Catholic-bashing.

Maphisto · 31-05-2014 07:57AM

iwantmydinner wrote: »

You say that as if the Catholic Church wasn't an organisation that presided over the systematic rape of children, followed by a systematic cover up. As if it didn't enslave young, pregnant women and steal their children, selling the babies for profit. As if it didn't starve 800 babies to death and then bury them in a mass, unmarked grave.

Exactly RCC has had it coming for years.

Then add in the popular culture references: Evelyn, Magdlin Sisters, Philomena - that's just a few.

Even if RCC did not have all this baggage, other religions have avoided it. Other religions have the baggage but have managed to avoid the pop culture.

Even without all this religion will die as the internet approaches universal coverage.

jank · 31-05-2014 08:44AM

_Redzer_ wrote: »

By that very statement why are you then bitching about people bashing the church?

Freedom of expression and all that.

And now your bitching about me bitching about you bitching about catholics....yawn.

Regardless, your post was in response to how the RCC 'fights against you constantly by airing views you do not like'. There are lots of organisations that are political, national, religious etc. that air their views regularly which I do not agree with but I would not draw the lines where one has to 'fight back', life is too short for that. People make a mountain out of a mole hill regarding this question as if the RCC is some all powerful force that somehow dictates everybit how someone lives their lives today. It just borders on the usual whine line tactics that those with too much time get up to. Keyboard warriors of the internet unite! should be the atheist slogan

anto9 · 31-05-2014 08:45AM

The Catholic church deserves to be bashed to the ground and a stake driven through its evil heart .The amount of misery they have caused on this Earth is vast .
(me ,ex-Catholic ,and only ever a Catholic as i was brought up as one and told not to question but have faith lol )

Dan_Solo · 31-05-2014 08:50AM

It (and other religions) still exist so it hasn't been bashed half hard enough. Hate the religion, not the religious though of course.

Wibbs · 31-05-2014 09:25AM

--LOS-- wrote: »

Peoples memories are not that short and it's completely warranted.

Or maybe they are? If this was 1954 and not 2014, the chances are high, if not a given that you would be a crawthumper, a god botherer, along with the majority in this thread and I think that's a part of the swing the other way.

jank wrote: »

Well if you bash Islam in public more often then not you are accused of being an islamophobe and a supporter of some right wing scary party. It comes at a price, while bashing Christians or Catholics is like picking apples, easy and more often then not is supported by a certain demography. There is a big mob mentality at play here.

Sure, there always is in such things. Just like there was a mob mentality back in the day. The Catholic church in Ireland didn't exist in a vacuum. Parents, grandparents and great grandparents were its support system. For both good* or ill.

It's in the nature of all cultures. "Oh I could never be a Catholic/Nazi/Communist/Whatever". Sorry, but oh yes you would. Maybe not an ardent or very active one. The Himmlers of the world are generally outliers, but so are the rebels of the world. The vast majority of people go along with things. Turn a blind eye. Feign ignorance. Bend to authority. Go with the flow, like starlings in the wind. Look at this and threads like it. Like I say, I reckon the swing the other way these days is a reaction to that. Deep down I reckon people subconsciously know this and as a sop to themselves cry "not me" and join the chorus of the mob.

*Long before pampered popstars were warbling about feeding the world a large chunk of a generation of Irish men and women were on the ground far from home bringing education and healthcare to some of the poorest in the world. They're almost entirely forgotten today, except in some of those corners of the world. That's left off the balance sheet and I think that's a shame.

RobertKK · 31-05-2014 09:35AM

Catholic bashers are only bigots, right?

_Brian · 31-05-2014 09:50AM

I Think the problem in many cases is that Catholics are seen to support a less than clean organisation in the church.
Many I know attend mass for the religion rather than any unwavering support of the church as a whole.

We were reared catholic, if I thought about it much I'd have to change religion as I don't believe many if the fundamental beleifs. As it is I've become a sort of distant "a la cart" catholic.

So My point is that many Catholics have seperated their religion from the church and are in no way supportive of the church body itself.

I think this current Pope will slowly herald in wide sweeping changes, providing he's not killed off by the hard liners like John Paul the first was in the year of the three Popes.

Legs.Eleven · 31-05-2014 09:58AM

Where do you encounter this "bashing" out of curiosity? Do you see people in real life (enough people to justify your anger) insulting other Catholics? I don't personally and I live in a deeply divided country when it comes to religion.

