Alexander Shulgin, 'Godfather of ecstasy', dies aged 88

Temptamperu · 03-06-2014 07:04PM

Ha! my mistake.

must be all the drugs :pac:

desultory · 03-06-2014 07:08PM

Temptamperu wrote: »

Ha! my mistake.

must be all the drugs :pac:

That made me google him thinking I'd missed some major news!

Agent Coulson · 03-06-2014 07:10PM

realies wrote: »

Someone better tell David Bowie he is dead :-)

Bowie needs to let Neil Young know then that he is dead as well

Temptamperu · 03-06-2014 07:11PM

Lets just say its a list of drug users. That are or will be a loss to society.

Howard the Duck · 03-06-2014 07:13PM

Temptamperu wrote: »

They're no loss to society.

Kurt Cobain
Amy Winehouse
David Bowie
Syd Barrett
Neil Young
George Harrison
Brian Wilson
Brian Jones
John Lennon

no loss what so ever. (and thats of the top of my head)

Also Brian Wilson is alive, perhaps not in the best of mental health, probably because of drugs but still alive.

SEPT 23 1989 · 03-06-2014 07:17PM

What a bland grey stale world it would be without men like these opening the doors to the other side ,RIP

rolliepoley · 03-06-2014 07:29PM

“How long will this last, this delicious feeling of being alive, of having penetrated the veil which hides beauty and the wonders of celestial vistas? It doesn't matter, as there can be nothing but gratitude for even a glimpse of what exists for those who can become open to it.”

Alexander Shulgin, Pihkal: A Chemical Love Story.

RIP.

sabat · 03-06-2014 07:40PM

Hmmm, how to pick just one tune to mark the occasion...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLr3dSekkIY

Schwiiing · 03-06-2014 08:24PM

Temptamperu wrote: »

They're no loss to society.

Kurt Cobain
Amy Winehouse
David Bowie
Syd Barrett
Neil Young
George Harrison
Brian Wilson
Brian Jones
John Lennon

no loss what so ever. (and thats of the top of my head)

Most of these either aren't dead or died from form other causes such cancer murder suicide etc. Try again. And as for a loss to society, they wrote a few songs and that's about it. None of them did anything of any real use to every man, woman and child on earth,ie society. None of them cured cancer, ended world hunger, brought us world peace etc. John Lennon tried but much like Bono I reckon it was mostly for show.

mardybumbum · 03-06-2014 08:28PM

Crick discovered the structure of DNA while tripping balls on acid.
Real use to society?

Schwiiing · 03-06-2014 08:29PM

rubadub wrote: »

Is it just the legality issue that bothers you? If a friend of yours died walking home drunk after being hit by a car after illegally drinking in a lock-in after hours would you also have no sympathy?

Speaking from experience, although he didnt die but was injured (thankfully not badly) in the manner you described I can safely say I didnt have any sympathy for him and I told him as such. Taxis were available or the pub owner would have left him home but he was too mean to pay and walked home with no light or hi-vis vest. He was at least 50% responsible.

Schwiiing · 03-06-2014 09:02PM

mardybumbum wrote: »

Crick discovered the structure of DNA while tripping balls on acid.
Real use to society?

Did he discover because he was on LSD or he just happened to be on LSD at the time?

TheGlass · 03-06-2014 09:06PM

Ironically its people like Schwiing that would probably benefit the most from some of the drugs they bitterly and angrily rail against

Schwiiing · 03-06-2014 09:08PM

TheGlass wrote: »

Ironically its people like Schwiing that would probably benefit the most from some of the drugs they bitterly and angrily rail against

Why?

jonnny68 · 03-06-2014 09:10PM

RIP Alexander Shulgin

Viva Acid House
http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=kp&v=xhSB_6EQ0DM

Pwindedd · 03-06-2014 09:14PM

Schwiiing wrote: »

Why?

Because you seem a little erm....tense?

desultory · 03-06-2014 09:15PM

Schwiiing wrote: »

Why?

Drugs tend to enhance people's personalities and you have a shîte one.

jonnny68 · 03-06-2014 09:17PM

Temptamperu wrote: »

He hated the rave scene and though it should just be used in psychology. RIP dude.

He didn't "hate the rave scene" he is quoted as saying he was astounded that Ecstasy and the Rave scene became as big as it was initially as Acid House and then the early Hardcore and Techno scene of the early 90's and the subsequent split in the scene which spawned many different styles.

It is true however without Ecstasy there would've been no Rave scene, Acid House for those old enough to remember these halcyon days was the biggest music revolution since the 60's.

Sunnyisland · 03-06-2014 09:19PM

In an article for Time Magaine in 2002, he said: "Drugs don't do things. They only catalyse what's already there. No drug has skill. It's you who has skill. You only have to know it."

LemonPlant · 03-06-2014 11:29PM

Schwiiing wrote: »

We'll see all the scummers out in force for this thread. The man is responsible for an inordinate amount of needless deaths. Although I have no sympathy for anyone who dies from taking illegal drugs. They're no loss to society.

you are very close minded.

MDMA for example can be under as a therapy for people with real depression.

Sure, you may get thugs that use MDMA but sure, like really, cop on would you?.
Cop the **** on.

