. Donegal is the only county with less than 90% compliance.

    http://www.revenue.ie/en/tax/lpt/lpt-stats-0414.pdf


  • #57
    dj jarvis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭dj jarvis


    Banjo String wrote: »
    Yeah, and never disputed that. Let's go back to what I actually did say and what you think you disputed.


    This is fact. There are no water charges in the north. Ie you do not get a charge/bill for water usage. I cannot make make this any clearer tbh. (bar make you a Venn diagram)

    Again. Who said they don't? You're arguing with yourself tbh. :)

    The Cat among the pigeon ref is in relation to ending the wastage in the council's you know that.

    Any source for these bold claims? I'm not aware of any stories of sinn fein breaking legs. But by all means, put up a link.

    When you start the old leg breaking spiel, it actually is laughable. That's when you start to lose an argument.

    LOL - you keep telling yourself that banjo ;)


  • #58
    Banjo String
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    dj jarvis wrote: »
    LOL - you keep telling yourself that banjo ;)


    When you only counter selected parts of posts......

    Thought as much. ;)


  • #59
    dj jarvis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭dj jarvis


    Banjo String wrote: »
    When you only counter selected parts of posts......

    Thought as much. ;)

    LOL - you keep telling yourself that banjo ;)


  • #60
    No Pants
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,346 ✭✭✭No Pants


    Banjo String wrote: »
    I'm not aware of any stories of sinn fein breaking legs.
    :pac:

    I thought this was supposed to be a serious thread.


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  • #61
    Banjo String
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    dj jarvis wrote: »
    LOL - you keep telling yourself that banjo ;)
    dj jarvis wrote: »
    LOL - you keep telling yourself that banjo ;)

    Someone's just ran out of argument I see. Not exactly a fine witty retort now. Is it?
    No Pants wrote: »
    :pac:

    I thought this was supposed to be a serious thread.

    Well no one seems to be posting any links. Maybe people are confusing Sinn Fein with some other group/groups?


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