Mayo GAA Discussion Thread

rossie1977 · 04-06-2014 11:54PM

Defiler Of The Coffin wrote: »

At the very least we have a solid defence, Roscommon will need to make every shot count as their current blanket defence will mean they will need to frustrate Mayo, make them doubt themselves up front and quickly tear back up the field. If Mayo can build up a good lead early on it will be hard to see Roscommon pull it back.

Sorry to disappoint but we don't play blanket defence. How anyone who has even watched 5 minutes of our games this season could come to that conclusion is beyond me.

naughto · 05-06-2014 12:08AM

why would we be watching a team in div 3 play football?
its not like we will learn any thing

ColeTrain · 05-06-2014 12:26AM

rossie1977 wrote: »

Sorry to disappoint but we don't play blanket defence. How anyone who has even watched 5 minutes of our games this season could come to that conclusion is beyond me.

You were playing division 3 teams all year though. Surely you'll set up different playing a division 1 team? You'd be naive not to, especially considering Mayo have struggled against the blanket defence in the past.

Fowler87 · 05-06-2014 12:30AM

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

SHOCKING how Richie Feeney cant get a look-in with this team, absolutely shocking!

Agree especially as they are fairly inexperienced half forward line other than Doherty and even then he can be streaky enough. But something is obviously been happening in training for Horan to start them so we can only wish them the best of luck and trust for big performances on Sunday.

What a bench we have at our disposal too:eek:

Defiler Of The Coffin · 05-06-2014 06:27AM

rossie1977 wrote: »

Sorry to disappoint but we don't play blanket defence. How anyone who has even watched 5 minutes of our games this season could come to that conclusion is beyond me.

You did against Tyrone last year. I'd be very surprised if you didn't play it against Mayo.

Defiler Of The Coffin · 05-06-2014 06:31AM

ColeTrain wrote: »

Drake is a half back. They do need experience but we need a win, Sunday certainly isn't the time for experimentation.

If memory serves me correct he has been dropped into half forward in the league though? Could be wrong. Anyway Horan is looking at making the impact subs, I still can't see us losing, it's not like HF has been performing excellent anyway. People have complained about Horan sticking with the same guys no matter what, at least now he's shaking things up

rossie1977 · 05-06-2014 08:26AM

ColeTrain wrote: »

You were playing division 3 teams all year though. Surely you'll set up different playing a division 1 team? You'd be naive not to, especially considering Mayo have struggled against the blanket defence in the past.

Cavan were playing division 3 with us and a defensive mindset is ingrained into all their teams from a young age so much so that the GAA took out 2 full pages in the league final program to highlight how the two counties have enjoyed similar success in the league and at underage but using different tactics.

Blanket defense requires decipline and the players to work the system of which we have neither. Its not like a switch you can turn on and off. Our fullback is really a midfielder, our halfback plays full foward for his club. We have always been defensively naive at every level last decade outside our minors in 2006. Our tactics of going out to outscore the opposition has resulted in a few hidings but we still play the same way. Look at how naive our under 21s were this year defensively.

yop · 05-06-2014 08:52AM

Strange team, suspect its a ploy. Can't see him throwing them young lads in, BUT if they have the balls for it why not. Been hearing great things about Conor and Diarmuid, can't say I have seen great things, but it has to be done.

Defiler Of The Coffin · 05-06-2014 09:05AM

yop wrote: »

Strange team, suspect its a ploy. Can't see him throwing them young lads in, BUT if they have the balls for it why not. Been hearing great things about Conor and Diarmuid, can't say I have seen great things, but it has to be done.

The word is that both have been showing very well in training and A v B games. If that's the case then good on Horan for picking according to form.

yop · 05-06-2014 10:11AM

Defiler Of The Coffin wrote: »

The word is that both have been showing very well in training and A v B games. If that's the case then good on Horan for picking according to form.

