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Ireland the most truly muslim country in the world like

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    tigger123
    Registered Users Posts: 4,464 ✭✭✭tigger123


    When I saw the headline I thought it was gonna be an extremist wind up merchant, but when you read what the guy is saying he's making an interesting point.


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    cml387
    Registered Users Posts: 8,398 ✭✭✭cml387


    I think we fall down on the no alcohol bit though.


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    circadian
    Registered Users Posts: 6,938 ✭✭✭circadian


    What about the corruption and the Church cover ups?


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    Potatoeman
    Registered Users Posts: 4,267 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    cml387 wrote: »
    I think we fall down on the no alcohol bit though.

    Only when we have had too much.


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    Tail Docker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    cml387 wrote: »
    I think we fall down on the no alcohol bit though.

    Not for want of people trying to ban it. ;) I was going to say at least we don't stone single mothers, but I do believe we even have that covered, metaphorically.


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    Matt_Trakker
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    A typically human trait, swapping one suffocating religion for another, been the way it's been since the first troll told his ape compatriot that stars had a hand in destiny.

    The only hope we have is to become like the Czech Rep and become completely atheist. Wonderful people the Czech, couldn't give a f$ck about f$ck all.


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    Lenin Skynard
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    When your study spits out results like this, you really need to re-examine your criteria.


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    Canis Lupus
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    cml387 wrote: »
    I think we fall down on the no alcohol bit though.

    And the tasty tasty pork and bacon.


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    comongethappy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭comongethappy


    I suppose a similar Christian index would place us similar.

    Ireland is very tolerant of faiths & the ideals they profess.


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    seamus
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    Hard to tell if it's a bit of "religion of peace" propaganda or a genuine academic thought experiment.

    Either way, it's not saying Ireland is Islamic or becoming Islamic or in any way enforces Sharia law. The study compared Islamic economic teachings to the economic laws and values in various countries and found that Ireland is the most aligned. It says nothing about social values, ethics, education, etc. It's just about economics.


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    osarusan
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    seamus wrote: »
    Hard to tell if it's a bit of "religion of peace" propaganda or a genuine academic thought experiment.

    Yeah, this was my thought too, and I'm leaning towards the former.


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    Cookie_Monster
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    I wouldn't have though we have enough sand or camels for that?


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    keith16
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    jellyboy wrote: »
    Im not one bit surprised at this



    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/ireland-the-most-truly-muslim-country-in-the-world-1.1826354

    Can you tell us why your not surprised? I bet you don't even understand what the article is saying.


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    MarkR
    Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators Posts: 11,078 Mod ✭✭✭✭MarkR


    Well, we're set for stones anyway. (Is this a sweeping enough statement for AH?)


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    gramar
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    keith16 wrote: »
    Can you tell us why your not surprised? I bet you don't even understand what the article is saying.

    I'm not saying the OP didn't understand the article but I was wondering why someone wouldn't be surprised by this. What trends have they been monitoring in Irish society over the last 10 years that would have indicated that we are the most truly muslim country?


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    Fratton Fred
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    Cookie_Monster wrote: »
    I wouldn't have though we have enough sand or camels for that?

    You obviously weren't in Brittas Bay this weekend!


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    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    There is not a single "Muslim" country I would be happy to live in.


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    Vision of Disorder
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    Nice to see the Times trying new things and taking brave steps into tabloid sensationalism (I suppose they're trying not to fall behind the Indo).


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    Irish Halo
    Registered Users Posts: 1,429 ✭✭✭Irish Halo


    seamus wrote: »
    The study compared Islamic economic teachings to the economic laws and values in various countries
    :confused:
    Article says it used "economic achievements, governance, human and political rights, and international relations" so slightly broader than just economics.

    I think the point is that if you take what a religion preaches and then look to see what countries appear to have implemented those ideals Ireland is a good match for Islam. It does not mean that Ireland has used Islam as a basis for its culture, but to be fair since "turning the other cheek" is a tenet of Christian teaching then the use of the death penalty in the US would suggest they're values are not based on Christianity.

    Anyway paper seems to the academic version of link bait.


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    suicide_circus
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    Vision of Disorder wrote: »
    Nice to see the Times trying new things and taking brave steps into tabloid sensationalism (I suppose they're trying not to fall behind the Indo).
    They're reporting on an academic study with reference to ireland, whats the problem?


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    BASHIR
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    suicide_circus wrote: »
    There is not a single "Muslim" country I would be happy to live in.

    If I could have my Irish wage, I'd live in the Maldives no problem.


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    A cow called Daisy
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    comongethappy wrote: »
    I suppose a similar Christian index would place us similar.

    Ireland is very tolerant of faiths & the ideals they profess.

    Very tolerant? What about northern ireland? Sure where would you of got people more tolerant of each others faith than there?


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    Lapin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,184 ✭✭✭✭Lapin


    “ Islam is, and has been for centuries, the articulation of the universal love of Allah for his creation and for its unity, and all that this implies for all-encompassing human and economic development,”


    That bit gave me the best laugh I've had so far this week !


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    Gyalist
    Registered Users Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭Gyalist


    I hope that the gratuitous use of the word like is prohibited in Muslim countries.


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    suicide_circus
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    BASHIR wrote: »
    If I could have my Irish wage, I'd live in the Maldives no problem.
    Really? You'll have to convert to islam in order to get citizenship and you'll be living under de facto shariha law. Also, no fornication, gayness or practicing of religion other than islam.


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    SpaceTime
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    I don't think some of you actually read beyond the headline. :)

    The study ranks most actually Islamic countries quite low on the table and ranks a load of Northern European countries along with NZ and others that also top the human development index at the top.

    I think the authors of the studies are just trying to point out that the harsh interpretation of Islamic law that's a feature of a large number of most Islamic states is different from their much more liberal and humanist reading of it.

    In reality the reason those counties top the list is the fact that they're basically modern post-religious humanist societies with a major emphasis on freedom and democracy.

    Despite Ireland's early to mid 20th century horrors under the thumb of religious conservatism, Ireland from the 1990s onwards started to change very dramatically.

    They're not ranking us as Islamic in the Iranian or UAE sense, they're ranking us as how they'd like to see Islamic counties actually behave.


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    Mr. CooL ICE
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    Allahu akbar lads!


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    #29
    Duggy747
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    Our new favourite comedy would be Imam Ted


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    Frank Grimes
    Registered Users Posts: 5,300 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    If anyone wants to read the academic article the Irish Times report is talking about it can be accessed online. I'm not sure about linking directly so a search on Google Scholar for An Economic IslamicityIndex (the title of their paper) throws up a link where you can view the paper, also the authors have another one called 'How Islamic are Islamic Countries?' (second link on the above search) which looks at other factors apart from economic ones, Ireland is number 3 on that list. I have only skimmed through them both so I can't comment on what the authors are saying.


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    donegal.
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    Irish Halo wrote: »
    :confused:
    Article says it used "economic achievements, governance, human and political rights, and international relations" so slightly broader than just economics.

    no , when you look at all those factors Ireland does not come first. In the "Overall Islamicity Index" Irelandis third.

    “Looking at an index of Economic Islamicity, or how closely the policies and achievements of countries reflect Islamic economic teachings - Ireland, "
    Ireland only come first if you look only at the economics.


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