796 children buried in Septic Tank in Galway - ### Mod Warning in 1st Post

Czarcasm wrote: »

Respectfully jellyboy, let's not diminish and trivialize the suffering of these young women by engaging in gender whataboutery.

Really ?

when you stop spinning from your judgement i want you to consider this

Every time that i hear or read about scandals and the over pouring of chest beating and hand wringing and finger pointing that follow

I take a breath and try to get in that space,where i can not remember the pain and hurt that was brought to me by the actions of others …

i was shoved in a home ,beaten and sexually abused
Nobody listened when i tried to tell them of the pain that i suffered

in fact they told me i was female and placed me in a mental hospital ..

When that didn't work ,they decided that i had a mental age of 6..
and put me in the care of religious

where more abuse took place …



Are you trying to tell me that my abuse is less than a woman's?

Neyite wrote: »

Some are describing it as an Honour crime.

I wouldn't consider that website a great source of unbiased reporting considering the other articles posted on there. Using an atrocity like this to further the agenda of feminism and it's poisonous bile really is a new low for the movement.

This tragedy is the tip of the iceberg, how many stories have come out about the RCC at this stage? When will people start protesting this religion being a part of our law and constitution?

RobertKK wrote: »

The research that brought this to light is based on the files the nuns gave to Galway county council in 1961 when the place was closed.

That's not true.
Most of the research that brought this to light is based on the search for and study of the death certificates which prove said nuns owned and operated a business in which huge numbers of babies died of malnutrition.

foggy_lad wrote: »

When people ask why didn't the local people know or do anything etc we must put ourselves back in those times and ask what we would have done!

If we were anyway wealthy at all then this never touched off us or our lives but if we had any bit of poverty or lack of education we were basically relying on our good name for work and the ability to feed our family, which we had only by the good grace of the local authorities which were the priests and guards doctors and other wealthy landowners. Our good name could be destroyed by anyone with power or money on a whim!

All it took was a priest or other powerful person to mention that your little johnny Michael or Mary Margaret was becoming a bit of a handful and how it must cost a fortune to feed your 8 or 12 or 22 children and next thing you get a call from the local guard about how a child is not attending school or simply "running wild" about the town, and they would be off to the industrial school or orphanage to be beaten raped and scarred for life!

YOU NEVER EVER WENT AGAINST ANY OF THESE PEOPLE AS YOU COULD NEVER BE LET WIN!

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This


They basically ruled the country by fear. I remember moving to Ireland from the UK in 1982 and even then it was a culture shock to see how much of a grip the church had. The cane/slipper was still in use in schools but it was (for me) quite rare to even know someone who had been punished with it, Next thing i know i am in a christian brothers school and watching a grown man PUNCH a 12 year old boy in the face 3 times:eek:

I said to the lad at break time what he should tell his Father about this and he replied that his Father would give him worse if he knew he had given the Brother cheek. Several months later i was accused of stealing some money from the teachers desk drawer (I had a lovely English accent that seemed to grate on his nerves for some reason:D) and when i wouldn't admit to doing it a was dragged by the ear to the head Brothers office.

He proceeded to slap me across the face twice calling me a filthy little liar and telling me i would go to hell for stealing (wasn't me, the guy who did it was caught 2 days later). The red face and venom from his voice stuck with me to this day and i will always remember the stink of biscuit from his breath as he stood over me (to this day the sight of rich tea makes me gag a little)

I made a break for it and ran (with christian brother in full flight after me in his brown robes) out of the school and home. Sat outside the house for 5 hours until my Mum come home and told her what had happened. Dad came home an hour later and Mum took him into the living room where she sat him down and told him what had gone on. I had never seen my Dad angry before but that day his face went red then a pure white and he just said "ok, we will sort this out in the morning".

A kid from the school dropped by that evening with a letter for my parents from the Brother and in it he basically said i had been a disruptive student, stolen money, started fights and in general was a little bollix and that they HAD TO (ordered didn't ask) go to the school the next day for a meeting.

The following morning my Dad walked me to school and first went to my classroom walked straight up to the teacher (a sadistic cnut ) and told him that i would be back in the class in the next few minutes and if he ever laid a finger on me again he would happily break every one of his fingers one by one in front of the whole class.

That was the first time i realised how big my dad was, he was always "Big" because he was my Dad but this day he was a ****ing giant. Onto the brothers office and without knocking my Dad walks straight in, The Brother stands up and with a smirk on his face says "Ah Mr bumper you came back to apologise". Dad walks straight up to the desk, grabs him by the throat, drags him over the desk and proceeds to slap him across the face twice and then asks him how he liked it.

The Brother was shocked and kept saying "you can't hit a man of the cloth" to which my father replied "No but i can hit a ****ing bully". He then told him that i was now going back to class and if he ever heard of him hitting a child again he would bring a hammer with him the next time and show him what real pain is. For the rest of my time in that school the teacher never said a bad word to me and the head Brother never looked at me. My Dad told me years later that for the next 3 months he was **** scared that the guards could/would come and arrest him and have me taken away.

TLDR: My Dad slapped a Christian brother because he was a cnut

(The brother not my Dad:mad:)

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

What did people think happened in these places. In small towns, people know what goes on.Lay people would have worked in these institutions. It would have been common knowledge in the community. People didn't care or didn't care enough.


Lets face up to what our people did. Did my grandparents know the Christian Brothers handed out beatings as part of "education" Yes they did. Not only did they allow child abuse to happen, they agreed with it.

I am no RCC apologist or defender, far from it. We would do well to remember that the RCC was made up nearly solely of Irish people. Irish people who abused their position. Auntie Brid, Auntie Anne, Uncle James etc etc, all joined an order and did this. Our people.

It's too easy to shout at a mainly faceless organization imo and I think it is beyond pointless to tar the entire 1 billion strong church with the same brush. I'm no fan of organized religion but that is probably a discussion for another day.

For me, it's important that we don't lose sight that these were crimes committed by the Irish people against the Irish people.

I think you misunderstand me, my point is that I do not believe people knew that they was systematic starvation of children happening in these place, nor do I believe that people knew that the corpses of these dead babies were being treated in such a sick and disgusting way.
I agree that people knew that physical abuse in the form of beatings took place, and that people were highly judgemental in a very negative fashion of both mothers and babies. Indeed my own grandmother was the child of an unmarried catholic girl and a protestant man, and I spent many long hours with her discussing how her mum was treated and how she was treated as a child.
My point is that culpability lies at the door of those who carried out these actions, and that is where the focus should be.

There is a map on the link with all the mass graves of babies,suicde ,etc etc



http://www.scribd.com/doc/18686459/The-origins-of-the-Irish-Cillin-the-segregation-of-infant-burials-within-an-early-medieval-enclosure-at-Carrowkeel-Co-Galway