Tax Changes under a Sinn Féin Government

jca · 31-05-2014 11:21AM

super_furry wrote: »

Reintroducing betting tax is a non-starter. How do you enforce that for online gambling? And then if you do attempt to enforce it for online gambling, say goodbye to every single online bookmaker based here.

That in itself would be a great thing for a lot of families.

suicide_circus · 31-05-2014 11:35AM

Karl Stein wrote: »

Is that why places like Somalia have boat loads of refugees from Denmark and Sweden?

No because those countries provided top class services in return for high taxes where as in Ireland the services remain crap and money is lost into bottomless pits such as the HSE and dept of social protection. If we got amazing public services in return for high taxes I don't think many would object. Do you think SF would be able to instigate the provision of world class public services in ireland? Gimme a break.

steddyeddy · 31-05-2014 11:45AM

Taxing the better off proportionally more is not exclusively socialist.

suicide_circus · 31-05-2014 11:49AM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Taxing the better off proportionally more is not exclusively socialist.

But we already have an extremely progressive tax system

steddyeddy · 31-05-2014 11:50AM

One the inheritance tax we need a once off tax free allowance on an asset eg a house. Large inherited wealth needs to be taxed. I presume taxing of unearned income doesn't bother people?

steddyeddy · 31-05-2014 11:51AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

But we already have an extremely progressive tax system

Yes I agree but we are in a recession. Desperate times and all that. Money need to be made somewhere.

homerjay2005 · 31-05-2014 11:54AM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Yep, tax the well paid, give it to the low paid and remove any incentive to have a successful career, study to be a lawyer, doctor etc, or worse still, see all those people move abroad to further their careers.

Dumb down the entire population in otherwise.

and in the meantime, Anto and Deco the two junkies who didnt work a day in their life will continue to get the guts of 800 a month into their wallets, while tracey the single mam rakes in 25k+ in benifits to keep her 4 kids fit and well.

our problems are our spending, not our intake. we should be looking to provide adequate child/healthcare and education programs for the disadvantaged members of our society and not just throw money at them.

Frank Lee Midere · 31-05-2014 11:55AM

steddyeddy wrote: »

One the inheritance tax we need a once off tax free allowance on an asset eg a house. Large inherited wealth needs to be taxed. I presume taxing of unearned income doesn't bother people?

It bothers the bejesus out of me. Funny libertarians don't notice it when they talk about meritocracy.

But Sinn Fein are reducing CAT

theKillerBite · 31-05-2014 11:56AM

Sinn Fein - Loony Plan

Apply the full cost of private care in public hospitals - €432.5million

http://www.sinnfein.ie/budget-2013-summary#.U4mz0PldXCs

So jack up PRSI rates but double-charge the people on what they've already paid for. FCUK RIGHT OFF SOCIALIST SCUM

steddyeddy · 31-05-2014 11:57AM

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

It bothers the bejesus out of me. Funny libertarians don't notice it when they talk about meritocracy.

But Sinn Fein are reducing CAT

I know I disagree with Sinn Fein here. It bothers me too but it bothers me less than cutting frontline health and education.

Phoebas · 31-05-2014 12:03PM

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

But Sinn Fein are reducing CAT

SF, in their budget submission last year, proposed an increase in CAT.

theKillerBite · 31-05-2014 12:08PM

Phoebas wrote: »

SF, in their budget submission last year, proposed an increase in CAT.

Yes it is a double increase. Reducing the thresholds by 25% and increasing the tax to 40%.

Phoebas · 31-05-2014 12:10PM

There'll be a lot fewer people paying SFs higher rates of tax anyway, when they introduce their €100k pay cap in the public service.

theKillerBite · 31-05-2014 12:12PM

Phoebas wrote: »

There'll be a lot fewer people paying SFs higher rates of tax anyway, when they introduce their €100k pay cap in the public service.

Yes because all the doctors, consultants, university lecturers etc will be on the first plane out of here...

steddyeddy · 31-05-2014 12:15PM

theKillerBite wrote: »

Yes because all the doctors, consultants, university lecturers etc will be on the first plane out of here...

Lol a lot of them get paid more here

bumper234 · 31-05-2014 12:21PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

One the inheritance tax we need a once off tax free allowance on an asset eg a house. Large inherited wealth needs to be taxed. I presume taxing of unearned income doesn't bother people?

I have no problem with taxing unearned income, let's start with dole payments shall we?

fiachr_a · 31-05-2014 12:24PM

Sinn Fein doing their best to drive the wealthy out of Ireland and have a country full of minimum-waged workers. What's really needed here is a donating to charity tax!

steddyeddy · 31-05-2014 12:26PM

bumper234 wrote: »

I have no problem with taxing unearned income, let's start with dole payments shall we?

Yes we can do both

steddyeddy · 31-05-2014 12:27PM

fiachr_a wrote: »

Sinn Fein doing their best to drive the wealthy out of Ireland and have a country full of minimum-waged workers. What's really needed here is a donating to charity tax!