I see it on the internet mostly but that's about the height of it. I see all kind of "bashing" on the internet of every kind of people. Why are Catholics being singled out?

I hate the Catholic church but I'd never dream of insulting a Catholic (including a few family members) about their beliefs or their choice of religion. I'd actually question just how common this is outside the internet.

Chattastrophe! · 31-05-2014 10:17AM

I'm atheist, I have no belief in or affiliation to any particular religion, however I have nothing against religious people.

There is one religion that unfortunately has a direct impact on my day-to-day life. This is Catholicism. I have a child, therefore I need to think about schools, therefore - the way the country is now - I need take this into consideration when I decide where I want to live and work, as I (understandably) don't want him indoctrinated into any faith.

This is really unfair. I should have the option to live anywhere I want to in this country, and to have my child attend a school where he won't be indoctrinated into (or influenced by) any specific faith.

Catholic schools should certainly be an option, but not the default.

Until we have the option of indoctrination-free schooling for all children, I think it's a bit much for anyone to be giving out about "Catholic-bashing". :rolleyes:

I just want nothing to do with the religion ... I just wish they'd do me the same favour, get out of our society, let those who wish to practice it do so, but leave the rest of us alone!

wendell borton · 31-05-2014 10:20AM

Some Catholics like to be bashed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortification_of_the_flesh

gctest50 · 31-05-2014 10:23AM

Ireland had its own turbo-gimp : Matt Talbot

catbear · 31-05-2014 10:28AM

Is pointing out an organisations own contradictions bashing?

I would consider it helpful.

FTA69 · 31-05-2014 10:30AM

jank wrote: »

Well if you bash Islam in public more often then not you are accused of being an islamophobe and a supporter of some right wing scary party. It comes at a price, while bashing Christians or Catholics is like picking apples, easy and more often then not is supported by a certain demography. There is a big mob mentality at play here.

The fact is though, that Islamophobia is a major pillar of the far right in Europe today. Thankfully we've largely moved on from the days where people portray blacks as inferior beings, instead this has been replaced with the far-right attempting to create some "Battle of the Civilisations" in various countries over religion. In places like England and France this is often intrinsically linked with traditional racist and xenophobic sentiment.

As an athiest I think all religions are a load of sh*t and I've no problem criticising faith-based approaches. However, I can also see that most of the anti-Islamic criticism in the country I live with often comes with a pretty sinister agenda.

Likewise your notion that Islam is off-limits is largely fallacious I think, if anything Islam and Muslims are often demonised in the media and the body politic. One only has to look at some of the statements from the likes of Robinson and UKIP to see that.

cabb8ge · 31-05-2014 10:32AM

FullblownRose wrote: »

You see unable to separate the actions of those individuals responsible for the atrocities with the members of the r.c church as a whole. Your language is quite militant and combative. I don't personally feel that anyone has hit me over the head with a bible nor have I been forced coerced or indoctrinated, i simply excercised my free will and made my own mind up. I don't think it is logical to attempt to make a stand against inustice by attacking a whole religion any more than it would make sense to blame Nigeria for Boko Haram.

Hatred is like that, unfortunately.

31-05-2014 10:35AM

Even on thread trying to highlight the sickening amount of catholic bashing in after hours, a good few posts are insulting and bashing the catholic. It's getting very tiresome reading the constant crap sprouted by the anti-catholic brigade.

catallus · 31-05-2014 10:37AM

The legacy of the 20th century has proved that the abandonment of religious belief is a grave folly. The surrender of the transcendental is mere vanity which plunges all of mankind in jeopardy. The imagination of man is nothing but evil for all the long day! To depend on it as a moral compass is the path to Abaddon.

Wibbs · 31-05-2014 10:40AM

eh... wut? *looks at shoes* Not sure if serious.

weldoninhio · 31-05-2014 10:42AM

Anyone who believes in a higher being in this day and age deserves ridicule. Be they Catholic, Islamic, Protestant. It's outdated, and ridiculous. The hypocrisy of these organisations, all of them, is pathetic.

Delirium · 31-05-2014 10:45AM

catallus wrote: »

The legacy of the 20th century has proved that the abandonment of religious belief is a grave folly. The surrender of the transcendental is mere vanity which plunges all of mankind in jeopardy. The imagination of man is nothing but evil for all the long day! To depend on it as a moral compass is the path to Abaddon.

