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Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

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  • #2642
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,533 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    I agree, they should have. Maybe through a door to door leaflet drop? Or a series of ra meetings? Something like that you mean?
    yes

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #2643
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,283 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    end of the road wrote: »
    yes

    Good, cause they did all that.


  • #2644
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,533 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    Good, cause they did all that.
    yet still only 300 and something objected, so that means the majority aren't bothered

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #2645
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,283 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    end of the road wrote: »
    yet still only 300 and something objected, so that means the majority aren't bothered

    No there were 300 objections, the majority of which were made by various committees and associations ON BEHALF OF THEIR MEMBERS.

    So by your logic, your beloved aer lingus workers shouldn't have been allowed strike since only the trade union gave notice so the actual staff weren't bothered.


  • #2646
    SteM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,299 ✭✭✭SteM


    Some people here seem to be mixing up the objection process with a petition. This is not a petition to stop the gigs going ahead so don't be so hung up on the 375 number.


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  • #2647
    OldGoat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,642 ✭✭✭✭OldGoat


    SteM wrote: »
    Some people here seem to be mixing up the objection process with a petition. This is not a petition to stop the gigs going ahead so don't be so hung up on the 375 number.

    ^^^This.
    In theory a single observation could block the license being granted.

    Someone earlier says that there is no cost to placing an observation. There is a €20 charge according to this page...
    http://www.dublincity.ie/PLANNING/PLANNINGPERMISSION/Pages/ObjectSupport.aspx

    I'm older than Minecraft goats.



  • #2648
    Psychobabble
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 190 ✭✭Psychobabble


    OldGoat wrote: »
    ^^^This.
    In theory a single observation could block the license being granted.

    Someone earlier says that there is no cost to placing an observation. There is a €20 charge according to this page...
    http://www.dublincity.ie/PLANNING/PLANNINGPERMISSION/Pages/ObjectSupport.aspx

    There is no cost associated with lodging an observation to a public event licence, which is distinct from a planning application. If you wish to object to a planning application, there is a €20 fee, as per your link.
    At the end of the day, it's not so much the numbers of those who object, but their reasons for doing so and if they carry weight under the planning laws. If we were to take 'might as right' in this context, then clearly the 400,000 concert goers would trump the 20,000 or so residents. However, that's not how things should work in a civil, democratic society. It's up to the authorities (whether that's DCC or a judge) to balance the fundamental rights of citizens to normal family life and freedom of access to and from their homes, with the desire by others for enjoyment and private companies determination to make further profits.


  • #2649
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,533 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    No there were 300 objections, the majority of which were made by various committees and associations ON BEHALF OF THEIR MEMBERS.

    So by your logic, your beloved aer lingus workers shouldn't have been allowed strike since only the trade union gave notice so the actual staff weren't bothered.

    the staff were balloted by the union, the union doesn't and can't do anything without asking the staff, so your point is invalid

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #2650
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,283 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    end of the road wrote: »
    the staff were balloted by the union, the union doesn't and can't do anything without asking the staff, so your point is invalid

    And the residents were contacted by the ra, who wouldn't lodge these observations without the agreement of residents. Same thing.


  • #2651
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    end of the road wrote: »
    the staff were balloted by the union, the union doesn't and can't do anything without asking the staff, so your point is invalid

    But by your thinking each member should announce individually that they are striking. 10,000 members stating they are going on strike is better than one union announcing it right?


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  • #2652
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    end of the road wrote: »
    yet still only 300 and something objected, so that means the majority aren't bothered

    "Yes, I do object and am greatful for the association putting forward an objection [observation, for the nit-pickers] on my behalf" =/= "I have no obection to the concert" as you seem to beleive.

    It is far more logical that the Association have been meeting and plannign this and whether nor not they should lodge an objection/observation. And it is far less logical they would have gone ahead and done it if only about 5% of the association were bothered.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #2653
    That_Girl_ Is_ A_Cowboy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 286 ✭✭That_Girl_ Is_ A_Cowboy


    There's no end to their moaning.

    http://m.independent.ie/entertainment/music/residents-complaint-on-garth-brooks-croke-park-gigs-to-be-probed-30328683.html

    There's other news online in relation to this. Some residents complained to the gardai and asked for prosecutions to be taken against croke park and aiken for promoting a concert/event without a license. Apparently there's some sort of law in relation to this.

