Kids arrested for mouthing at Gardai (video)

08-06-2014 10:44PM

I don't think we have the full context of what happened before the video began.

Therefore I won't speculate as to who's right and who's wrong in the video.

RoryMac · 08-06-2014 10:44PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

I'm going to guess this was in a inner city area?

I think its the North Inner city, looks like Mountjoy Square but not 100% sure

Yellowblackbird · 08-06-2014 10:50PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Do gooder? People in this thread are condoning the children getting tied up and/or walloped with batons/rubber bullets ect. If that doesn't have echoes of child abuse I don't know what does.

You've a simplistic view of the world. Children can either be tortured and abused or alternatively spoiled and indulged with no limits.
There is a way that has worked in human society since it's beginning. Rules, codes of behaviour and limits. They can be enforced without cruelty or malice. But with love and support. By do gooder I mean someone who mistakenly thinks they are doing good by being indulgent and weak. You develop no character if you are pampered and wrapped in cotton wool.

amacca · 08-06-2014 10:53PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

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Why would you be sh1tting yourself?

I assume because he has been brought up to have a certain amount of respect for authority even a little fear - (perhaps controversial but a little fear can be helpful imo - keeps manners on people)

I'd be the same as the poster and I'm about as law abiding as it gets, whats worrying to me is that 14year olds have no fear or respect for our police force, what that tells imo me is they are being undermined by something and not just their own misdemeanours

top candidates causing this undermining to take place imo: our justice system and a whole section of society out there being allowed to essentially freeload from cradle to grave

steddyeddy · 08-06-2014 10:55PM

Yellowblackbird wrote: »

You've a simplistic view of the world. Children can either be tortured and abused or alternatively spoiled and indulged with no limits.
There is a way that has worked in human society since it's beginning. Rules, codes of behaviour and limits. They can be enforced without cruelty or malice. But with love and support. By do gooder I mean someone who mistakenly thinks they are doing good by being indulgent and weak. You develop no character if you are pampered and wrapped in cotton wool.

I know very few social workers ect who fit that description.

foggy_lad · 08-06-2014 11:16PM

amacca wrote: »

I assume because he has been brought up to have a certain amount of respect for authority even a little fear - (perhaps controversial but a little fear can be helpful imo - keeps manners on people)

I'd be the same as the poster and I'm about as law abiding as it gets, whats worrying to me is that 14year olds have no fear or respect for our police force, what that tells imo me is they are being undermined by something and not just their own misdemeanours

top candidates causing this undermining to take place imo: our justice system and a whole section of society out there being allowed to essentially freeload from cradle to grave

Blame has to fall on the parents and others who see no harm in property being damaged or destroyed by their unruly children, they will complain or attack anyone who gives out to their darling monsters even if it is the Guards after their awful kids have run riot.

It has nothing to do with disadvantage! I know of many people who grew up with parents on the dole, not through idleness but because work was not there for them, these people did not become monsters or disrespectful of the law or their neighbours or other people older than them. They were able to get on with it and behave like civilised people and mostly did well in their lives. I know of other people who had lost one or both parents through abandonment or death and they also managed to behave when interacting with the people around them!

Why should these boys get a free pass to do what they like and damage property and cause untold harm and hardship when everyone else must toe the line and act and behave in a civilised manner?

If we go back 50 years or more there were kids like these around but they usually got wise very quickly with a few hidings from the Guards or others or they got locked up. and back then if you stole a car you might get a month in the joy but if stealing that caror any small crime you committed prevented a man from working you could expect the maximum sentence on every charge brought against you!

When did we become so bloody lenient on these dregs of society?

steddyeddy · 08-06-2014 11:33PM

foggy_lad wrote: »

Blame has to fall on the parents and others who see no harm in property being damaged or destroyed by their unruly children, they will complain or attack anyone who gives out to their darling monsters even if it is the Guards after their awful kids have run riot.

It has nothing to do with disadvantage! I know of many people who grew up with parents on the dole, not through idleness but because work was not there for them, these people did not become monsters or disrespectful of the law or their neighbours or other people older than them. They were able to get on with it and behave like civilised people and mostly did well in their lives. I know of other people who had lost one or both parents through abandonment or death and they also managed to behave when interacting with the people around them!

Why should these boys get a free pass to do what they like and damage property and cause untold harm and hardship when everyone else must toe the line and act and behave in a civilised manner?

If we go back 50 years or more there were kids like these around but they usually got wise very quickly with a few hidings from the Guards or others or they got locked up. and back then if you stole a car you might get a month in the joy but if stealing that caror any small crime you committed prevented a man from working you could expect the maximum sentence on every charge brought against you!