Tell that to the unmarried mothers (and their children that were given up for adoption) shipped such places as the one in Tuam.

FTA69 · 31-05-2014 10:47AM

Ailani Slow Sunburn wrote: »

Even on thread trying to highlight the sickening amount of catholic bashing in after hours, a good few posts are insulting and bashing the catholic. It's getting very tiresome reading the constant crap sprouted by the anti-catholic brigade.

Can you not see why people would be understandably aggrieved with Catholicism in Ireland?

Maphisto · 31-05-2014 10:50AM

catallus wrote: »

The legacy of the 20th century has proved that the abandonment of religious belief is a grave folly. The surrender of the transcendental is mere vanity which plunges all of mankind in jeopardy. The imagination of man is nothing but evil for all the long day! To depend on it as a moral compass is the path to Abaddon.

Ailani Slow Sunburn wrote: »

Even on thread trying to highlight the sickening amount of catholic bashing in after hours, a good few posts are insulting and bashing the catholic. It's getting very tiresome reading the constant crap sprouted by the anti-catholic brigade.

You two are buddies right?

Pwindedd · 31-05-2014 10:52AM

Ailani Slow Sunburn wrote: »

Even on thread trying to highlight the sickening amount of catholic bashing in after hours, a good few posts are insulting and bashing the catholic. It's getting very tiresome reading the constant crap sprouted by the anti-catholic brigade.

I would suggest not reading it as a course of action to avoid it. It's very effective. I don't believe in Catholicism as a religion, nor any other religion for that matter. Individuals who chose to participate in the faith are perfectly at liberty to do so, I would never criticise a Catholic for this. But I can voice my opinions on Catholicism and it's impact on the world I live in. They are merely that. Opinions. I very rarely see personal attacks on Catholics in here.

Fortunately my child is nearly out of the school system, and Catholicism has very little bearing on my life day to day. I'm surrounded by Catholics everyday and religion rarely comes into play in my daily doings. Being Atheist does not always equate to being Anti-Catholic.

Satriale · 31-05-2014 10:52AM

Ailani Slow Sunburn wrote: »

Even on thread trying to highlight the sickening amount of catholic bashing in after hours, a good few posts are insulting and bashing the catholic. It's getting very tiresome reading the constant crap sprouted by the anti-catholic brigade.

If you want tiresome, try not baptising your children, and listening to normally reasonable family and friends harassing you for years about your decision not to indoctrinate them.

fcuk religion and the donkey it rode in on...

Pawn · 31-05-2014 10:56AM

FullblownRose wrote: »

It's all the rage! Anyone else finding it tiresome? A bit hypocrytical, an excuse to be self righteous?

The Subway menu was changed to include Muslims and their culture, yet bashing the Catholics is very common.

Twisted logic and sick tollerance*

*which I will not follow no matter what.

Legs.Eleven · 31-05-2014 11:00AM

Pawn wrote: »

The Subway menu was changed to include Muslims and their culture, yet bashing the Catholics is very common.

Twisted logic and sick tollerance*

*which I will not follow no matter what.

Genuinely? You hear people bashing Catholic in real life? On a regular basis? And you like to see more Islam bashing to balance things out a bit, yeah?

FTA69 · 31-05-2014 11:02AM

Pawn wrote: »

The Subway menu was changed to include Muslims and their culture, yet bashing the Catholics is very common.

Twisted logic and sick tollerance*

*which I will not follow no matter what.

185 shops in the UK use halal food due to their location in areas with high Muslim populations. It was a business decision on their part.

There are 1500 Subway outlets in the UK. Nobody is taking over anything. Relax.

Pawn · 31-05-2014 11:03AM

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

Genuinely? You hear people bashing Catholic in real life? On a regular basis?

Yes, it appears to be kinda "cool" to some people.

Pawn · 31-05-2014 11:04AM

FTA69 wrote: »

Relax.

I am relaxed, a bit of a hangover in me though... Religious thread in AH is not a good idea for me

Legs.Eleven · 31-05-2014 11:04AM

Pawn wrote: »

Yes, it appears to be kinda "cool" to some people.

Oh yeah? Funny how I never encounter it at all outside the internet. Strange.

FTA69 · 31-05-2014 11:05AM

Pawn wrote: »

I am relaxed, a bit of a hangover in me though...

A turkey bacon footlong will cure what ails ya!

Catholic-bashing.

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