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Looks like Revenue are in a spot of bother

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  • #62
    Piliger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,741 ✭✭✭Piliger


    Tail Docker wrote: »
    Golly gosh Piliger, what socking good points you make old chap, I say, you're awfully clever, aren't you. Good for you I say, good for you. Hooray.

    Are you some kind of D4 snob ?


  • #63
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    andrewdeerpark wrote: »
    What is not in dispute is the rise in income inequality and the drop in the standard of living in the developed world since about the 1970's. The power of corporations and the way they play governments off against each other using clever accountants and lawyers is one of the main reasons though corporate profits have never been higher, the TAX take from these corporations is getting lower. Something has to be done GLOBALLY or the system will eventually collapse. Individual workers cannot take more taxation.

    You are correct on the higher taxes on work leading to lower growth.

    The insular argument its the EU picking on us is nonsense in the global scheme of things.
    Income inequality has risen yes. But the standard of living has improved constantly in nearly every country in the world since the seventies.

    Why does it matter if income inequality is growing if the poor are also getting richer?


  • #64
    andrewdeerpark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 951 ✭✭✭andrewdeerpark


    Piliger wrote: »
    What a nonsense article built around a completely concocted claim about unquoted Apple accounts.

    Is it worth letting what slide exactly ? Are you seriously suggesting that Apple would have continued operating here if higher taxes were announced ? and that ANY additional money would have ensued ? Can anyone be really that naive ?

    Sorry was the article retracted an apology give to Apple and the Irish Times sued? Or did I miss that.....


  • #65
    Karl Stein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,689 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    Piliger wrote: »
    The American Healthcare is extremely profitable and successful.

    Dear dear deary me. When I read stupidity like this I truly think we're doomed as a species.


  • #66
    andrewdeerpark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 951 ✭✭✭andrewdeerpark


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Income inequality has risen yes. But the standard of living has improved constantly in nearly every country in the world since the seventies.

    Why does it matter if income inequality is growing if the poor are also getting richer?

    In developed countries the middle classes are getting poorer that is what matters so while yes a certain standard of living is being achieved by more, getting beyond that to the middle income is a lot harder.


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  • #67
    Piliger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,741 ✭✭✭Piliger


    andrewdeerpark wrote: »
    - The global hoarding of cash by corporations is a serious issue as a previous poster said an excellent book from Thomas Piketty required reading.
    he's an idiot and has been denounced by most reputable economists.
    - Private sector is not suited to certain tasks as they are not capitalist style profitable ventures.
    Like what ?
    As for the American Healthcare system just don't get sick without health insurance and when you are sick expect your insurance to be cancelled if you cost to much, again some more reading required.
    So you admit that you were wrong. You said "however private sector has issues just look are American healthcare and the mess that is in.." yet evidently the private american healthcare sector it is not in a mess.


  • #68
    Tail Docker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    Piliger wrote: »
    Are you some kind of D4 snob ?

    Nah. Are you some sort of manic cheerleader? Don't bother answering. ;)


  • #69
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    andrewdeerpark wrote: »
    In developed countries the middle classes are getting poorer that is what matters so while yes a certain standard of living is being achieved by more, getting beyond that to the middle income is a lot harder.
    So you agree that the poor are getting richer but you're saying that the numbers of people in the middle class is shrinking?

    I don't agree, from what I see the percentage of people in the middle class has swelled since the 1970's.


  • #70
    Tail Docker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    So you agree that the poor are getting richer but you're saying that the numbers of people in the middle class is shrinking?

    I don't agree, from what I see the percentage of people in the middle class has swelled since the 1970's.

    Good skills! Way to twist a post! Piliger needs to take notes from you.


  • #71
    Karl Stein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,689 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    Piliger wrote: »
    he's an idiot

    Some anonymous dope on the internet calls a professor of economics and person awarded a PhD from the L.S.E. for his work on wealth concentration 'an idiot' because he doesn't like his views.

    We're doomed as a species if people like you ever get taken seriously.


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  • #72
    andrewdeerpark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 951 ✭✭✭andrewdeerpark


    Piliger wrote: »
    he's an idiot and has been denounced by most reputable economists.

    Like what ?


    So you admit that you were wrong. You said "however private sector has issues just look are American healthcare and the mess that is in.." yet evidently the private american healthcare sector it is not in a mess.

    Piliger
    All bank funded economists and media like the Financial Times have denounced him. Make what you will of that...

    US Healthcare
    Let me spell is out for you the American PRIVATE Healthcare system is an absolute mess of inequality, exorbitant fees and procedures making money for pharmaceuticals, doctors, hospitals and everybody to the detriment of patient care and any sense of social care.

    Yes I accept healthcare is a "black hole" for money worldwide with loads of issues however the US is one of the worst for the ordinary worker.


  • #73
    Rhys Essien
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,029 ✭✭✭Rhys Essien


    On the radio today,they said 150,000 work for multinationals in Ireland.What percentage is this of people in employment?.


  • #74
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Tail Docker wrote: »
    Good skills! Way to twist a post! Piliger needs to take notes from you.

    Do you plan to contribute at all to the thread?


