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Be still my beating heart

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    Ososlo wrote: »
    So you cry too pconn at the end of a hard session? I feel better about it knowing I'm no the only one so:D
    Seriously though, yes I know you're right and it's supposed to hurt like hell. And I know it'll never get easier as then the targets will just change:(
    Now I know why people do marathons:pac:

    I've come close to crying a few times, I have puked once or twice which is probably worse! :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,420 ✭✭✭Ososlo


    Wednesday 4 June
    3.5 miles easy

    Got to sleep at 6am and had to get up early, what's new... Didn't feel too bad during the day and felt good on my run. Always want to go a bit further on easy days but always mindful of the scary session looming so hold back a lot on these.

    Thursday 5 June
    10 miles with 6 strides

    Unexpected day off work. Plan was to do the 4 x 1 mile reps if feeling good and rested today but just felt too lazy and tired and looking for any excuse not to do this (my most feared session of the week) so did the weekend longer run instead. I think that maybe I need more than one easy day between these sessions and hopefully they'll feel a bit more manageable with the extra rest.

    Took in as many hills as I could in the Phonenix Park as I don't really run hills much anymore. Most of longer runs are sessions so I always stick to the flat but today was an opportunity to re-visit some of my favourite places in the park. The Furry Glen looked wonderful in mid-day sunshine and the sight of the pond down there was just breathtaking and worthy of a little stop and rest to drink in the scene but I didn't want to break the momentum so plodded onwards and upwards out of the Glen. Then rising up like a phoenix as I approached the s-bends this wonderful sight of Dublin city in all it's glory presented itself to me. The hairs on my body stood up and I had my favourite Muse song on the player and thoughts of DCM this year started entering my head and wouldn't go away. I remembered last year and how much I loved running through this section of the park and recalled all the wonderful training runs I'd done there and how much I relished the training leading up to the big day and then remembered heading down into Chapelized and the roars of the crowds just willing you on an on and how wonderful it all was.... ah here stop tormenting yourself Ososlo...
    Back to business:cool: and the Hurt Locker that is 2014 training...
    All in all a very enjoyable and serene run and I noticed that even though I don't run hills anymore my easy pace seemed to be well under 10min/miles throughout this run without putting in any effort so that's progress! so IF! I was doing DCM this year then hopefully a sub 9 min/mile would be do-able, but I'm not so it doesn't matter! I'll just keep reminding myself of what I might be capable of this time next year and use that motivation to keep me going throughout this challenging training block.
    pm
    35 mins easy

    Well what a lovely little run. I discovered some new little trails in my local park so I did ALL of this on grass or trail. Splendid!
    Now That's What I Call Running!
    13+miles daily total
    4 x 1 mile reps Saturday...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 784 ✭✭✭Stazza


    If you need more days recovery, take them. In fact, you'd be better taking two days recovery after each session and even then, if you don't feel recovered, take another day. You don't improve on the workout days, you improve during the recovery. If you stress before recovery, you're not getting the best out of yourself and ultimately, you'll end up injured or stale.

    Stress, recovery, adaptation. Simples.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,420 ✭✭✭Ososlo


    Stazza wrote: »
    If you need more days recovery, take them. In fact, you'd be better taking two days recovery after each session and even then, if you don't feel recovered, take another day. You don't improve on the workout days, you improve during the recovery. If you stress before recovery, you're not getting the best out of yourself and ultimately, you'll end up injured or stale.

    Stress, recovery, adaptation. Simples.

    How about 4 weeks between sessions:confused: Sounds good to me:D:D:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,237 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    Ososlo wrote: »
    How about 4 weeks between sessions:confused: Sounds good to me:D:D:D

    Or 8x400 with 1 week recovery between reps?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,420 ✭✭✭Ososlo


    Or 8x400 with 1 week recovery between reps?

    super! you coaching anyone atm?:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,758 ✭✭✭Laois_Man


    Ososlo wrote: »
    IF! I was doing DCM this year then hopefully a sub 9 min/mile would be do-able, but I'm not so it doesn't matter!

    You know you want to!!!

    Stop denying yourself your pleasures!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,420 ✭✭✭Ososlo


    Laois_Man wrote: »
    You know you want to!!!

    Stop denying yourself your pleasures!!

