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Cyclists mega-thread (WARNING: Before posting you must read post #1)
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Interesting analysis, Detective Monument :pac:
To a certain extent I can understand the driver's idea in not pulling all the way up to the kerb to collect passengers. Not great if there's a passenger with a disability, and not great in general given that a car might undertake the bus and put people standing in line at risk.
However, I do believe that formalising this practice might mitigate a lot of the problems with that particular bus stop and junction. If the roadspace were to be reclaimed as footpath (basically continuing the pavement straight until the junction, despite the building setback) then the busstop could be located pretty much where the driver in the video stops. Additionally, a cycle lane could be placed *behind* the bus stop so that there is no conflict between cyclists and busses at the stop, and only minimal conflict between cyclists and pedestrians. Essentially a Dutch bus stop, something like this:
(Usefully, this image also shows a building setback much like the one in question.)0 -
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The bus doors closing is even clearer again:
And then the driver pulls off from being stopped when another cyclist is already well on his way to passing him and turning in:
Then there's somebody on a DublinBikes across the junction...
REWIND again: But while crossing the junction instead of slowing down and getting behind the DublinBiker, he moves out in-front of the YouTuber:
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Let's REWIND for a second...
There's the bus behind the second cyclist and inside the cycle lane and there's also cyclists on the right of the bus:
So, given that the bus is only ~33m from the corner and there's cyclists close by on the outside, you'd think the bus might slow down and go in behind the cyclist on the left?
Not a chance the bus goes around the second cyclist too and pulls up outside of the bus stop markings:
And opens the door outside of the bus stop and that distance away from the kerb:
Where a passenger exits:
And at 27 secs the cyclist overtakes the bus ( you can see him reflected in the window ) he doesn't seem at all fazed about his near death brush with a maniac killer busdriver just 15 seconds before!0 -
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steveblack wrote: »Every week in dublin bus drivers are called up to see management on a Thursday to explain their side of a complaint.
In years past it could be quit a heated meeting, management believing the complaint to be 100% true and the driver fighting his/her corner.
Then something magical happened, CCTV was put on all the fleet, 360 degree coverage inside and out of the bus.
Now on Thursdays drivers are still called up to the office about complaints, but are now told "we had a complaint about you, we reviewed the CCTV and your in the clear". End of meeting , driver on his/her way in under 5 minutes.
In fact a few serial complainers who where making up lies have been sent solicitors letters to cease.
If you dont read in the paper in the coming weeks that the driver was sacked, well come to your own conclusions.
Sorry, but my experience of DB's complaints investigations procedure is that it's a farce.
I complained when a bus shoulder surfed me through Whitehall, before squeezing by, cutting me off and the braking hard because the muppet driver in his rush forgot he might have to actually stop to let passengers on and off.
Anyway, complained to DB (I didn't confront the driver at the time, but made sure I got a good look at him so I could identify him) giving them all the details and a couple of weeks later got a reply to say the video footage didn't support my complaint. I asked to see the video footage and was told 'no.'
Went to the Guards and one of the Traffic Corps lads told me I was wasting my time complaining to DB. He also said the footage will have been destroyed before I got the letter to preclude further investigation.
His advice was to contact the Guards first, then they'll contact DB and have them hold on to the footage.
I also got myself a helmet cam
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Interesting analysis, Detective Monument :pac:
To a certain extent I can understand the driver's idea in not pulling all the way up to the kerb to collect passengers. Not great if there's a passenger with a disability, and not great in general given that a car might undertake the bus and put people standing in line at risk.
However, I do believe that formalising this practice might mitigate a lot of the problems with that particular bus stop and junction. If the roadspace were to be reclaimed as footpath (basically continuing the pavement straight until the junction, despite the building setback) then the busstop could be located pretty much where the driver in the video stops. Additionally, a cycle lane could be placed *behind* the bus stop so that there is no conflict between cyclists and busses at the stop, and only minimal conflict between cyclists and pedestrians. Essentially a Dutch bus stop, something like this:
(Usefully, this image also shows a building setback much like the one in question.)
That is the exactly how cycle lanes and bus stops should be placed. It enables the cyclist to carry on safely past the bus stop without any conflicts. A lot of the bus stops on the N11 have been re-engineered to emulate this. On a more mundane note, it is tastefully done and respects the character of the surrounding architecture and more specifically that of the adjacent building.Seaswimmer wrote: »Hey Patrick. Knew we would sign you up eventually. Dont forget to come on over to the cycling forum..
When I made use of the phrase "would-be", I meant that in certain circumstances, I would take up cycling as my main mode of transport. As I currently work in Citywest, I drive there as it is just under 20 miles.
However, if I was working somewhere like Sandyford which is about 4 miles, I would more than likely take up cycling as a means of getting there. It would take a bit of getting used to. But, ultimately, I would be slimmer, healthier and happier:).
In a similar vein, if I was working in town, I would take the DART. It all depends on the location of work and the most sensible, cost-effective and efficient means of getting there. Driving into town would be madness with the extortionate parking and all that. I've done it very few times and it ain't pleasant:(. Looking for a convenient parking space is nightmare. I'd choose the DART over this any day of the week as it's hassle-free.
Having said all of that, I will pop over to the cycling forums:D.0 -
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a fellow cyclist
as if we have secret group, or are all on in on it together (whatever "it" is). Your comments make it sound like the likes of monument and other cyclists who may post here, would defend him because of some imagined "one of us" mentality, regardless of where the fault lies. For myself, and I presume monument from his comments, that's simply not true, maybe we are simply not liked by all the other cyclists.
The secret society of no Monuments and CramCycles
There is no imagine it.0 -
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However, I do believe that formalising this practice might mitigate a lot of the problems with that particular bus stop and junction. If the roadspace were to be reclaimed as footpath (basically continuing the pavement straight until the junction, despite the building setback) then the busstop could be located pretty much where the driver in the video stops. Additionally, a cycle lane could be placed *behind* the bus stop so that there is no conflict between cyclists and busses at the stop, and only minimal conflict between cyclists and pedestrians. Essentially a Dutch bus stop, something like this:
(Usefully, this image also shows a building setback much like the one in question.)
There are more than a few locations around Dublin where this situation is recreated,however,in typically Irish style,our administrators and supposed professionals will actively conspire to place the cycle lane in the position where it maximizes conflict with EVERY other mode....for a textbook example,refer to Stop 3018 Outbound opposite the Goat Pub Goatstown.Nothing accidental,but rather a deliberate placing of the Cycle Lane where it must cause the most danger.Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.
Charles Mackay (1812-1889)
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