Ireland the most truly muslim country in the world like

jellyboy

Im not one bit surprised at this



http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/ireland-the-most-truly-muslim-country-in-the-world-1.1826354

tigger123

When I saw the headline I thought it was gonna be an extremist wind up merchant, but when you read what the guy is saying he's making an interesting point.

cml387

I think we fall down on the no alcohol bit though.

circadian

What about the corruption and the Church cover ups?

Potatoeman

cml387 wrote: »

I think we fall down on the no alcohol bit though.

Only when we have had too much.

Tail Docker

cml387 wrote: »

I think we fall down on the no alcohol bit though.

Not for want of people trying to ban it. I was going to say at least we don't stone single mothers, but I do believe we even have that covered, metaphorically.

Matt_Trakker

A typically human trait, swapping one suffocating religion for another, been the way it's been since the first troll told his ape compatriot that stars had a hand in destiny.

The only hope we have is to become like the Czech Rep and become completely atheist. Wonderful people the Czech, couldn't give a f$ck about f$ck all.

Lenin Skynard

When your study spits out results like this, you really need to re-examine your criteria.

Canis Lupus

cml387 wrote: »

I think we fall down on the no alcohol bit though.

And the tasty tasty pork and bacon.

comongethappy

I suppose a similar Christian index would place us similar.

Ireland is very tolerant of faiths & the ideals they profess.

seamus

Hard to tell if it's a bit of "religion of peace" propaganda or a genuine academic thought experiment.

Either way, it's not saying Ireland is Islamic or becoming Islamic or in any way enforces Sharia law. The study compared Islamic economic teachings to the economic laws and values in various countries and found that Ireland is the most aligned. It says nothing about social values, ethics, education, etc. It's just about economics.

osarusan

seamus wrote: »

Hard to tell if it's a bit of "religion of peace" propaganda or a genuine academic thought experiment.

Yeah, this was my thought too, and I'm leaning towards the former.

Cookie_Monster

I wouldn't have though we have enough sand or camels for that?

keith16

jellyboy wrote: »

Im not one bit surprised at this



http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/ireland-the-most-truly-muslim-country-in-the-world-1.1826354

Can you tell us why your not surprised? I bet you don't even understand what the article is saying.

MarkR

Well, we're set for stones anyway. (Is this a sweeping enough statement for AH?)

gramar

keith16 wrote: »

Can you tell us why your not surprised? I bet you don't even understand what the article is saying.

I'm not saying the OP didn't understand the article but I was wondering why someone wouldn't be surprised by this. What trends have they been monitoring in Irish society over the last 10 years that would have indicated that we are the most truly muslim country?

Fratton Fred

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

I wouldn't have though we have enough sand or camels for that?

You obviously weren't in Brittas Bay this weekend!

suicide_circus

There is not a single "Muslim" country I would be happy to live in.

Vision of Disorder

Nice to see the Times trying new things and taking brave steps into tabloid sensationalism (I suppose they're trying not to fall behind the Indo).

Irish Halo

seamus wrote: »

The study compared Islamic economic teachings to the economic laws and values in various countries

Article says it used "economic achievements, governance, human and political rights, and international relations" so slightly broader than just economics.

I think the point is that if you take what a religion preaches and then look to see what countries appear to have implemented those ideals Ireland is a good match for Islam. It does not mean that Ireland has used Islam as a basis for its culture, but to be fair since "turning the other cheek" is a tenet of Christian teaching then the use of the death penalty in the US would suggest they're values are not based on Christianity.

Anyway paper seems to the academic version of link bait.

suicide_circus

Vision of Disorder wrote: »

Nice to see the Times trying new things and taking brave steps into tabloid sensationalism (I suppose they're trying not to fall behind the Indo).

They're reporting on an academic study with reference to ireland, whats the problem?

BASHIR

suicide_circus wrote: »

There is not a single "Muslim" country I would be happy to live in.

If I could have my Irish wage, I'd live in the Maldives no problem.

A cow called Daisy

comongethappy wrote: »

I suppose a similar Christian index would place us similar.

Ireland is very tolerant of faiths & the ideals they profess.

Very tolerant? What about northern ireland? Sure where would you of got people more tolerant of each others faith than there?

Lapin

“ Islam is, and has been for centuries, the articulation of the universal love of Allah for his creation and for its unity, and all that this implies for all-encompassing human and economic development,”


That bit gave me the best laugh I've had so far this week !

Gyalist

I hope that the gratuitous use of the word like is prohibited in Muslim countries.

suicide_circus

BASHIR wrote: »

If I could have my Irish wage, I'd live in the Maldives no problem.

Really? You'll have to convert to islam in order to get citizenship and you'll be living under de facto shariha law. Also, no fornication, gayness or practicing of religion other than islam.

SpaceTime

I don't think some of you actually read beyond the headline.

The study ranks most actually Islamic countries quite low on the table and ranks a load of Northern European countries along with NZ and others that also top the human development index at the top.

I think the authors of the studies are just trying to point out that the harsh interpretation of Islamic law that's a feature of a large number of most Islamic states is different from their much more liberal and humanist reading of it.

In reality the reason those counties top the list is the fact that they're basically modern post-religious humanist societies with a major emphasis on freedom and democracy.

Despite Ireland's early to mid 20th century horrors under the thumb of religious conservatism, Ireland from the 1990s onwards started to change very dramatically.

