Mayo GAA Discussion Thread

Defiler Of The Coffin

rossie1977 wrote: »

Sorry to disappoint but we don't play blanket defence. How anyone who has even watched 5 minutes of our games this season could come to that conclusion is beyond me.

Would you like to revisit this? I think it's fair to say Roscommon played a blanket defence with the aim of frustrating Mayo in the first half. Was I wrong in saying so beforehand?

Da Shins Kelly

Mayo should come on a bit from this and learn something from the experience. It was a poor match and a poor performance, but you never know how a team is going to improve over the year, and Mayo have the quality. Last year it could be argued that they peaked a bit early. Their performances in Connaught and against Donegal were brilliant and they ended up getting ridiculously hyped up by the press and everything over it. Better that they start slowly and build up to something special rather than run out of steam when it matters.

naughto

Defiler Of The Coffin wrote: »

Would you like to revisit this? I think it's fair to say Roscommon played a blanket defence with the aim of frustrating Mayo in the first half. Was I wrong in saying so beforehand?

The blanket defence makes a ****1e of any game,it very nearly worked for them.if it went to a repley in castlebar I would see it being a very different game

megadodge

Defiler Of The Coffin wrote: »

Would you like to revisit this? I think it's fair to say Roscommon played a blanket defence with the aim of frustrating Mayo in the first half. Was I wrong in saying so beforehand?

Well, considering Roscommon played the blanket defense in ONE game in over 18 months before today (Tyrone qualifier last year) you certainly were wrong to talk about it as if it was a consistent feature of their game. And that is certainly how it looked from your post.

Just because Ros played that way in the first half today doesn't mean you were right about what happened (or didn't) in the past.

beggars_bush

Roscommon pressed up onto the 45.
It wasn't a blanket defence

yop

Hard to gauge anything out of it, had figured we were on a no win situation, win it by a few points there will be questions, win it be 10 there will be questions.
Weather was shocking, really added to many handling errors and also the total lack of intensity didn't suit us. We should have been gone out of sight before 1/2 time but Rossies flooded back the 1/2 forward line to block us getting through and it was very effective, our boots were at home.
Performance wise I thought Hennellys distribution was excellent and was overall very solid. Im a little worried about Caff, seems to have lost a yard of pace. Cunniffe and Higgins were excellent. Boyle was effective, as with Vaughan dropped a lot, Keegan was quite I thought.
Midfield was an odd beast today, when we got our tails up they were good, Seamie took a lovely point at an important time and Aidan was effective without excelling.
1/2 forward line was ok, I thought for a young lad young O'Shea was on the ball alot and did good for his 1st championship, plenty of power and pace. Good decision to take him off. Diarmuid from where I was sitting was quite enough, though he was the far side of the pitch. Doc was his usual self, took a lovely score.
Inside Freeman got injured in the warm up and didn't seem to recover, the ball into him was shocking, gave him no chance, McLoughs was lost in there. COC kept ticking the scores over, seems to rile the opposition fans with how long he takes.
Moran was superb when he came on, 2 super points and changed the game, as did Dillion.
Felt sorry, once more, for Richie F, bringing him on will do nothing for him.

What have we learned, I suppose we know we are not firing on full cylinders, we know we can come back and win a game we were nearly out of, we know we have a strong bench. We didn't play well, we went to the Hyde and won, job done.

When are they upgrading the hyde, farcical stuff with only portaloos and then the messing with no allocated seating, aisles blocked by people standing.
Great turn out by our supports as always.
A wins a win, its a habit I prefer to have.

Defiler Of The Coffin

megadodge wrote: »

Well, considering Roscommon played the blanket defense in ONE game in over 18 months before today (Tyrone qualifier last year) you certainly were wrong to talk about it as if it was a consistent feature of their game. And that is certainly how it looked from your post.

Just because Ros played that way in the first half today doesn't mean you were right about what happened (or didn't) in the past.

I predicted that Roscommon would play the blanket defence which they plainly did, and you come in here telling me I was wrong?! Are you a politician?

It was obvious that they would play differently against a top team but the Rossie fans seem to be in complete denial. Carry on verbalising all you want. Rossies didn't just play it for the first half, they failed to change tac after the goal

MaroonAndGreen

My Mayo player ratings from today:

Rob Hennelly - 7 (Decent kickouts and made a great catch over his crossbar in the 1st half)
Tom Cunniffe - 8 (Solid, won the ball in front of his man a lot)
Ger Cafferkey - 7 (Decent 1st half, tailed off a little near the end though I thought)
Keith Higgins - 7 (Usual good game by Zippy at corner back)
Lee Keegan - 6 (By his high standards not his best game, did fine though)
Colm Boyle - 7 (Solid at centre back, good game)
Donal Vaughan - 8 (Thought he drove on well in important times and was a key player for us at the end)
Aidan O'Shea - 7 (Decent game, can improve though)
Seamus O'Shea - 8 (Like Vaughan, he stood up when we needed him, kicked a great score and his driving runs caused the Rossies problems)
Diarmuid O'Connor - 7 (Worked hard, won some turnovers, but ineffective going forward)
Conor O'Shea - 6 (Handling dodgy early on once or twice, not that effective going forward but did get through a lot of ball at the same time)
Jason Doherty - 6 (Quiet apart from the early point)
Cillian O'Connor - 8 (Was our leader today, everything good we did seemed to go through him, was actually very impressed. Hes still very young and was the best player on the pitch in my opinion)
Alan Freeman - 5 (Completely anonymous. Ball into him did him no favors but he got a roasting for a player of his calibre)
Kevin Mcloughlin - 7 (Solid game, kicked 2 very important points from play and some crucial frees too)

Andy Moran - 8 (Instant impact off the bench, kicked 2 big points. Would probably have lost without him)
Alan Dillon - 7 (Looked good when he came on, helped turn things around)
Mikie Sweeney - 6 (Won ball, didnt look like scoring though)
Richie Feeney - N/A (Not on long enough)

megadodge

Defiler Of The Coffin wrote: »

I predicted that Roscommon would play the blanket defence which they plainly did, and you come in here telling me I was wrong?! Are you a politician?

It was obvious that they would play differently against a top team but the Rossie fans seem to be in complete denial. Carry on verbalising all you want. Rossies didn't just play it for the first half, they failed to change tac after the goal

You were pulled on your suggestion that Roscommon play a blanket defense on a regular basis.
This is what you said before the match today -

...Roscommon will need to make every shot count as their current blanket defence will mean they will need to frustrate Mayo...

Their "current" blanket defense? Really?

Would you care to give us some examples of this "current" blanket defense over the last 18 months, besides the already mentioned Tyrone game which was nearly a full year ago.

I won't be holding my breath.

TCDStudent1

Why have Boyle & Vaughan switched this year? What is the thinking behind it?

MaroonAndGreen

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

Why have Boyle & Vaughan switched this year? What is the thinking behind it?

Give Vaughan more license to drive forward I'd guess, he is better at going forward than Boyle and Boyle is probably a better defender and marker so it makes sense to have Boyle at 6 holding back.

Defiler Of The Coffin

megadodge wrote: »

Would you care to give us some examples of this "current" blanket defense over the last 18 months, besides the already mentioned Tyrone game which was nearly a full year ago

Today against Mayo

MaroonAndGreen

megadodge wrote: »

You were pulled on your suggestion that Roscommon play a blanket defense on a regular basis.
This is what you said before the match today -



Their "current" blanket defense? Really?

Would you care to give us some examples of this "current" blanket defense over the last 18 months, besides the already mentioned Tyrone game which was nearly a full year ago.

I won't be holding my breath.

Okay, they didnt do it against weaker teams like Leitrim. But when they came up against bigger sides they did (Tyrone last year and Mayo today).

It hasnt happened often because these days Roscommon dont play many games in the summer now do they!!

megadodge

Defiler Of The Coffin wrote: »

Today against Mayo

You made your "current" blanket defense comment BEFORE the Roscommon game - as I already pointed out.

My question still stands.

MaroonAndGreen

megadodge wrote: »

You made your "current" blanket defense comment BEFORE the Roscommon game - as I already pointed out.

My question still stands.

Is one batin in a day not enough for ye Rossies?

You want to go and lose an argument now :P

megadodge

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

Is one batin in a day not enough for ye Rossies?

You want to go and lose an argument now :P

In order to lose the argument, Defiler has to come back with proof to back up his ill-informed comment.

He won't.

MaroonAndGreen

megadodge wrote: »

In order to lose the argument, Defiler has to come back with proof to back up his ill-informed comment.

He won't.

8 championship games in a row Mayo have won against Roscommon, can we play ye all the time?

Sorry im actin the cúnt now :pac:

Defiler Of The Coffin

megadodge wrote: »

You made your "current" blanket defense comment BEFORE the Roscommon game - as I already pointed out.

My question still stands.

Like a dog with a bone. You played it and you lost. Let it go.

yop

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

8 championship games in a row Mayo have won against Roscommon, can we play ye all the time?

Sorry im actin the cúnt now :pac:

Ah ya, they will beat us yet. The man in front of me throwing his kid into the air each time Rossies scored was funny, the poor child

MaroonAndGreen

Would ye rather Sligo or Galway in the final lads?

Sligo would be an easier prospect for Mayo I think but im hoping its Galway, not been a Mayo-Galway final since the epic 2009 final (Peader Gardiner late point after Meehan's goal, Mort's tribute to Michael Jackson) :P

Id love a Mayo v Galway final just for the occassion

megadodge

Defiler Of The Coffin wrote: »

Like a dog with a bone. You played it and you lost. Let it go.

I've no problem with the result of the game.

Mayo won fair and square. Showed great character in tough circumstances. Hopefully it will serve them well in future matches and they can finally win their All-Ireland.

