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796 children buried in Septic Tank in Galway - ### Mod Warning in 1st Post

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  • #272
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,037 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Take Your Pants Off wrote: »
    I dont get this.
    Dead children are buried, whats wrong with that?
    no records? for a start


  • #273
    krudler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    Ash.J.Williams wrote: »
    going on some comments here, am i right in thinking that when the church receives praise, it's for the WHOLE church, but when it receives criticism, they are parishes and homes that are totally independent and not accountable to bishops etc.....

    It's the no true Scotsman argument. "Oh they're not REAL catholics and we want nothing to do with them" same old BS from the church trying to worm its way out of scandals.


  • #274
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Yup Mass graves are never trying to hide anything are they, Nothing bad has ever happened to create mass graves.


  • #275
    Shiraz 4.99
    Site Banned Posts: 824 ✭✭✭Shiraz 4.99


    This story could go nuclear depending on how the media play it, the media are normally secular biased so I'm surprised they're not jumping on this.


  • #276
    wildefalcon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 938 ✭✭✭wildefalcon


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Yup Mass graves are never trying to hide anything are they, Nothing bad has ever happened to create mass graves.

    Especially when dumped in with the discharge from a sewerage system. Ideal last resting place for those who died under the care of a religious organisation.


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  • #277
    conorhal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,059 ✭✭✭conorhal


    Shiraz 4.99 wrote: »
    This story could go nuclear depending on how the media play it, the media are normally secular biased so I'm surprised they're not jumping on this.

    I realise as I say it how cynically harsh this is as I say it, but... there really is no safer controversy for a government to leap on then a 60 year old controversy.
    It's beginning to bug me how we wallow in past failures while ignoring those happening today. No doubt it will be 60 more years before any of our present failings suddenly start to excercise people.


  • #278
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,780 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    RobertKK wrote: »
    I read one post that wanted it, the mods I see dealt with it.
    I am just saying generalisations about the church or any group in society is not good. It has lead to genocide in the past - Rwanda, the ambassador of Rwanda to Nigeria speaking of the genocide that happened in his country -


    A lot put 'the church' or 'RCC' and so do generalise to include all as bad, we know bad has happened because of such type of generalisations.
    That is all I am saying.

    99% of germany was a member of the nazi party. they weren't all evil. The nazi party was though

    99% of ireland was a member of the Roman catholic Church. they weren't all evil... you see where I'm going with this?

    Stop trying to excuse a corrupt organisation. Condemning it doesn't mean saying that every catholic is evil, just that as an institution it was corrupt and fostered evil.


  • #279
    denhaagenite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,169 ✭✭✭denhaagenite


    wildefalcon wrote: »
    Especially when dumped in with the discharge from a sewerage system. Ideal last resting place for those who died under the care of a religious organisation.

    I think the septic tank was installed for the sole purpose of disposing of the bodies, it wasn't used for sewage. Which means there was thought put into it.


  • #280
    KCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 268 ✭✭KCC


    Shiraz 4.99 wrote: »
    This story could go nuclear depending on how the media play it, the media are normally secular biased so I'm surprised they're not jumping on this.

    That's my reason for posting it here. Let's all get active on social media to put the pressure on. It would be great to see it trending on Twitter.

    Those kids never had anyone to fight for them. Let's do it now.


  • #281
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    denhaagenite wrote: »
    I think the septic tank was installed for the sole purpose of disposing of the bodies, it wasn't used for sewage. Which means there was thought put into it.

    That's the most disturbing part.. When people ask what the smell is I assume “oh that’s the septic tank.”


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  • #282
    catallus
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    In the RTE report there was a Father Fintan Monaghan who said "We can't really judge the past from our point of view, our lens.", which seems to be a bit of a disinterested comment when talking about dead babies. But to say this is a "scandal" is unhelpful; dreadful, yes, and I'm sure the bodies could have been dealt with more sensitively. Unless these children were actually murdered there is no scandal here.

    I'm sure there are smaller burial sites such as these all around the country; I know that there is a mound in a field not too far from where I live and my dad told me that it was used to bury stillborn children and abandoned children who died. It was a part of life back then, a taboo brushed under the carpet.

    That said, the attempts by Fianna Fail to turn this into political capital by demanding the present government leaders take responsibility for it is disgusting.