Well that makes total sense to play them, It will be good to see how they stand up to the game, it was be as hard a hitting game as they will face as Rossie teams are generally tough tackling and big lads.
As strong a bench though of any team in the Championship, while will really help as long as he uses it and uses it correctly.
I do think this season is a pivotal one for JH and some of the players, Dillon and Moran will probably hang up the shoes and oddly, if that is the right word to use, if JH doesn't deliver Sam then his days are done.

Rawhead · 05-06-2014 01:35PM

From talking to a member of the panel he said that the intensity level at training had been ramped right up since the arrival of Gavin Duffy. I also suspect that if that is the half forward line that starts then the lads must be really showing in training.
Andy missed two goals in Ballagh's recent championship game that the Andy of 2 years ago would have scored in his sleep. If we are to blood new players in the championship then when do we do it? All going well the next game is a Connacht final, then your in to Croker, do you wait till then? If they're showing the performances in training then let them back it up on the field.

GBXI · 05-06-2014 01:42PM

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

SHOCKING how Richie Feeney cant get a look-in with this team, absolutely shocking!

Would ya give over - he's not a starter. A good player to bring off the bench but he is not good enough to start. He doesn't have the legs anymore and the players picked are better choices than him.

naughto · 05-06-2014 03:05PM

did duffy make the panel?

ColeTrain · 05-06-2014 04:06PM

naughto wrote: »

did duffy make the panel?

Nope according to The Irish Times

MaroonAndGreen · 05-06-2014 04:08PM

I dont expect Gavin Duffy to play one minute of Championship football for Mayo and I never did to be honest. I know its different but looking at the likes of Alan Murphy last year not getting any game time after making the switch back to GAA from soccer kind of convices me that Duffy is there to aid in training and not as a real option for games

naughto · 05-06-2014 04:39PM

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

I dont expect Gavin Duffy to play one minute of Championship football for Mayo and I never did to be honest. I know its different but looking at the likes of Alan Murphy last year not getting any game time after making the switch back to GAA from soccer kind of convices me that Duffy is there to aid in training and not as a real option for games

if he never played for mayo before this i would agree with you,but he played a lot of under age and was very good................its either that or i just want to see a prof ruby player playing gaa and beating players before and behind him to get at the ball:pac::pac:

Rawhead · 05-06-2014 05:47PM

Just in case there are any first time travellers to the Hyde you should note the following;
1. Our Roscommon brethren operate a free parking system. This means driveways, lawns, fire stations etc are all available to park in. Thanks to our leader Enda, the hospital should have plenty of spaces available also.
2. Straw hats are acceptable at all occasions such as weddings, funerals, bar mitzvah's etc, but they are especially appropriate for the championship.
3. Nothing makes the locals happier than for a Mayoman to confidently strut into the local bookies just before the game and loudly enquire as to the odds on Mayo +25 points.
4. You might hear the crowd excitedly shouting a chant along the lines of "we are Ross" in the first 7/8 minutes, fret not though as it will quickly subside.
5. Feel free to ask about renting the shiny big Team Rossie bus for tours etc., it should be free around early July.
6. As you leave the Hyde, bask in the warm glow of admiration that your Rossie brethren have for your team and soak up the adulation and good wishes that will surely follow you all the way back to our beautiful county.

DISCLAIMER since the A&E is actually gone, this advice should not be taken literally...

seligehgit · 05-06-2014 08:27PM

Delighted James Horan is shaking things up in the half forward line.Conor O Shea has great potential,less convinced that Diarmuid O Connor is ready for a start as yet.But at this stage Andy Moran and Alan Dillon are no longer championship starters..Thought it would have been interesting starting Cillian O Connor at centre forward.
Sean Rice I think correctly identified that Jason Gibbons would have been a potential centre forward.Any notions of playing Aidan O Shea there as was apparently experimented with in the New York game must be questioned.His last period there during last years league was alas unsuccessful.