They're not ranking us as Islamic in the Iranian or UAE sense, they're ranking us as how they'd like to see Islamic counties actually behave.

Mr. CooL ICE

Allahu akbar lads!

Duggy747

Our new favourite comedy would be Imam Ted

Frank Grimes

If anyone wants to read the academic article the Irish Times report is talking about it can be accessed online. I'm not sure about linking directly so a search on Google Scholar for An Economic IslamicityIndex (the title of their paper) throws up a link where you can view the paper, also the authors have another one called 'How Islamic are Islamic Countries?' (second link on the above search) which looks at other factors apart from economic ones, Ireland is number 3 on that list. I have only skimmed through them both so I can't comment on what the authors are saying.

donegal.

Irish Halo wrote: »

Article says it used "economic achievements, governance, human and political rights, and international relations" so slightly broader than just economics.

no , when you look at all those factors Ireland does not come first. In the "Overall Islamicity Index" Irelandis third.

“Looking at an index of Economic Islamicity, or how closely the policies and achievements of countries reflect Islamic economic teachings - Ireland, "
Ireland only come first if you look only at the economics.

DeVore

LordChessington wrote: »

Allahu akbar lads!

http://fciwypsc.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/its-a-trap.jpg

circadian

So we observe shararrarararara law?

whisky_galore

Duggy747 wrote: »

Our new favourite comedy would be Imam Ted

Those infidels are small....those are f a r a w a y.

Amirani

A cow called Daisy wrote: »

Very tolerant? What about northern ireland? Sure where would you of got people more tolerant of each others faith than there?

You do know there's this border thing up there between us?

paulbok

jellyboy wrote: »

Im not one bit surprised at this



http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/ireland-the-most-truly-muslim-country-in-the-world-1.1826354

like what?

iba

seamus wrote: »

Hard to tell if it's a bit of "religion of peace" propaganda or a genuine academic thought experiment.

Either way, it's not saying Ireland is Islamic or becoming Islamic or in any way enforces Sharia law. The study compared Islamic economic teachings to the economic laws and values in various countries and found that Ireland is the most aligned. It says nothing about social values, ethics, education, etc. It's just about economics.

Sorry but this para from the text says differently:

'In carrying out the study, they applied the ideals of Islam in the areas of a society’s economic achievements, governance, human and political rights, and international relations, he said'

Regards

iba

suicide_circus wrote: »

There is not a single "Muslim" country I would be happy to live in.

Why?

Lone Stone

And the irony of it all is, the country would not rate so highly if it was ever an Islamic country !

folan

Lone Stone wrote: »

And the irony of it all is, the country would not rate so highly if it was ever an Islamic country !

irony indeed!

sheesh

A cow called Daisy wrote: »

Very tolerant? What about northern ireland? Sure where would you of got people more tolerant of each others faith than there?

Part of the UK so would come under their statistics

jellyboy

I'm not surprised by the article

On the few visits that i have had to Muslim countries ,i found my liberal views turned on its head
the kindness ,compassion ,understanding for fellow humans was very evident

Values and empathy was in every man/womans eyes i looked into

of course theres always those that i don't agree with

Deep down Ireland still has those values

suicide_circus

iba wrote: »

Why?

The oppressively conservatism would interfere with my lifestyle.

suicide_circus

jellyboy wrote: »

Values and empathy was in every man/womans eyes i looked into

lol

donegal.

iba wrote: »

Sorry but this para from the text says differently:

'In carrying out the study, they applied the ideals of Islam in the areas of a society’s economic achievements, governance, human and political rights, and international relations, he said'

Regards

see post no. 31

does anyone read the thread or article before posting :rolleyes:

gctest50

The Catholic Church are already working hard to try and retain their numbers with new initiatives such as upgrading women to second class citizens, a 24-hour confession service and offering all masses in 3D.


“Ah it’s great really, it’s more convenient as there is a mosque close to me here and in fairness it’s about time I read a new book,” shared Clonskeagh resident Mark Chambers, just one of thousands of people now looking to Islam to be their main religious faith provider.

http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2014/06/10/ireland-makes-the-big-switch-to-islam/

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Vision of Disorder

suicide_circus wrote: »

They're reporting on an academic study with reference to ireland, whats the problem?

The headline is sensationalist, misleading muck.

Maximus Alexander

Article includes the word "111st", can no longer take it seriously.

How would that be pronounced, one-hundred-and-tenty-first?

Vision of Disorder

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Article includes the word "111st", can no longer take it seriously.

How would that be pronounced, one-hundred-and-tenty-first?

Your way of pronouncing is correct in Europe but in the US it's "One hundred and eleven-ist'.

Dave!

Not arsed reading the study, but isn't this based on a liberal interpretation of Muslim teachings? Presumably if they used criteria related to public stonings for adultery, death for apostasy, subjugation of women, etc., Ireland would feature a bit lower, with Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, and so on, rising up the table.

iba

suicide_circus wrote: »

The oppressively conservatism would interfere with my lifestyle.

Must be some lifestyle you lead :eek:

I would not class any of the following Muslim countries oppressively conservative:

Morocco, Tunisia, Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Turkey. to name but a few. Probably countries like Kuwait and others in the region like the Emirates might also be included on that list but I am not sure as I have not been or lived in them.

But I presume that you base your comments on living in numerous Muslim countries.

Regards