  • #75
    andrewdeerpark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 951 ✭✭✭andrewdeerpark


    Karl Stein wrote: »
    Some anonymous dope on the internet calls a professor of economics and person awarded a PhD from the L.S.E. for his work on wealth concentration 'an idiot' because he doesn't like his views.

    We're doomed as a species if people like you ever get taken seriously.

    Well said Sir, their ARE a few idiots here tonight.


  • #76
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    andrewdeerpark wrote: »
    Well said Sir, their is a few idiots here tonight.

    *there are a few idiots.

    Sorry, couldn't help it.


  • #77
    andrewdeerpark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 951 ✭✭✭andrewdeerpark


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    So you agree that the poor are getting richer but you're saying that the numbers of people in the middle class is shrinking?

    I don't agree, from what I see the percentage of people in the middle class has swelled since the 1970's.

    More poor are being lifted out of abject poverty I agree with, beyond that is where the inequality starts.


  • #78
    Tail Docker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    Tail Docker wrote: »
    Cash stockpiling is currently one of the greatest global problems we face. It is concentrating liquidity into the hands of a tiny few, to the detriment of the many. Piketty has a view on it. The old quote that money is like manure, pile it up and it stinks, spread it around and it causes growth, is very apt.
    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Do you plan to contribute at all to the thread?

    Dunno. Maybe.


  • #79
    andrewdeerpark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 951 ✭✭✭andrewdeerpark


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    *there are a few idiots.

    Sorry, couldn't help it.

    I give you the one bit of bad grammar V's some of the awful, no attempt at any form of coherent or rational argument against articulate points made by some..


  • #80
    pablo128
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,219 ✭✭✭pablo128


    I have a genuine question. If the multinationals were made pay the full 12%, and threw their toys out of the pram, what other european country would they do better in? And how much importance is there in Ireland being an english speaking country in all of this?


  • #81
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    andrewdeerpark wrote: »
    More poor are being lifted out of abject poverty I agree with, beyond that is where the inequality starts.

    Why does it matter that the gap is widening with rich getting richer if the poor are also getting richer?

    Would you rather the gap was smaller and the poor were poorer just so long as the rich were less rich?

    This is why inequality isn't really important.

    I'll let Margaret Thatcher explain it better than I can.



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  • #82
    Tail Docker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    pablo128 wrote: »
    I have a genuine question. If the multinationals were made pay the full 12%, and threw their toys out of the pram, what other european country would they do better in? And how much importance is there in Ireland being an english speaking country in all of this?

    Our employment laws alone give us a head start. They could go to Germany(hah) or france(lol) or spain(hmm, maybe) but apart from those, they're stuck between us and the UK..and we're better - we just don't have the guts to profit fully from the fact we are better, which is a confidence issue. That's the reality - and there isn't even a need to gloss it with manure, aka Piliger.


  • #83
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    1987-Margaret Thatcher: There is no such thing as society
    2013-Society: there is no such thing as Margaret Thatcher!
    That's just nasty.


  • #84
    andrewdeerpark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 951 ✭✭✭andrewdeerpark


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Why does it matter that the rich are getting richer if the poor are also getting richer? Why does it matter then that the gap is wider than it was?

    Would you rather the poor were poorer just so long as the rich were less rich? With a smaller gap?

    This is why inequality isn't really important.

    That is wrong, the power base and stability of a country is the upper working and middle classes. If enough of them slip in earnings then social instability will occur, people want a comfortable living and see progression in earnings and wealth. There is real fear that this is the 1st generation that will be poorer that its parents.


  • #85
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    That's just nasty.

    True I'll delete it and apologise.


  • #86
    Tail Docker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    Margaret Thatcher(who was my local MP) was the worst thing ever to happen to ordinary people. She may have crushed the unions, but she crushed the working people at the same time. She did bad, good.


  • #87
    SpaceTime
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,088 ✭✭✭SpaceTime


    While I think the tax rates should be applied correctly, this is playing with fire by the EU.

    If the Irish economy were to go into a nose dive if such a thing were to cause a lot of multinationals to pullout, the EU might find itself on the end of a major loan default.

    Not sure this is the time to be kicking Ireland to be honest. The economy is only barely recovered.


  • #88
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Tail Docker wrote: »
    Margaret Thatcher(who was my local MP) was the worst thing ever to happen to ordinary people. She may have crushed the unions, but she crushed the working people at the same time. She did bad, good.

    She destroyed a lot of the northern towns.


  • #89
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    andrewdeerpark wrote: »
    That is wrong, the power base and stability of a country is the upper working and middle classes. If enough of them slip in earnings then social instability will occur, people want a comfortable living and see progression in earnings and wealth. There is real fear that this is the 1st generation that will be poorer that its parents.
    But do you have any proof that the percentage of population in the middle and upper working classes is falling?


  • #90
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Tail Docker wrote: »
    Margaret Thatcher(who was my local MP) was the worst thing ever to happen to ordinary people. She may have crushed the unions, but she crushed the working people at the same time. She did bad, good.

    The wages of ordinary people grew strongly under her leadership.


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  • #91
    Tail Docker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    She destroyed a lot of the northern towns.

    They are now dismissed as scrounging chavs.. some people are never happy..


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