When did we become so bloody lenient on these dregs of society?

In the name of all that's intelligent having parents on the dole does not mean disadvantage!!! Disadvantage in relation to the kids I worked with means victims of abuse, neglect, sexual trauma, no parents, living in care homes or sometimes homeless. I.E they do not have parents to teach them right for wrong.

They need someone to show them life isn't sh1t. People may say that's weak but they are talking out of their backside. Really connecting with these kids and fighting against the odds to get them an education or a job is anything but weak. That doesn't mean letting them away with murder either it just means turning up at the cell or whatever and telling them carry on like this and you will die ect. This isn't you. They have to know that they can have any sort of life that they want to but they have to want to! That isn't easy either. Growing up with no parents you will look for any sort of family you can get.

Mark Tapley · 08-06-2014 11:47PM

conorhal wrote: »

Yes, yes they do, though you seems not to spot the irony of that statement.

Like a said, people are angry about what they see in the streets of our cities every day and they're venting a bit of spleen, they aren't the problem, the real problem is on the street, not on boards.ie. You can argue about the language people use to describe the problem all day but that doesn't address the issues that generate the anger people feel. Rather then ignoring such invective and not listening, perhaps you should ask yourself, why are people this excercised? Why is this a constant topic of conversation? What's being done to ensure we don't see endless 'scumbag' bashing threads on Boards?
If these threads are an endless broken record, that to me says once again the problems that generate them are clearly at the bottom of our government's priority list, but then isn't most everything that constitutes the everyday concerns of the man on street pretty much the bottom of their list of priorities?

Yes I can see irony and somebody already pointed it out but like a lot of what you say it is not original. Why on earth would anybody pay any attention to these lunatics bleating on about scumbags. Their ridiculous rantings mean they have no credibility with anybody except their fellow internet nutjobs.
Many people have concerns about crime but don't feel the need to express themselves in this childish way. If you want your concerns taken seriously, grow up.

darkdubh · 08-06-2014 11:49PM

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RoryMac wrote: »

I think its the North Inner city, looks like Mountjoy Square but not 100% sure

Does it not specificly state its Mountjoy square?

steddyeddy · 08-06-2014 11:50PM

May I suggest that the people who want to tie up kids and wallop them with batons should take a long hard look at their upbringing? I came from a rough neighbourhood and I don't generally consider violence to be a solution.

Shady Tady · 09-06-2014 09:07AM

steddyeddy wrote: »

May I suggest that the people who want to tie up kids and wallop them with batons should take a long hard look at their upbringing? I came from a rough neighbourhood and I don't generally consider violence to be a solution.

I'm in tears again steddyeddy, think this is becoming more about you than them!

steddyeddy · 09-06-2014 09:16AM

Shady Tady wrote: »

I'm in tears again steddyeddy, think this is becoming more about you than them!

I'm not asking you to be in tears darling you I would rather you make the effort to read my posts. Now dry your eyes and try again petal. I was saying that I grew up in a rough area and to me the d1ckheads in the gangs are no different to the people on the thread wanting to assault kids. Both seem like thugs to be honest.

Shady Tady · 09-06-2014 09:36AM

steddyeddy wrote: »

I'm not asking you to be in tears darling you I would rather you make the effort to read my posts. Now dry your eyes and try again petal. I was saying that I grew up in a rough area and to me the d1ckheads in the gangs are no different to the people on the thread wanting to assault kids. Both seem like thugs to be honest.

Ah! But there is a diffirence, the thugs in the video actually do this stuff day in day out and impact ordinary peoples lives and society in a negitive way the angry poster won't. These thugs offer little to society and suck it dry of welfare paid by hardworking people who are often their victims. They are offered a route out and many in their communities take it sucessfully. Spare me the hardship story and don't insult decent families all around the country living in rough areas with little who raise fine families who don't act like these thugs and contribute greatly to society! Call a spade a spade and a petal a petal!

steddyeddy · 09-06-2014 09:46AM

Shady Tady wrote: »

Ah! But there is a diffirence, the thugs in the video actually do this stuff day in day out and impact ordinary peoples lives and society in a negitive way the angry poster won't. These thugs offer little to society and suck it dry of welfare paid by hardworking people who are often their victims. They are offered a route out and many in their communities take it sucessfully. Spare me the hardship story and don't insult decent families all around the country living in rough areas with little who raise fine families who don't act like these thugs and contribute greatly to society!

