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Sky introduce new encryption system to combat piracy (HD Channels have began switch)
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Sky/NDS/SSS would argue that in using the card you are agreeing to the conditions on the card and the paper carrier.
No doubt they would so argue.A contract doesn't need a subscription.
True.I'm being a "Devil's Advocate" here I know, but better than "assumptions".
No problem with that
I would imagine any agreement between Setanta & Sky is:
1) Similar to any agreement Sky have with any other Pay TV channel.
2) Secret.
But I'm making assumptions, guessing and as Spock and Holmes say that's not logical.
As far as I am aware (which is not very far), a contract requires interaction between the parties of the contract or their designated representatives.
If any contract exists it is between me and Setanta.
Setanta at no time referred to themselves as representing Sky.
Neither have I had any direct communication with Sky regarding provision of the BAI S & V programmes.
I have had extensive communications with Setanta on the matter.
If Setanta have misrepresented the situation, I cannot be held responsible.
I have asked and received clarification from them on the matter, so I have done my 'due diligence' when the situation was queried on Boards.
Even if Sky were to take a case against me for mis-use of their card, I very much doubt (to the point of being almost positive) that I would be held at all, even in small part, responsible.
Unless and until Setanta instruct me not to use the card they supplied in anything other than a Sky issued STB, and of course at the same time give me instructions on the alternative method of receiving those programmes, I am quite entitled to use the card that Setanta issued in any STB I choose.
They make it very clear in their communications that any STB may be used.
It might well be that Setanta have a case to answer over their contract with Sky ...... or there might also be an extra clause in their agreement allowing for such use.
I would suggest the second is more likely because that is the way Setanta have been operating for some time.
It also might be the case that this clause/option was not in their renewed contract which would force them to withdraw from offering of FTV cards.
I don't know, any more than you, about the contract so all we can do is to base our opinion on the actions of the parties to the contract.
Sky have never to my knowledge taken an action against anyone for mis-use of a Setanta FTV card.
Setanta openly advertised and provided such cards.
Those two facts are strong indicators that what they were doing was known about and allowed by Sky.
I don't personally use the card ..... my wife does in the kitchen ..... but I saw her watching Sony yesterday so the card must still be working in the Ariva 120.
Next step is to try to find out if the BAI S&V programmes are now 'in the clear' on Setanta.
If so I should be able to watch them on my HTPC which does not have a card slot.
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The chap who invented Card Sharing never considered himself the best hacker in the world.on one side you have the muntiple(s), saying i am keeping all this for themselves, on the other side you have the sub sellers saying that no you dont we require a little from it also, then you have the guy who says i am the best hacker in the world, i can beeat your experts, he will take things so far, then you have another bloke who will take it faurther, and so on until its open season once again. This is a business (both legal and illegal). The biggest problem with commercial piracy is exactly the same as that of Sky: monetisation. The more successful the commercial pirate, the more money it makes. That means that there are bills to be paid and "paper" trails that can be tracked. The more successful the commercial pirates, the easier it is for the channels and the authorities to find them.
Sky has a very big logistical problem in replacing all boxes at once. The main aim will be to replace the CAM which is, in Conditional Access terms, based on old technology. The newer CAMs will be, from what I've read, more hardware intensive in terms of processing. This would make them more difficult to emulate at a software level. The entrance of players like Netflix and Amazon has changed the PayTV business dramatically and Sky is playing catch-up.
Regards...jmcc0 -
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Nearly on the same level of incompetence and stupidity as giving a Mobile Operator money to deliver Broadband. Not a single broadband connection supplied.
When are we going to have proper accountability of Taxpayers's money and sensible management. TV licence is a Tax. So it is taxpayer's money, €137,000 into the pockets of two Pay TV companies.
Hehehehehe .... does anybody expect such any more?
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They dont according to posts made here from the middle of last year. This whole issue was raised by Ger Roe some time back also.
They were still the benificiaries of programmes awarded funding in 2013. Its not small money.
Getting back to the encryption for this whole area. Setanta use Videocrypt from Sky's owned company NDS. It is a requirement in order to to be carried on the Sky platform which they do for epg positioning etc. FTV cards is the only way around this. You do not simply turn off the encryption for one broadcast (but you could, but why would you!).
They would have to if the BAI S&V scheme insisted on FTA for their funded programmes (which they should do, IMO).
So the reason would be .... if their funding is threatened ......
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Johnboy1951 wrote: »They would have to if the BAI S&V scheme insisted on FTA for their funded programmes (which they should do, IMO).
So the reason would be .... if their funding is threatened ......
Money is the only reason I can think of
At a guess they use cards in the hope that people might upgrade to subscription status
Let's face it, it is not that difficult to switch off encryption for individual programmes (presumably no harder than switching to FTV) - certainly easier and cheaper than taking phone calls and then sending out cards to people
EDIT: I realise STB made this point alreadyYou do not simply turn off the encryption for one broadcast (but you could, but why would you!).0 -
radiowaves wrote: »At a guess they use cards in the hope that people might upgrade to subscription status
Let's face it, it is not that difficult to switch off encryption for individual programmes (presumably no harder than switching to FTV) - certainly easier and cheaper than taking phone calls and then sending out cards to people
I agree ...... and would expect nothing less from any company, after all they want to sell their service.
The point is that this should not be allowed to happen, and it is up to those providing the funding to stop it.
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Was wondering if there is any specific advance notice provided by Setanta about the transmission times of such programming?0 -
Johnboy1951 wrote: »I agree ...... and would expect nothing less from any company, after all they want to sell their service.
The point is that this should not be allowed to happen, and it is up to those providing the funding to stop it.
Yes indeed - an insistence that they be available Free to Air over their respective platforms should be the minimum requirement.
Of course, there is the possibility (probability) that Setanta assured the BAI the programming would be available for "free" and/or the BAI don't know the difference between FTV and FTA. 0 -
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