KMFCross · 05-06-2014 11:00PM

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

I dont expect Gavin Duffy to play one minute of Championship football for Mayo and I never did to be honest. I know its different but looking at the likes of Alan Murphy last year not getting any game time after making the switch back to GAA from soccer kind of convices me that Duffy is there to aid in training and not as a real option for games

I don't think Duffy can play a championship for us yet. I'm sure there is a rule stating you need to have played championship League Football before lining out for your County.

Fr Tod Umptious · 06-06-2014 12:16AM

Really looking forward to this game now.

It will be our first chance to see if Mayo have shook off the effects of two final losses in a row and are ready to go for it a third time.
Its the performance more than the score that I am interested in seeing
I'd like to see a Mayo team that are in control throughout the game and there is no fear of them loosing the game, anything less like a late scramble to win it, or a situation where they are hanging on at the end will only point to them not being up for it in 2014.

All that being said this is also a potential banana skin for Mayo.
Ros have improved, they are at home, that Mayo team has a different look to it, and they may well be suffering from the effects of he two All Ireland losses in a row.

We will know a lot more Sunday night.

ultrapercy · 06-06-2014 01:36AM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Really looking forward to this game now.

It will be our first chance to see if Mayo have shook off the effects of two final losses in a row and are ready to go for it a third time.
Its the performance more than the score that I am interested in seeing
I'd like to see a Mayo team that are in control throughout the game and there is no fear of them loosing the game, anything less like a late scramble to win it, or a situation where they are hanging on at the end will only point to them not being up for it in 2014.

All that being said this is also a potential banana skin for Mayo.
Ros have improved, they are at home, that Mayo team has a different look to it, and they may well be suffering from the effects of he two All Ireland losses in a
We will know a lot more Sunday night.

Rosscommon are big and strong, fit, highly motivated and have some decent forwards. They also have home advantage. Mayo are a long time on the road, any win on Sunday for Mayo will be a good win. Mayos bench experience could be the deciding factor in what I expect to be a tough task but a shock could be in store.

Fr Tod Umptious · 06-06-2014 01:24PM

ultrapercy wrote: »

Rosscommon are big and strong, fit, highly motivated and have some decent forwards. They also have home advantage. Mayo are a long time on the road, any win on Sunday for Mayo will be a good win. Mayos bench experience could be the deciding factor in what I expect to be a tough task but a shock could be in store.

I would have to disagree with that

The idea that a 'win is a win is a win' is all fine and well, but when you are an experienced, recognized top 2 team in the country, hoping to finally win an AI, playing a Div 3 (winner) team, you should be winning it and winning it without too much fuss.

The notion that this Mayo team can in some way stutter through a Connaught championship and then up their game in the All Ireland series is folly.

We saw that that sort of talk was folly with Dublin in 2012 and Donegal in 2013, and it's no different with Mayo.

They have had a poor league campaign, the way it ended was quite worrying, so they need to up their game on Sunday and lay down a marker that they are serious about 2014.

Defiler Of The Coffin · 06-06-2014 01:40PM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

I would have to disagree with that

The idea that a 'win is a win is a win' is all fine and well, but when you are an experienced, recognized top 2 team in the country, hoping to finally win an AI, playing a Div 3 (winner) team, you should be winning it and winning it without too much fuss.

The notion that this Mayo team can in some way stutter through a Connaught championship and then up their game in the All Ireland series is folly.

We saw that that sort of talk was folly with Dublin in 2012 and Donegal in 2013, and it's no different with Mayo.

They have had a poor league campaign, the way it ended was quite worrying, so they need to up their game on Sunday and lay down a marker that they are serious about 2014.

I think you are expecting too much here. You have stated a few times in this thread that Mayo needed to win the league to be in with a real chance of winning the AI, and now you are saying they should be walking their way through Connacht and if that doesn't happen then it's basically curtains.

Plans need to be adaptable, because as soon as the first thing goes wrong everything can fall apart. What do you think should happen if Mayo fail to beat Roscommon convincingly? What would happen if we get to the Connacht and only win after a replay? What happens if we end up in the qualifiers? We adjust accordingly and crack on. The team should really be aiming to peak physically in the late summer anyway. I will gladly take a one point win over any team if it means we get to the final again.