    Un-fùcking-believable what they are moaning about now.

    If this law is so important to them now, why is it they are only targeting the garth brooks concerts and not other concerts around the country. They couldn't give a rats ass about this law. So long as 'fat Garthy' stays the fùck away.

    If the GB concerts are cancelled on this basis, although I'm not a big concert goer, other concerts around Ireland will be on the line too.


  • #2654
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    That_Girl_ Is_ A_Cowboy wrote: »
    There's no end to their moaning.

    http://m.independent.ie/entertainment/music/residents-complaint-on-garth-brooks-croke-park-gigs-to-be-probed-30328683.html

    There's other news online in relation to this. Some residents complained to the gardai and asked for prosecutions to be taken against croke park and aiken for promoting a concert/event without a license. Apparently there's some sort of law in relation to this.

    Un-fùcking-believable what they are moaning about now.

    If this law is so important to them now, why is it they are only targeting the garth brooks concerts and not other concerts around the country. They couldn't give a rats ass about this law. So long as 'fat Garthy' stays the fùck away.

    If the GB concerts are cancelled on this basis, although I'm not a big concert goer, other concerts around Ireland will be on the line too.

    Because cdoke park/Aitken/Garth Brooks all got greedy. When one concert was announced it was ok. Three concerts...ok taking the piss a bit, 4 concerts......ahhh here.....then they throw in number 5 for good luck. Well **** em i hope ALL the concerts are cancelled and then next time they may think twice before thinking they can just walk all over people.


  • #2655
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,283 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    That_Girl_ Is_ A_Cowboy wrote: »
    There's no end to their moaning.


    If this law is so important to them now, why is it they are only targeting the garth brooks concerts and not other concerts around the country. They couldn't give a rats ass about this law. So long as 'fat Garthy' stays the fùck away.

    There's no end to Garth fans moaning either, you'd swear the residents association were coming into your homes and pissing on you as you slept.

    These protests have NOTHING TO DO WITH GARTH. If 1d we're playing 5 gigs after Garth played 3 there'd be the same complaints. And if 5 gigs were announced by any band next summer guess what..... Same complaints.

    These Garth fans really need to get a new hobby.


  • #2656
    irish_major
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 526 ✭✭✭irish_major


    222 pages on a non story!!??
    There will be 5 gareth brookes concerts of that there is absolutely no doubt.


  • #2657
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    irish_major wrote: »
    222 pages on a non story!!??
    There will be 5 gareth brookes concerts of that there is absolutely no doubt.

    Subject to licence ;)


  • #2658
    Titzon Toast
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,570 ✭✭✭Titzon Toast


    Who are you trying to convince here?
    There is definitely some doubt I can assure you.


  • #2659
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,533 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    That_Girl_ Is_ A_Cowboy wrote: »
    There's no end to their moaning.

    http://m.independent.ie/entertainment/music/residents-complaint-on-garth-brooks-croke-park-gigs-to-be-probed-30328683.html

    There's other news online in relation to this. Some residents complained to the gardai and asked for prosecutions to be taken against croke park and aiken for promoting a concert/event without a license. Apparently there's some sort of law in relation to this.

    Un-fùcking-believable what they are moaning about now.

    If this law is so important to them now, why is it they are only targeting the garth brooks concerts and not other concerts around the country. They couldn't give a rats ass about this law. So long as 'fat Garthy' stays the fùck away.

    If the GB concerts are cancelled on this basis, although I'm not a big concert goer, other concerts around Ireland will be on the line too.
    trying their luck is all, if such a law existed then promoters would have all ready been dealt with for promoting concerts before the licence was granted

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #2660
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,533 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    bumper234 wrote: »
    next time they may think twice before thinking they can just walk all over people.

    they won't, croke park will remove any investment and bann the residents from using any of their facilities

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #2661
    irish_major
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 526 ✭✭✭irish_major


    Titzon Toast wrote: »
    Who are you trying to convince here?
    There is definitely some doubt I can assure you.