  • #283
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    KCC wrote: »
    That's my reason for posting it here. Let's all get active on social media to put the pressure on. It would be great to see it trending on Twitter.

    Those kids never had anyone to fight for them. Let's do it now.

    Am hoping to get Dara O'Briain to retweet to his 1.7 million followers

    Check out @daraobriain's Tweet: https://twitter.com/daraobriain/status/474188156041195520


  • #284
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,039 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    catallus wrote: »
    Fianna Fail to turn this into political capital by demanding the present government leaders take responsibility for it is disgusting.

    those treacherous b@stards were hand in hand with the catholic church since the foundation of the state


  • #285
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    catallus wrote: »
    In the RTE report there was a Father Fintan Monaghan who said "We can't really judge the past from our point of view, our lens.", which seems to be a bit of a disinterested comment when talking about dead babies. But to say this is a "scandal" is unhelpful; dreadful, yes, and I'm sure the bodies could have been dealt with more sensitively. Unless these children were actually murdered there is no scandal here.

    I'm sure there are smaller burial sites such as these all around the country; I know that there is a mound in a field not too far from where I live and my dad told me that it was used to bury stillborn children and abandoned children who died. It was a part of life back then, a taboo brushed under the carpet.

    That said, the attempts by Fianna Fail to turn this into political capital by demanding the present government leaders take responsibility for it is disgusting.

    That must make it ok then a Priest telling the lay people not to judge. Not to worry it was normal practice back in the past. Is it not even more disturbing this coming from an person connected to the order. Seems the knew about this carry on ?


  • #286
    Quandary
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,428 ✭✭✭Quandary


    Looks like the unbiased (:rolleyes:) national conduit for news that is RTE decided they better start prioritising the article seeing as it doesn't appear to be getting swept conveniently under that already massive rug.

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0604/621550-tuam-grave/

    Infuriatingly, the words Catholic, Church, Nun, Priest, bishop etc do not appear once in the article. Instead they deflect by saying the home was run under the patronage of the "partially English The Sacred Heart of Jesus" homes
    These homes were run under the partial English order, The Sacred Heart of Jesus.

    The Sacred Heart of Jesus is a popular Roman Catholic devotion.

    Unbiased reporting my fcuking hole. The efforts to cover up for the RCC is utterly disgusting.

    The powers that be in this country are too intertwined with the best interests of the church to conduct an honest investigation into this atrocity.

    Quite simply appalling.


  • #287
    denhaagenite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,169 ✭✭✭denhaagenite


    bumper234 wrote: »
    Am hoping to get Dara O'Briain to retweet to his 1.7 million followers

    Check out @daraobriain's Tweet: https://twitter.com/daraobriain/status/474189444405555200

    A comedian?? Does Michael D have a Twitter maybe? Colm O Gorman? Mary Robinson?


  • #288
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    denhaagenite wrote: »
    A comedian?? Does Michael D have a Twitter maybe? Colm O Gorman? Mary Robinson?

    A very outspoken and popular comedian who has no love for the way the CC treated people.


  • #289
    I Heart Internet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭I Heart Internet


    Quandary wrote: »
    Infuriatingly, the words Catholic, Church, Nun, Priest, bishop etc do not appear once in the article. Instead they deflect by saying the home was run under the patronage of the "partially English The Sacred Heart of Jesus" homes

    The article does, of course, say that the Tuam home was run by the Bon Secours.

    You are incorrect to say that RTE claim the Tuam home was run by the "Sacred Heart of Jesus" order.

    Seems like RTE got their facts right whereas you are wrong. Slow down and read things more carefully instead of just scanning articles for mention of the words "bishop" and "priest".


  • #290
    denhaagenite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,169 ✭✭✭denhaagenite


    bumper234 wrote: »
    A very outspoken and popular comedian who has no love for the way the CC treated people.

    Maybe but I think the best way to come at this is from a human rights angle. Get people who will have some experience or sway on a global forum.


  • #291
    Quandary
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,428 ✭✭✭Quandary


    I Heart Internet wrote: »
    The article does, of course, say that the Tuam home was run by the Bon Secours.

    You are incorrect to say that RTE claim the Tuam home was run by the "Sacred Heart of Jesus" order.

    Seems like RTE got their facts right whereas you are wrong. Slow down and read things more carefully instead of just scanning articles for mention of the words "bishop" and "priest".

