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Sky introduce new encryption system to combat piracy (HD Channels have began switch)
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daveyboynire wrote: »I expect SD will be around for some time to come, Imagine the cost of replacing all those old boxes, problem with SD is it look crappy on TV's over 32" and bit rates seem to be getting lower.
It'll be around for a while, but only so long I'd say.
If you were around during the switch from analogue to digital you'll know how efficient Sky can be. the cost of the boxes would (as always) be offset by the payback from new contracts. And just as in the analogue days anybody who is reluctant to switch over will find they're paying the same subscription for less channels. - I think it went down to about 5 or 6 on 19.2 in the end!
You've already noticed bitrates on SD getting lower, that's not an accident
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red bellied wrote: »Bt sport hd cleared for me in a dreambox after the card been paired with one of Sky's old pace boxes. This was last Christmas when Setanta had the one euro deal so may be something has changed since.
Hi mate,
Thanks for the info - however tthe HD switchover only commenced at the end of April
But, just to clarify, I put the ( ? ) after BT Sports because we don't know yet what arrangement they have with Sky.
I'd imagine though that BT Sport would want to be made "secure" on Sky's platform and that Sky would want all HD channels on their platform made secure.0 -
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The last batch of customer HD channels to make the switch will be on Thursday 26th June if all goes to plan which it looks as though it is doing. There's 5 other batches before then though.
The switchover actually started on the 1st April but it was just Sky Insider that made the switch.
We all missed Sky Insider
Judging by your other posts you do have inside knowledge but do you mind if I ask what is your source of information?
And could you let us know what the plans are for BT Sport, the other ITVs etc if you aware of these?
If you're correct it looks like it will be complete before the end of the World Cup :cool:0 -
Looks like you have a small bit of inside informationThe last batch of customer HD channels to make the switch will be on Thursday 26th June if all goes to plan which it looks as though it is doing. There's 5 other batches before then though.
The switchover actually started on the 1st April but it was just Sky Insider that made the switch.
... do you know if sky are interested/worried about reports that Sky Italia has already been broken with the new system? 0 -
radiowaves wrote: »We all missed Sky Insider
Judging by your other posts you do have inside knowledge but do you mind if I ask what is your source of information?
And could you let us know what the plans are for BT Sport, the other ITVs etc if you aware of these?
If you're correct it looks like it will be complete before the end of the World Cup :cool:
I'm part of some private communities for Sky, were given more information than the public, some of which can be conveyed to the public, used to fix faults and help inform them ect.
The rest is subject to NDA so can't be disclosed, such as some things which are being worked on.
I have a table listing what channels will be updated when, this is because there's a possibility that some people may loose access to the HD channels when the encryption changes even if they have a compatible box, this will happen if the there viewing card wasn't correctly paired during the first phase. These people need to be prompted to phone Sky and have there viewing card repaired.
The Thomson boxes will also permanently loose the HD channels which use the new pairing mechanism. So subscription customers with one of these boxes will need to be prompted to phone sky and arrange for a free replacement.
Sky's also started displaying an on screen message regularly on the old Thomson HD boxes prompting them to phone Sky for a replacement.
I don't think I should post the exact dates ect, but I will say that itv2 HD, itv3HD and itv4HD are on the table for the same date to be updated to the new encryption. ItvHD isn't on the table.
Interestingly BTSport isn't on the table.0 -
I'm part of some private communities for Sky, were given more information than the public, some of which can be conveyed to the public, used to fix faults and help inform them ect.
The rest is subject to NDA so can't be disclosed, such as some things which are being worked on.
I have a table listing what channels will be updated when, this is because there's a possibility that some people may loose access to the HD channels when the encryption changes even if they have a compatible box, this will happen if the there viewing card wasn't correctly paired during the first phase. These people need to be prompted to phone Sky and have there viewing card repaired.
The Thomson boxes will also permanently loose the HD channels which use the new pairing mechanism. So subscription customers with one of these boxes will need to be prompted to phone sky and arrange for a free replacement.
Sky's also started displaying an on screen message regularly on the old Thomson HD boxes prompting them to phone Sky for a replacement.
I don't think I should post the exact dates ect, but I will say that itv2 HD, itv3HD and itv4HD are on the table for the same date to be updated to the new encryption. ItvHD isn't on the table.
Interestingly BTSport isn't on the table.
Thanks for the full and detailed response mate
It's good to have some inside knowledge to apply to all of our fumblings in the dark
So many questions; so little space!
Do you know if there are plans to start migrating the premium SD channels once HD is complete?0 -
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Looks like you have a small bit of inside information ... do you know if sky are interested/worried about reports that Sky Italia has already been broken with the new system?
I don't I'm afraid.
Going by how long its been since the last viewing card change only, it seems like we're due one this year or next. So even if the new system is broken Sky's got another bullet in the gun to have a go.
Who knows what improvements to the system will happen with new viewing cards.0 -
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Ha I just realised that thereradiowaves wrote: »It's been Tuesdays as well as Thursdays the past couple of weeks - and if there are 5 batches to go it would need to be to make it for the date given
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radiowaves wrote: »You'll be sorry you posted to this thread
I edited my previous post so you may have missed this question. Do you know if there are any plans for premium channel SD migration to the new system?
I'm not aware of there being any plans to migrate SD channels to the new system.
The supported HD boxes are the only boxes which have the Receiver ID and associated software on them to support the new system.
If they wanted to implement the new pairing/encryption system on the old SD boxes they would need to develop it for the old OpenTV middleware and update the SD boxes.
The whole thing's been a long time in the works, the Receiver ID was added in the R005 software if I remember correctly.
I'm sure Sky has some secret plan for the future.0 -
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Of course BT channels are not Sky owned channels, but a competitors.
ITV2, ITV3 & ITV 4 are not Sky-owned channels
The UKTV fleet of channels are not Sky-owned
BT Sports are on the Sky platform and it is the platform that they are making secure. I am surprised BT aren't on the list but there's obviously something in the contract relating to this 0 -
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radiowaves wrote: »ITV2, ITV3 & ITV 4 are not Sky-owned channels
The UKTV fleet of channels are not Sky-owned
BT Sports are on the Sky platform and it is the platform that they are making secure. I am surprised BT aren't on the list but there's obviously something in the contract relating to this
Whatever about the UKTV channels, the ITV 2/3/4 HD channels were the subject of a "non exclusive" arrangement initially only available on Sky, which are now also available with Virgin Cable. They are still part of an arrangement that they are interested in promoting as part of their package, given they are not part of Freesat. Nobody is interested in this content from a piracy perspective as it is not premium content.
I would counter that it is more about Sky making their premium content secure. If BT gets less subs through CS as a result of non listing of that ID then it is not Sky's problem. After all there is no love lost.
Lets not forget BT has already lodged a complaint with Ofcom under the Competition Act, alleging that BSkyB is abusing its dominance to damage it as a rival.0
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