    Ha ha. Naw I made up my mind a good while ago and I am a girl who sticks with her decisions! It's all for the greater good. I just relapsed momentarily today:D
    I'll be running it vicariously through you guys this year:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,420 ✭✭✭Ososlo


    Friday 6 June
    Rest
    With the 4 x 1 mile reps looming in the morning I decided to give my body an extra bit of rest and see if that would make the session a little easier more manageable. Sleep very very bad on the previous night so I was just shattered and thought any kind of running would be counter-productive and would serve no benefit to the session the next day.

    Saturday 7 June
    4 x 1 mile at 5k(7:40-7:45) w/90 sec recoveries
    Went to bed extra early (11ish) and got to sleep quite quickly. Woke a few times but got back. Woke in the early hours in floods of tears. Weird. Couldn't stop crying. I sound like one very disturbed individual:D Thing is though that I'm not. I'm actually a very well balanced and rounded person and since I discovered running I am probably the happiest person I know. Things might have been very different in the past but not any more. And not just happy on the surface, deep down really happy. So I'm not losing it:eek: Got back to sleep eventually and felt fine when I woke up.

    Did foam rolling and AIS at home and went to St. Anne's and did the warm up few miles. Felt fine but warm up miles were quite slow even for me.
    Mile 1: 7:43 (bang on but it felt too hard for rep one)
    90 sec jogging recovery
    Mile 2: 7:59:mad: Spent this whole mile struggling to stay below 8 pace.
    Now I did this session 2 weeks ago and was able to do avg 7:48 so don't know what went wrong today.
    After the second mile I knew it would be near to impossible to gain any kind of decent average back so I gave up.
    Question is: Should I have kept going even though the second rep was way off? Was I right to stop as my body was trying to tell me something?
    When do you know if you just need to htfu or to call it a day? I went with instinct today and just stopped and ran a few very easy miles. I probably could have completed the session but I'm fairly sure I wouldn't have completed any decent splits.
    First time I've bailed on a session as far as I can remember:(. I know I'm never completely happy with my splits in any session and get very close to where I want but not 100% but I always finished them in the past.
    Anways, I'm going to try and not worry about it and just give myself another few easy days before I attempt it again. Problem now is that I've built this mental block in my head about it (on top of the existing one:p) so need to do plenty of positive thinking for the next few days!
    For what it's worth, the body feels very strong these days despite the sleep stuff and I don't have much if any stress in my life at all so maybe it was just a one off bad day for whatever reason.
    7 miles total


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,121 ✭✭✭tang1


    Off day nothing more, nothing got to do with HTFU, you could sell stuff for christ sake!! We have all bailed in sessions, even the best on here has bailed on sessions, its nothing to be ashamed about. How your still functioning with your sleep situation is beyond me to.

    Your coming on massively and in fairness sessions aint suppose to be easy. Bit less self critical and more self confidence in yourself.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,762 ✭✭✭✭ecoli


    tang1 wrote: »
    Bit less self critical and more self confidence in yourself.

    This x 1000

    Do what ever it takes:

    Forget the watch/ don't look at it
    Find the flatest course/ net downhill
    Find someone to pace you
    Take a good taper up to a session

    At this moment in time biggest focus should be on restoring your confidence as this seems to be holding you back. You are well able for it everyone can see now it is just a matter of getting you to start believing in it again. Running is a hobby and is to be enjoyed, ignore the stressful elements and just get back to enjoying carefree running.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,420 ✭✭✭Ososlo


    ecoli wrote: »
    This x 1000

    Do what ever it takes:

    Forget the watch/ don't look at it
    Find the flatest course/ net downhill
    Find someone to pace you
    Take a good taper up to a session

    At this moment in time biggest focus should be on restoring your confidence as this seems to be holding you back. You are well able for it everyone can see now it is just a matter of getting you to start believing in it again. Running is a hobby and is to be enjoyed, ignore the stressful elements and just get back to enjoying carefree running.
    Yep I feel that the 'running fast' issue is in my head and that's what's holding me back. I still freak out when I see sub 9 min/mile on the watch, let alone sub 8!
    I don't think the problem is anything to do with not recovering well between sessions (because I seem to bounce back straight away) and I don't think it's because of my sleep (as that's been part of my life for so long I've learned to function fine with it).
    I'm not going to blow this all out proportion though and make it a bigger thing than it is as that won't help me! One bad day. That's all;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 763 ✭✭✭gerard_65