    No, they're definitely is not.


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  • #2662
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    end of the road wrote: »
    they won't, croke park will remove any investment and bann the residents from using any of their facilities

    Still not said what night your ticket is for.


  • #2663
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Mr.S wrote: »
    Greedy? I wouldn't say it's greedy. All the concerts sold out pretty much, demand was met with supply.

    "walking over people" is a bit OTT now.

    They kept adding nights without knowing if the licences would be granted.....that's greed. As for being OTT? What are they doing by trying to force this disruption on people?


  • #2664
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    irish_major wrote: »
    No, they're definitely is not.

    Oh great another one who knows the future, let me guess, you have a top secret mole in the council who gave you the nod:rolleyes:


  • #2665
    circadian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,491 ✭✭✭circadian


    I'd happily live near Croker knowing that there are games and concerts played regularly there.

    Five in a row however? That would get me complaining too. It's excessive and you can't argue that 400,000 tickets vs the residents. That's the whole country vs a small neighbourhood. The demand is coming from all over, they could have spread the concerts out around the country instead of localising it in one place five nights in a row.


  • #2666
    Titzon Toast
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,570 ✭✭✭Titzon Toast


    Mr.S wrote: »
    Greedy? I wouldn't say it's greedy. All the concerts sold out pretty much, demand was met with supply.

    "walking over people" is a bit OTT now.

    How is it OTT? Do you know how confined a lot of the streets around CP are even without thousands of people passing through them? How intrusive the noise and congestion is upon the people that live there?
    It's not just for five consecutive nights either, all of the equipment, staging, booze and food has to be brought in and set up for days before and after Garth turns up to pollute the air with his redneck noise.


  • #2667
    Peppa Pig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,670 ✭✭✭Peppa Pig


    end of the road wrote: »
    they won't, croke park will remove any investment and bann the residents from using any of their facilities

    So if the GAA were to ban the residents from using their facilities, this would mean that the residents would not be permitted to play or go to any GAA matches or use any GAA clubhouse or go to any concerts on GAA land.
    Apart from the fact that it is absolute nonsense and completely unworkable I'm really interested as what would lead you to believe that this would happen?

    Care to explain?


  • #2668
    Titzon Toast
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,570 ✭✭✭Titzon Toast


    bumper234 wrote: »
    Still not said what night your ticket is for.
    Which ticket? Her Euromillions ticket?! I don't believe for one second that she's even a GB fan let alone going to one of his soon to be cancelled gigs.


  • #2669
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,283 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    end of the road wrote: »
    trying their luck is all, if such a law existed then promoters would have all ready been dealt with for promoting concerts before the licence was granted
    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2001/en/si/0154.html
    And here http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2000/...30.html#sec230

    states that
    (3) Any person who—

    (a) organises, promotes, holds or is otherwise materially involved in the organisation of an event to which this section applies, or

    (b) is in control of land on which an event to which this section applies is held,

    other than under and in accordance with a licence, shall be guilty of an offence.


  • #2670
    Skylinehead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,690 ✭✭✭✭Skylinehead


    Peppa Pig wrote: »
    So if the GAA were to ban the residents from using their facilities, this would mean that the residents would not be permitted to play or go to any GAA matches or use any GAA clubhouse or go to any concerts on GAA land.
    Apart from the fact that it is absolute nonsense and completely unworkable I'm really interested as what would lead you to believe that this would happen?

    Care to explain?

    Wouldn't bet on it.


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  • #2671
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2001/en/si/0154.html
    And here http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2000/...30.html#sec230

    states that
    (3) Any person who—

    (a) organises, promotes, holds or is otherwise materially involved in the organisation of an event to which this section applies, or

    (b) is in control of land on which an event to which this section applies is held,

    other than under and in accordance with a licence, shall be guilty of an offence.

    As it stands, at this moment in time, they are guilty of organising and promoting an upcoming event. is that correct?

    I personally feel that licences should be obtained before the sale of tickets and I really don't get why this doesn't happen. :confused:


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