I (and others) pointed out that you were wrong to suggest that Roscommon are a team that regularly play a blanket defense. Because you were! Donegal play blanket defense. Cavan play blanket defense. Every single game.

Before today's game, under John Evan's management, Roscommon would have played 8-10 NCF league games, 15 National League Games, 3 championship games and God knows how many challenge games. In all those games Roscommon played a blanket defense ONCE.

They are the facts. You have chosen to ignore them in order to back up a factually incorrect throwaway comment you made. If that makes you feel good - fine. I've just pointed out how uninformed you were.

Enjoy your All-Ireland run.

lorenzo87

Hey guys, as a neutral looking at the game today I have one strong opinion on the match.
For me, the most crucial part of the game is the midfield battle, and the team that wins the midfield battle generally goes on to win the game or at least have a huge chance of winning the game. I thought Aidan O'Shea was abysmal today, the No. 9 for Roscommon won far too much ball. Let's put it this way, if Mayo lose out in midfield like that against a "good side" (no disrespect meant toward Roscommon), they will get absolutely mullered. I thought Cillian had a good game personally. Also thought Mayo didn't show much fight for the breaking ball, but look they won and they can only improve.

Always_Running

Mayo should be very thankful to come on the right side of that result.Could easily have lost it and credit to the rossies that gave it their best shot, they are a side on the rise and could take out a bigger hitter in the qualifiers. Mayo learnt more about themselves today than in the three connacht games last year and I expect them to win connacht again

ultrapercy

I watched the game on TV and realise being there is a different perspective BUT was COC, who was extremely poor in my view, more deserving of man of the match than the real man of the match Tom Cunniffe? Mayo did well to win, looked a beaten docket with 10 to go,Andy Morans quality the difference in my opinion.Ross are not far away from being a very competitive team, their 2 subs were the best forwards on display today. Mayo lack any quality in the starting forwards to win AI but could make another final.

MaroonAndGreen

ultrapercy wrote: »

I watched the game on TV and realise being there is a different perspective BUT was COC, who was extremely poor in my view, more deserving of man of the match than the real man of the match Tom Cunniffe? Mayo did well to win, looked a beaten docket with 10 to go,Andy Morans quality the difference in my opinion.Ross are not far away from being a very competitive team, their 2 subs were the best forwards on display today. Mayo lack any quality in the starting forwards to win AI but could make another final.

Thought Cillian had a good game all round

Neeson

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

Thought Cillian had a good game all round

He had a poisonous foot on him at times though.

MaroonAndGreen

Neeson wrote: »

He had a poisonous foot on him at times though.

Difficult conditions too though. I think he was worth his man of the match award anyway. He stepped up today in Moran's and Dillon's absence and was the leader in the forward line, he did well.

Cosmo Kramer

megadodge wrote: »

In order to lose the argument, Defiler has to come back with proof to back up his ill-informed comment.

He won't.

Lets be realistic here - Roscommon have only played three championship games against decent opposition in the last two seasons and they have started with a defensive system in all three. The only reason they came out to play in last year's game against Mayo was because we had their system beaten before half time. So yes, I think it is fair to say that Roscommon consistently play a defensive system, at least in the heat of championship anyway. They may do something different away from public view in the lower divisions of the league but Division 3 isn't looking too strong now based on early championship performances ( no wins by D3 teams against higher division teams and two losses to D4 teams). Those of us outside the county can only judge based on what we see - which is a team playing a very defensive style in successive championships.

Hulk Hands

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

Give Vaughan more license to drive forward I'd guess, he is better at going forward than Boyle and Boyle is probably a better defender and marker so it makes sense to have Boyle at 6 holding back.

I think its a mistake tbh. Boyle's been one of the best wing backs in the country for a while. Headless running forward is something they should be trying to coach out of Vaughan not encourage (wouldnt have him near that team, but thats another matter). I think Boyles better in both defensive and attacking aspects and they shouldnt be switching their better players to plug gaps. Mayo defense was excellent in general yesterday I thought, although Vaughan was very lucky the rebound with 10 mins left missed his unmarked man by inches

MayoSalmon

lorenzo87 wrote: »

Hey guys, as a neutral looking at the game today I have one strong opinion on the match.
For me, the most crucial part of the game is the midfield battle, and the team that wins the midfield battle generally goes on to win the game or at least have a huge chance of winning the game. I thought Aidan O'Shea was abysmal today, the No. 9 for Roscommon won far too much ball. Let's put it this way, if Mayo lose out in midfield like that against a "good side" (no disrespect meant toward Roscommon), they will get absolutely mullered. I thought Cillian had a good game personally. Also thought Mayo didn't show much fight for the breaking ball, but look they won and they can only improve.

Mayo will be very lucky to get to another All-Ireland this year. The don't look like they have improved near enough. That being said others don't look to hot yet either, not sure what type of standard will be coming out of Munster this year.