    Ososlo wrote: »
    I sound like one very disturbed individual:D Thing is though that I'm not. I'm actually a very well balanced and rounded person
    B0ll0cks. All runners are fruit cakes. What sane individual dresses in shorts and tshirts and goes running in the rain and cold!! Just accept it, your nuts!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,420 ✭✭✭Ososlo


    gerard_65 wrote: »
    B0ll0cks. All runners are fruit cakes. What sane individual dresses in shorts and tshirts and goes running in the rain and cold!! Just accept it, your nuts!!

    ha ha you're undoubtedly correct there gerard but in the context on this forum I think I'm pretty sane:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,762 ✭✭✭✭ecoli


    Ososlo wrote: »
    ha ha you're undoubtedly correct there gerard but in the context on this forum I think I'm pretty sane:D

    Not exactly setting the bar high there :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,202 ✭✭✭Gavlor


    Ososlo wrote: »
    ha ha you're undoubtedly correct there gerard but in the context on this forum I think I'm pretty sane:D

    Hhhmmmmm, I'm not so sure about that one!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 763 ✭✭✭gerard_65


    The nutjobs always think their the sane ones and everyone else is nuts!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,420 ✭✭✭Ososlo


    Gavlor wrote: »
    Hhhmmmmm, I'm not so sure about that one!

    :eek:explain yourself young man:cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,202 ✭✭✭Gavlor


    gerard_65 wrote: »
    The nutjobs always think their the sane ones and everyone else is nuts!!

    I think this explains it quite we'll ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,237 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    Regarding the session, your post reminds me of my old log.

    Just get a new log and change your name??

    No seriously, we've all bailed on sessions. I'd be interested in your coaches perspective on pace vrs effort. I believe he uses effort??

    Mile reps are horrible, horrendous inventions and should be banned from the runners lexicon.

    Get back on the horse again.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭outforarun


    Mile reps are horrible, horrendous inventions and should be banned from the runners lexicon.

    and especially when they're done off 90 seconds recovery :eek:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,866 ✭✭✭drquirky


    You need to race. Ditch the watch, run a parkrun and revel in your guaranteed pb. Honestly Ososlo ur in super shape explain to me why you aren't racing? Doing reps w/ no purpose is soul destroying.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭Beef


    Defo do a race. It's the reward for doing the sessions and will give you confidence in your abilities and improved speed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    drquirky wrote: »
    You need to race. Ditch the watch, run a parkrun and revel in your guaranteed pb. Honestly Ososlo ur in super shape explain to me why you aren't racing? Doing reps w/ no purpose is soul destroying.

    Have to agree. Surely at this stage a Park run would be the perfect replacement for a 4 x 1 mile session. Would set a good marker to beat in Kilcock.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,297 ✭✭✭SamforMayo


    drquirky wrote: »
    You need to race. Ditch the watch, run a parkrun and revel in your guaranteed pb. Honestly Ososlo ur in super shape explain to me why you aren't racing? Doing reps w/ no purpose is soul destroying.

    I totally agree. I think you will have so much pressure put on yourself leading to this goal 5 km it will hold you back. Go do a park run, don't tell anyone your doing it, forget the watch and see how you get on!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 784 ✭✭✭Stazza


    Regarding the session, your post reminds me of my old log.

    Just get a new log and change your name??

    No seriously, we've all bailed on sessions. I'd be interested in your coaches perspective on pace vrs effort. I believe he uses effort??

    Mile reps are horrible, horrendous inventions and should be banned from the runners lexicon.

    Get back on the horse again.

    Ok, I’ll step in here and explain a few things:

    There’s a time and a place for both effort and pace. The first 12 weeks or so of Ososlo’s training was all about effort and running by feel. She was learning to run and getting away from all the heart rate plodding. Prior to those twelve weeks, she was plodding around at 10-12 min pace. After 12 weeks of ‘base’ type training (base which touched on all the relevant and necessary elements that she needed to focus on and could cope with) she suddenly noticed that she could run at sub 8 min pace and in fact, even did a 1 mile TT tickling sub 7 pace. The idea of the TT was to show her how far she’d come in a short amount of time, give her some confidence, and indicate the paces she should run for the 4 week block of multi pace training. So that’s two blocks of training – one base and one short block of multi pace training, where pace takes over from effort.