Schwiiing · 03-06-2014 11:31PM

LemonPlant wrote: »

Sure, you may get thugs that use MDMA but sure, like really, cop on would you?.
Cop the **** on.

Excellent point well made there. Really changed my point of view on the matter. Well done.

LemonPlant · 03-06-2014 11:35PM

Schwiiing wrote: »

Excellent point well made there. Really changed my point of view on the matter. Well done.

Hi,

I was attacked by thugs on the street, so I'm not supporting thugs or are on thugs side,

BUT why should good people suffer because of some thugs?.
Just because thugs use the drug, does not mean everyone else should have to suffer.

And it is just the beginning, they are finding and discovering new drugs all the time.

Shakespeare's Sister · 03-06-2014 11:47PM

kneemos wrote: »

Drugs kill obviously.

Obviously? Does it say somewhere that drugs caused this 88-year-old's liver cancer?

pablo128 · 04-06-2014 12:02AM

Schwiiing wrote: »

Excellent point well made there. Really changed my point of view on the matter. Well done.

Well consider this then. Your bank manager, estate agent, printer, telecommunications engineer, garda, etc could all have been pill heads at one stage. The above are some of the jobs my clubbing mates from back in the day are doing now.

AngryHippie · 04-06-2014 12:11AM

Temptamperu wrote: »

They're no loss to society.

David Bowie

no loss what so ever. (and thats of the top of my head)

WTF ?

I hope this isn't where I find out Bowie has returned from whence he came ?

And I hope you are wrong.
although.....http://en.necropedia.org/obituary/David_Bowie

some sick people out there

04-06-2014 12:14AM

Putting a side re-discovering MDMA there are several compounds which were synthesized by Shulgin one of these being 2-cb. What a brilliant chemist. For all the people out there who despise recreational drug use, Shulgin would have been on your side. He did not like the culture associated with MDMA usage his original intention was to research the possible therapeutic effects of MDMA and other psychedelic drugs. He also collaborated with the DEA.

I watched a documentary on him a while back and it was a really good watch.

I have had some of the best nights of my life thanks to the discoveries of this genius.

Thank u Sasha and trip in peace!!

pablo128 · 04-06-2014 12:18AM

tolow wrote: »

I have had some of the best nights of my life thanks to the discoveries of this genius.

This.

Calibos · 04-06-2014 12:21AM

pablo128 wrote: »

Well consider this then. Your bank manager, estate agent, printer, telecommunications engineer, garda, etc could all have been pill heads at one stage. The above are some of the jobs my clubbing mates from back in the day are doing now.

Add some local Councillors and probably eventually TD's to that list. I'm not talking about Ming BTW but people I know personally....and I trust them more not less because of it. They weren't young square power-craving Ogra Fianna Failers' straight out of college or anything like that but people who lived and worked in the real world for the last 20 years, with real world balanced perspective on the drugs issue never mind anything else who are getting into politics now as a vocation and not as a career choice. (They're not looney left, People against Profit etc single issue activists either)

RDM_83 again · 04-06-2014 12:24AM

rubadub wrote: »

If he is not a fan of any of those artists he might have listened to something else on an ipod,

“Taking LSD was a profound experience, one of the most important things in my life. LSD shows you that there’s another side to the coin, and you can’t remember it when it wears off, but you know it. It reinforced my sense of what was important—creating great things instead of making money, putting things back into the stream of history and of human consciousness as much as I could.” -Steve Jobs

If Steve Wozniak had said that I would have been a lot more impressed! Also I fail to see how any of what he says really applies to Applies corporate policies or products.

AngryHippie · 04-06-2014 12:27AM

Schwiiing wrote: »

And as for a loss to society, they wrote a few songs and that's about it. None of them did anything of any real use to every man, woman and child on earth,ie society. None of them cured cancer, ended world hunger, brought us world peace etc. John Lennon tried but much like Bono I reckon it was mostly for show.

Okay, so music has little or no significance in your life. I feel bad for you.

Music has brought me closer to people, it has enriched my life, both through the feeling of togetherness and contentment at festivals and gigs, to the venting of anger and expressions of rage at other gigs. And that is just the live music. Recorded music has been there to push me when I exercise, to slow me down when I'm relaxing, to distract me when I'm depressed, to raise me in celebration. If it hasn't done any of those things for you, then you are doing music wrong.
It is one of the most exciting stimulations of the human senses that we have managed to achieve, and for the masters of it, from Abba to ZZ top, I salute you.
Along the way, some of these masters have used herbs and chemicals to alter their mental states, and have returned from their highs with new and exciting sounds to share with the masses, who the fcuk are you to say they are no loss to society ?
Over the years I've taken a few pills, had some awesome nights on them, mostly music related, but once in a while, at a party rather than a gig, just because, and they are a good fun time. certainly, there is a price to pay the next day, but nothing a berocca and an hour in a hot tub can't fix:rolleyes:

For what it's worth, cancer has not been cured, world hunger has not and probably will not be ended. World peace is a pipe dream and if that is your measurement of "real use" to humankind, then you are in for a massive disappointment.
As for Bono, He's been acting the knobhead since Zooropa, and I've had little interest in anything he has said, done, written or recorded since then. He can't have it both ways. He should have stopped recording a long time ago.

RIP Alexander Shulgin

Alexander Shulgin, 'Godfather of ecstasy', dies aged 88

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