Populist tripe.

Phoebas · 31-05-2014 12:30PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Populist tripe.

Aw c'mon - some of their policies aren't so bad.

steddyeddy · 31-05-2014 12:35PM

Phoebas wrote: »

Aw c'mon - some of their policies aren't so bad.

Very intelligent response....

lightspeed · 31-05-2014 12:36PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

In fairness with an attitude like that maybe you should leave.

i could not agree more. Which part of my attitude did you dislike or disagree with?

You feel people like me who work and train for years should have a warmer attitude towards paying for a terribly inefficient, inequitable and unsustainable system like ours ?

You seem to feel like its the civic duty of skilled workers to stay here and pay for the inefficiency of others.

If that is how you feel, then that is something i do disagree with.

Idbatterim · 31-05-2014 12:38PM

Let me clarify something here, I was looking into this yesterday, employers PRSI is 10.75 over E350 ish, so the total tax to pay someone an extra E1000 a year, is E6275! or 62.75%

and in the meantime, Anto and Deco the two junkies who didnt work a day in their life will continue to get the guts of 800 a month into their wallets, while tracey the single mam rakes in 25k+ in benifits to keep her 4 kids fit and well.

our problems are our spending, not our intake. we should be looking to provide adequate child/healthcare and education programs for the disadvantaged members of our society and not just throw money at them.

Yeah I have said this many times, its a pity Europe didnt get even more control over us in future in relation to debt and our spending, in one way, thank god there is someone who will hopefully stop the lunatics running the asylum. Also that 25k tracey is creaming off in benefits, is pretty much what someone earning up to E32,800 i.e up to the marginal rate would be earning after tax. Actually I just worked it out, you would be on E26,613 + your extra work related expenses, you really have to ask who the idiots are!

bumper234 · 31-05-2014 12:50PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Yes we can do both

Excellent, lets put 5% tax rise on all unearned income and slash dole and pensions by the same amount. The country will be out of the red in no time.

steddyeddy · 31-05-2014 12:51PM

bumper234 wrote: »

Excellent, lets put 5% tax rise on all unearned income and slash dole and pensions by the same amount. The country will be out of the red in no time.

Great something we agree on.

bumper234 · 31-05-2014 12:53PM

Idbatterim wrote: »

Let me clarify something here, I was looking into this yesterday, employers PRSI is 10.75 over E350 ish, so the total tax to pay someone an extra E1000 a year, is E6275! or 62.75%

Yeah I have said this many times, its a pity Europe didnt get even more control over us in future in relation to debt and our spending, in one way, thank god there is someone who will hopefully stop the lunatics running the asylum. Also that 25k tracey is creaming off in benefits, is pretty much what someone earning up to E32,800 i.e up to the marginal rate would be earning after tax. Actually I just worked it out, you would be on E26,613 + your extra work related expenses, you really have to ask who the idiots are!

And meanwhile she has her fella who is the father of her kids LIVING with her and bringing in a wage, no wonder they can take over ****holes like Lanzerote every year.

Call Me Jimmy · 31-05-2014 12:54PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

When your bit gets to be a huge amount of your income, why bother working so hard? Get and easier job, earn less (but take home the same) ,enjoy life more.

Same could be said before ye start trying to earn big bucks in the first place?

czx · 31-05-2014 12:55PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Populist tripe.

Moar tax plz

RichardoKhan · 31-05-2014 01:01PM

Doesn't matter a fig even if the tax rate was 99%. Its the collection of said tax rate that is the challenge. Tax avoidance and evasion is rampant in Ireland. So whether its 48%, 32% or 99% the super rich pay very little of it. Seeming entitlement is not limited to one particular element of society.

lightspeed · 31-05-2014 01:09PM

bumper234 wrote: »

And meanwhile she has her fella who is the father of her kids LIVING with her and bringing in a wage, no wonder they can take over ****holes like Lanzerote every year.

I never understood the concept where they move single mothers into standard residential areas, by which i mean the kind of areas other people have to work hard to pay a mortgage for 35 years or more.

If the rule is that they cannot be cohabiting, does the government just assume that when a single mother meets a new partner, she will just phone up revenue to let them know so her benefits will be cut?

Flawless!

Im sure plenty are reading the above, sharpening pitchforks assuming that i have a vendetta against poor single mothers.

I do not. In other countries they have affordable housing estates purposely for people on lower income such as single mothers. We dont have enough affordable housing here.

Here you work hard, eventually persuade the bank to give you a mortgage for you to pay for 35 years along with water taxes and property taxes for which many on welfare will pay less. While if a young single mother gets pregnant, she can claim rent allowance and move next door and live off of welfare.

Its not single mothers i have an issue with. Its the unfair and inequitable system that exists that i have an issue with.

If i work and train to become a skilled worker and pay my mortgage every month along with other taxes, why should someone just have to get pregnant and live in the same area with probably a better standard of living?

Tax Changes under a Sinn Féin Government

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