All we can do is take each game as it comes. I think the fans were spoiled somewhat with the hammerings we dished out last year, it didn't do us much good in the end.

As for Donegal and Dublin post AI-victories, I don't think you can apply the same logic to Mayo.

Always_Running · 06-06-2014 02:45PM

Mayo only bet a div 3 side Sligo by 2 points two in 2012 and if it wasn't for a slow start in the final v Donegal you could say mayo might have won that all Ireland. Meath were div 3 last year they also gave the dubs a good game so I'm not sure Todd's theory adds up.

MaroonAndGreen · 06-06-2014 03:08PM

Theres no way its going to be an easy game, we will not be giving Roscommon a hammering like last year

Fr Tod Umptious · 06-06-2014 03:12PM

Defiler Of The Coffin wrote: »

I think you are expecting too much here. You have stated a few times in this thread that Mayo needed to win the league to be in with a real chance of winning the AI, and now you are saying they should be walking their way through Connacht and if that doesn't happen then it's basically curtains.

Plans need to be adaptable, because as soon as the first thing goes wrong everything can fall apart. What do you think should happen if Mayo fail to beat Roscommon convincingly? What would happen if we get to the Connacht and only win after a replay? What happens if we end up in the qualifiers? We adjust accordingly and crack on. The team should really be aiming to peak physically in the late summer anyway. I will gladly take a one point win over any team if it means we get to the final again.

All we can do is take each game as it comes. I think the fans were spoiled somewhat with the hammerings we dished out last year, it didn't do us much good in the end.

As for Donegal and Dublin post AI-victories, I don't think you can apply the same logic to Mayo.

I don’t think a top 2 team beating a Div 3 team convincingly is expecting too much. And when I mean convincingly I mean being well in control throughout the game, the outcome never being in doubt, not necessarily a whopping big score difference.

My worry has always been the if they lost the final in 2013 they would not have the mentality to go to the well again in 2014 after all the efforts since 2011
And as it turns out they did not win in 2013, and their league form was poor in 2014, they failed to win away from home when they had a perfect chance v Dublin they failed. They failed miserably in the SF v Derry.

In order for me to be convinced that they are up for it in 2014 they have to be convincing in all their games.

Only one team in recent memory has managed to play poorly in their provincial championship, and qualifiers, and go on to up their game in Croke Park, that was Kerry in 2009 and they had a brilliant squad.

And I think there is comparison with Dublin and Donegal, both were less than impressive in their provinces and neither upped their game once they got to the AI series as many had predicted they would.
Theirs was from a success hangover; ours may be from a failure hangover.

royster999 · 06-06-2014 05:25PM

http://www.newstalk.ie/player/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/The_Friday_GAA_Podcast/55196/2/the_gaa_podcast__the_mayo_edition

Who is the host on this show.
Seems to be from Mayo

Fowler87 · 06-06-2014 08:08PM

royster999 wrote: »

http://www.newstalk.ie/player/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/The_Friday_GAA_Podcast/55196/2/the_gaa_podcast__the_mayo_edition

Who is the host on this show.
Seems to be from Mayo

Ballyhaunis man Nathan Murphy.

kupus · 07-06-2014 09:56AM

I still stand by what I said about mayo before the derry game. I think nothing is changed and nothing was learned during the league.
But ross are not derry. THey will cause problems and score a goal or two, but Mayo should shade it in the end.

ColeTrain · 07-06-2014 11:05AM

kupus wrote: »

I still stand by what I said about mayo before the derry game. I think nothing is changed and nothing was learned during the league.
But ross are not derry. THey will cause problems and score a goal or two, but Mayo should shade it in the end.

It's a bit ridiculous to say that "nothing was learned during the league" when there hasn't been a ball kicked since then ( except giving a hammering to NewYork ) At least wait until we fail before giving out about the team :rolleyes:

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