I wasn't talking about the guards in the video. I was talking about the people in the thread who want to tie up and assault kids.

Not a hardship story dude I'm a testament to area of birth not limiting your ambition in life. I'm doing quite well thank you and was raised with manners. I don't want to resort to violence at a moments notice like some in this thread.

anto9 · 09-06-2014 09:46AM

AM JUST MORE CONVINCED THAT THE GARDA SHOULD BE ARMED even if only with thasers and mace . .The young thugs there showed no fear or any respect of authority.

steddyeddy · 09-06-2014 09:54AM

Most gaurds are grand but I wouldn't trust some with a gun.

Shady Tady · 09-06-2014 10:05AM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Most gaurds are grand but I wouldn't trust some with a gun.

Most gardai don't want to be armed, there are high numbers of gardai armed on a daily basis and there aren't mad shoot outs. The fact that members of the force do their job largely unarmed is proof if anything that the force police by consent and with a large degree of support. Many Other forces are amazed at officers going out on the beat with the type of resources available to gardai and getting the results they do. You probably won't like to hear that!

anto9 · 09-06-2014 10:18AM

Shady Tady wrote: »

Most gardai don't want to be armed, there are high numbers of gardai armed on a daily basis and there aren't mad shoot outs. The fact that members of the force do their job largely unarmed is proof if anything that the force police by consent and with a large degree of support. Many Other forces are amazed at officers going out on the beat with the type of resources available to gardai and getting the results they do.

Maybe that worked in the past when their was real community spirit in Ireland .Now with armed drug gangs ,the only way Garda get results is with them killing each other .I do agree it takes courage to be a Garda today in Ireland .Even with the great money ( let nobody say different ) and pension rights its not a job i could do myself .

Fukuyama · 09-06-2014 10:23AM

anto9 wrote: »

Maybe that worked in the past when their was real community spirit in Ireland .Now with armed drug gangs ,the only way Garda get results is with them killing each other .I do agree it takes courage to be a Garda today in Ireland .Even with the great money ( let nobody say different ) and pension rights its not a job i could do myself .

The money for being a garda is brutal - the good days are gone. It might seem attractive to a McDonalds worker but the shift work, personal costs, health costs (ie. dying 10 years younger), nature of the job and stress aren't worth the salary they get.

I wouldn't do it for double tbh.

Piliger · 09-06-2014 06:02PM

Shady Tady wrote: »

Most gardai don't want to be armed, there are high numbers of gardai armed on a daily basis and there aren't mad shoot outs. The fact that members of the force do their job largely unarmed is proof if anything that the force police by consent and with a large degree of support. Many Other forces are amazed at officers going out on the beat with the type of resources available to gardai and getting the results they do. You probably won't like to hear that!

You are absolutely right. The vast majority of ordinary people respect and appreciate all they do. They have real balls to do the job. And the tactical use of armed gardai when it is needed works very well. We are unbelievably lucky that we have the force that we have in comparison with France, Germany, Spain etc where the police have no community affection and where they use being armed as a substitute for the smart, common sense crime fighting that our Gardai are so good at.

deandean · 09-06-2014 06:14PM

I think those Gardaí were spot-on in how they handled that and I am very glad of the police force we have in Ireland.

How would a U.S. cop deal with it? Well, there are countless examples, here is one of the more notorious:

Hootanany · 09-06-2014 06:18PM

conorhal wrote: »

Bollox, the Irish way is to fatalistically shrug and say, as you do, a shure what can you? Eveything's grand, and then bury their heads in the sand and wait for the issue to explode in their faces and then have a tribunal about it.

Again, bollox.

I posted this on another thread, it's a prime example of what you can do when there's the will to do it:

Guards are getting pretty pissed off on the ground about the revolving door that is the judicial system which is clearly broken.

I was very interested to read about a recent initiative taken by a bunch of young Guards on the beat to combat the problem of dealers and junkies in the city center.
They were tired of arresting the same guys for dealing over and over and frequently seeing then back on their same corners within hours of arresting them, so they instituted something called 'station bail'. They would seize any cash the dealers had on them and other property as evidence when they arrested them. That property was generally the dealers mobile phone which was retained to be searched for evidence of dealing.
It soon had a dramatic effect, loosing their phone effectivey put the dealers out of business, customers couldn't call them until they had a new established number, so the Guards were effectively disrupting their business and creating such inconvenience for them that 400 dealers have departed the city center because it was becoming too much hassle for them to conduct business there.