    From the outset, Ososlo was made aware of how tough the 4 weeks of multi pace would be. She knew there would be blood, sweat, and tears. She knew that there would be good days, like last week when smashed her 800 times and improved her average by 2 secs for each 800m. Right now, she’s in the middle of that and doing just fine – she had a hiccup yesterday, which could have been caused by any number of things. There’s no big drama. The rock will keep spinning and she’ll be fine. She bailed on a session – probably due to her body fighting off some sort of lurgy. Hopefully she’ll live. Yeah, she’s a bit down and all that but that happens when everything isn’t rosy all of the time, especially if you have a penchant for perfection. And it is her penchant for perfection that will bring the deserved rewards – not her desire for a quicky, a knee-shaker up an ally. This is all about the long ride. It’s all about teasing out the ultimate climax. Building towards perfection. Oops, wrong forum.

    Her first race was scheduled for two weeks time but she has a wedding and she has now scheduled her first race for three weeks time, which is perfect.

    Contrary to what everybody else thinks, the worst thing she could do is race right now. Sure, she’d get a pb. Then if she were to race again in a few weeks she’d get another pb. But that would be it. After that she’d go flat and stale. Endgame. She needs another 2-3 weeks of multi-pace training. Then, after the block is finished, she’ll be ready to spend 6-8 weeks of racing, sharpening, and maintaining. After the 6-8 weeks of racing, she’ll need to take 10-14 days off from running. Then, with her new found speed etc she can set about building a ‘real’ base over the winter which will set her up for a spring and summer of racing.

    I understand why everybody thinks she should be racing, but that is short term thinking and isn’t in Ososlo’s long term interest. Quick wins are easy. But quick wins lead to long term disappointment.

    If she were to adopt a race a month attitude she wouldn’t get anywhere. Yeah, she might take a few seconds off her times here and there but she’d just be plodding along for the rest of her years. And this is the crucial point, she doesn’t want to race every month and plod along, she wants to make substantial improvements. Racing every month suits fast twitch fibre types and slow twitch guys who operate off big mileage. Ososlo is a slow twitch beginner. Racing once a month off a weak base would prove futile.

    Ultimately, time will tell. But I’m pretty confident that Ososlo will make similar gains to Paddy the Kenyan. He’s improved his 10k pb by nearly 2 mins after 4 months of training - 36:XX - 34:XX. He’ll go on to take another 2mins off his 10k time - 32:XX - this year. Without any stress or pressure, Ososlo will run many pb’s through July and August. Her first race might not be a 2 min pb. But she’ll run a pb and her confidence will grow and by the end of August she’ll be sitting there thinking, Wow!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,866 ✭✭✭drquirky


    I completely disagree. I'll be back later to explain why. ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,202 ✭✭✭Gavlor


    I thought this whole running thing was meant to be fun, none of us are full time athletes preparing for the worlds or the Olympics.

    Sometimes we can take the fun aspect out of it and it becomes like a second job.

    Reading back on the last few weeks here and stazzas post above it appears that the enjoyment of running/training/racing is diminishing rapidly ososlo.

    That's my 2 cents, feel free to ignore!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 784 ✭✭✭Stazza


    Gavlor wrote: »
    I thought this whole running thing was meant to be fun, none of us are full time athletes preparing for the worlds or the Olympics.

    Sometimes we can take the fun aspect out of it and it becomes like a second job.

    Reading back on the last few weeks here and stazzas post above it appears that the enjoyment of running/training/racing is diminishing rapidly ososlo.

    That's my 2 cents, feel free to ignore!!

    I'd agree with some of this:

    The running should be fun and if there's no enjoyment then you (universal pronoun) should question what you are doing.

    Personally, I hate doing workouts. I dread them. I've bailed on two sessions in as many weeks - one because of a niggle and the other because of not taking enough days to recover etc. But that's how it goes. If it were all about fun, I wouldn't do any workouts, I'd just go and run along the canal and look at the mountains.

    It'll be interesting to read what the good lady thinks - crisis or Much Ado About Nothing...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,202 ✭✭✭Gavlor


    Stazza wrote: »
    If it were all about fun, I wouldn't do any workouts, I'd just go and run along the canal and look at the mountains..

    But there has to be a happy medium between sightseeing and training like a pro for spring/summer next year!!


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