    No, it is you who is wrong.

    The direct quote from the RTE article is
    These homes were run under the partial English order, The Sacred Heart of Jesus.


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  • #292
    I Heart Internet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭I Heart Internet


    Quandary wrote: »
    No, it is you who is wrong.

    The direct quote from the RTE article is
    Mass graves located at former mother and children homes in Bessborough, Castlepollard and Roscrea have also been highlighted.
    These homes were run under the partial English order, The Sacred Heart of Jesus.

    I can't help you if you don't read the article in full.

    The Bessborough, castlepollard and Roscrea homes were, according to RTE run by "the partial English order, The Sacred Heart of Jesus."


  • #293
    Quandary
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,428 ✭✭✭Quandary


    I Heart Internet wrote: »
    I can't help you if you don't read the article in full.

    The Bessborough, castlepollard and Roscrea homes were, according to RTE run by "the partial English order, The Sacred Heart of Jesus."

    IF you want to choose to interpret the already biased article to suit your argument then fine.

    I see and interpret it differently.


  • #294
    bumper234
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    denhaagenite wrote: »
    Maybe but I think the best way to come at this is from a human rights angle. Get people who will have some experience or sway on a global forum.

    1.7 million people is a good place to start no? I will be on twitter later looking for more high profile people and asking them to retweet the link. If only one does it then it's a rest and it might get #800babies trending worldwide. The more this is spoken about the less chance it will get swept away and forgotten.


  • #295
    humanji
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    denhaagenite wrote: »
    Maybe but I think the best way to come at this is from a human rights angle. Get people who will have some experience or sway on a global forum.
    On Twitter, the likes of Dara O'Briain and Stephen Fry have more sway than most scientists. If you want to get a message out, you get them to tweet about it. People generally won't pay attention otherwise.


  • #296
    denhaagenite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,169 ✭✭✭denhaagenite


    humanji wrote: »
    On Twitter, the likes of Dara O'Briain and Stephen Fry have more sway than most scientists. If you want to get a message out, you get them to tweet about it. People generally won't pay attention otherwise.

    You may have a point. #tuambabies is trending on Twitter (I think- if there's a # it means it's trending, right?)


  • #297
    darkpagandeath
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    I Heart Internet wrote: »
    I can't help you if you don't read the article in full.

    The Bessborough, castlepollard and Roscrea homes were, according to RTE run by "the partial English order, The Sacred Heart of Jesus."

    Correct me if I am wrong but I thought the RCC was the RCC regardless of were the order came from ? Seems semantics about nuns from another country that were partial meaning not in full control.


  • #298
    bumper234
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    denhaagenite wrote: »
    You may have a point. #tuambabies is trending on Twitter (I think- if there's a # it means it's trending, right?)

    People add # to something like #800babies or #tuambabies. Twitter keeps tabs of these and when loads start using it then it is classed as "trending" there is a top 10 that changes as something becomes more popular. Something cod just trend in Ireland or the UK or worldwide depending on the amount of times the particular # is retweeted or used.


  • #299
    I Heart Internet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭I Heart Internet


    Quandary wrote: »
    IF you want to choose to interpret the already biased article to suit your argument then fine.

    I see and interpret it differently.

    It's written in plane English (excerpts below):
    The infants were buried without coffins in the grounds of a former Bons Secours home for unmarried mothers in Tuam between 1925 and 1961.
    Mass graves located at former mother and children homes in Bessborough, Castlepollard and Roscrea have also been highlighted.
    These homes were run under the partial English order, The Sacred Heart of Jesus.

    You're having a go at RTE because you couldn't be bothered to read the article properly.


  • #300
    denhaagenite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,169 ✭✭✭denhaagenite


    Great stuff, I've just spammed a load of people with the petition. Hope it works, would be good to see the religious orders finally brought to justice for something.


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  • #301
    I Heart Internet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭I Heart Internet


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Correct me if I am wrong but I thought the RCC was the RCC regardless of were the order came from ? Seems semantics about nuns from another country that were partial meaning not in full control.

    Quandary seemed quite put out that RTE had, in his opinion, got it wrong.

    (To answer your question, the RCC is a bunch of different organisations and orders, but, yes, the RCC is the RCC...kinda)


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