There's a lesson in that story, give the power to deal with the problem to those that know how to solve it, permit initatives by those at the coal face of the problem and you'll see results. Leave the problem in the hands of the courts and bureaucrats and all you get is the same failed solutions to an ever growing problem.

That's an example of a simple solution had a big impact on a problem, so too is making it clear to those behaving in an antisocial manner on our streets that it is unacceptable, there are rules, there is a line and if you cross it there are consequences. Too often guards will walk on by rather then enforcing the law, I applaud the actions of those guards in the OP's post, they didn't. And that's how you solve the issue of making our streets a pleasant place to walk, by doing so.

Now I commend this type of action should be more of it well done to the Guards that thought of this they should be promoted.

conorhal · 09-06-2014 06:38PM

Hootanany wrote: »

Now I commend this type of action should be more of it well done to the Guards that thought of this they should be promoted.

I agree(naturally) but it also needs to happen in conjunction with a major overhaul of the courts system. What does it say about our legal system that having your phone taken off you is a bigger inconvenience then ending up in front of a judge? The same goes for those smart arse kids, they behave they way they do because they're perfectly aware that there is no sanction for doing so. Look at the London riots, it wasn't just criminal gangs that were doing the looting, it was also students and average citizens. Why? Sadly it's because whenever people have the sense that there are zero consequences for their actions and that they're unlikely to be caught particularly if the illegal act can be cloaked crowd/herd behaviour (no better descrtiption of teen gangs), many have a depressing tendency to behave like animals.

For this reason I nearly vommed in my mouth listing to that absolute berk (former Mountjoy governer) John Lonergan on the radio this afternoon commending a change in the law ,that that was taken on the basis of equality legislation, which ensures that those serving less then 30 days in jail should also be entitled to 25% automatic remission. The legal system in this country is utterly bonkers and needs a giant kick up the hole.

anto9 · 09-06-2014 07:11PM

deandean wrote: »

I think those Gardaí were spot-on in how they handled that and I am very glad of the police force we have in Ireland.

How would a U.S. cop deal with it? Well, there are countless examples, here is one of the more notorious:

>>Dont call me dude << lol

foggy_lad · 09-06-2014 10:41PM

anto9 wrote: »

AM JUST MORE CONVINCED THAT THE GARDA SHOULD BE ARMED even if only with thasers and mace . .The young thugs there showed no fear or any respect of authority.

Were guns going to make those waster kids in the video respect them more or listen to them? NO. What is needed are dozens of boot camp type Guards who will be like officer reivierie and take no shlt from these little shlts.

steddyeddy · 09-06-2014 10:48PM

Here's an idea. How about compulsory military service? I was in the FCA during my youth and it was the best thing for me. Taught me how to defend myself and also how to dress and carry myself. It would do wonders for a lot of people.

anto9 · 10-06-2014 02:23AM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Here's an idea. How about compulsory military service? I was in the FCA during my youth and it was the best thing for me. Taught me how to defend myself and also how to dress and carry myself. It would do wonders for a lot of people.

But then your making all join .I managed to live a lawful life in Ireland without being made join the Army.
Kids like this ,after they break the law say 3 times should be made join the Foreign legion .( Probably the Legion would not have them though )

ardle1 · 10-06-2014 03:05AM

Calibos wrote: »

I'd usually be the first to say things like, "Little scrotes deserved it" etc 9 out of 10 youtube arrest videos claiming Police Brutality would have me saying the police should have actually been less restrained and knocked a few more heads together etc

However

What started this?
Didn't seem like the young lads were majorly antagonistic to the point they needed to be arrested?

Perhaps these young lads were unfortunate that these gardai had had to deal with real scumbags resisting arrest/intefering with an arrest etc earlier in the day and were thus were on a shorter fuse with these lads.

Now do you know what! it's ridiculous comments like that, that prevent 'some' Gardaí from doing their job... Gardaí should always be on a short fuse, and when it comes to 'young lads', well! the shorter the fuse the better. I'm 100% convinced that 'said' arrest will prevent some crime(be it small)occurring in the future.

ardle1 · 10-06-2014 03:15AM

deandean wrote: »

I think those Gardaí were spot-on in how they handled that and I am very glad of the police force we have in Ireland.

How would a U.S. cop deal with it? Well, there are countless examples, here is one of the more notorious:

Jaysus,poor kid, imagine he said 'I didn't hear you M O T H E R F C U K E R ' :eek:

Hootanany · 10-06-2014 07:31AM

What's with the little Cop car no wonder the officer is pizzed off driving Noddy car

Kids arrested for mouthing at Gardai (video)

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