Girls gang raped in India

--LOS-- · 31-05-2014 06:21AM

and people complain about feminists

Overheal · 31-05-2014 06:22AM

eviltwin wrote: »

Recorded rapes does not equal actual rapes.

In that case no need to worry right?

Tilikum · 31-05-2014 06:44AM

I read yesterday a guy can murder his wife, then go to her family and apologise, or offer the family money. I think it was called 'honour money' and if the family accept, the case against him will be dropped.

I MEAN WTF?

In my honest opinion it is the worst country on the planet. These scumbag rapists should either be shot or thrown into general population with the other prisoners. Actually that goes for any country. Rapists & paedos should be put into general population in all prisons. I bet it would cut numbers waaay down.

What's to stop these scumbags if they know all that will happen to them is, they'll get put into a cell with another paedo/rapist. Where they can spend their days chatting/getting off on what done.

I tell ya, I would sort this **** out in no time at all.

Fact.

Nodin · 31-05-2014 07:05AM

Tilikum wrote: »

I read yesterday a guy can murder his wife, then go to her family and apologise, or offer the family money. I think it was called 'honour money' and if the family accept, the case against him will be dropped.

I MEAN WTF?

In my honest opinion it is the worst country on the planet. .

Pakistan is where that happened, bot India.n

Tilikum · 31-05-2014 07:24AM

Nodin wrote: »

Pakistan is where that happened, bot India.n

Oh!

tritium · 31-05-2014 07:42AM

Tilikum wrote: »

I read yesterday a guy can murder his wife, then go to her family and apologise, or offer the family money. I think it was called 'honour money' and if the family accept, the case against him will be dropped.

I MEAN WTF?

In my honest opinion it is the worst country on the planet. These scumbag rapists should either be shot or thrown into general population with the other prisoners. Actually that goes for any country. Rapists & paedos should be put into general population in all prisons. I bet it would cut numbers waaay down.

What's to stop these scumbags if they know all that will happen to them is, they'll get put into a cell with another paedo/rapist. Where they can spend their days chatting/getting off on what done.

I tell ya, I would sort this **** out in no time at all.

Fact.

Honour money tends to be more common in the middle east. It would apply to most violent crime regardless of the gender of the victim.

Tilikum · 31-05-2014 07:49AM

tritium wrote: »

Honour money tends to be more common in the middle east. It would apply to most violent crime regardless of the gender of the victim.

It's madness

tritium · 31-05-2014 08:15AM

--LOS-- wrote: »

and people complain about feminists

Feminism thread is that way -->

As has been pointed out these poor girls were most likely killed because of the caste they were born into rather than their gender, so please have some respect and stop trying to score political points.

To analogise to Ireland if it happened here it would have been that they were travellers not that they were women

tritium · 31-05-2014 08:33AM

Tilikum wrote: »

It's madness

Yes I don't disagree

Grayson · 31-05-2014 08:37AM

Tilikum wrote: »

In my honest opinion it is the worst country on the planet. .

As bad as it is there are far worse places on the planet.

Tigger · 31-05-2014 09:57AM

In 2011 there were 24,000 (approx )reported rapes in India
Population is 1.2 billion so that's 0.2 rapes per 10,000 or double the reported rated in ireland
However in India many many rapes are purported to go unreported

Wibbs · 31-05-2014 10:37AM

Diego Simeone wrote: »

Glass houses and all that - http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Rapes/Per-capita

http://messymatters.com/rape/

Ireland has a higher rate rate than India.

Oh for god's sake. I wondered how long it would take for this kinda lazy nonsense to rear its head. If you honestly think that a) a woman is safer in India and b) you're making anything approaching a valid point I really just don't know... And no, it's not being a "devils advocate".

tritium wrote:

As has been pointed out these poor girls were most likely killed because of the caste they were born into rather than their gender,

More like both were in play. In the culture women are traditionally seen as lesser and the more rural you go, the more pronounced this gets. Add in the eyeswivelingly daft caste system and you get an already lesser being becoming a disposable object. They're more disposable as women and being untouchables as well they'd be seen by some as little more than beasts. Or even lesser. They'd not string a cow up.

Regardless, if there was ever a incident that could be viewed through the lens of feminism this is most surely one.

Pawn · 31-05-2014 10:40AM

losthorizon wrote: »

Two girls were gang raped and then hanged. We live in a terrible world .

I know it may come in as a shocking surprise but the fact of not having friends on Facebook is a least concern for 90% of the world's population.

Yes, ignorance is bliss.

tritium · 31-05-2014 10:47AM

Wibbs wrote: »

Oh for god's sake. I wondered how long it would take for this kinda lazy nonsense to rear its head. If you honestly think that a) a woman is safer in India and b) you're making anything approaching a valid point I really just don't know... And no, it's not being a "devils advocate".

More like both were in play. In the culture women are traditionally seen as lesser and the more rural you go, the more pronounced this gets. Add in the eyeswivelingly daft caste system and you get an already lesser being becoming a disposable object. They're more disposable as women and being untouchables as well they'd be seen by some as little more than beasts. Or even lesser. They'd not string a cow up.

Regardless, if there was ever a incident that could be viewed through the lens of feminism this is most surely one.

I think you're wrong in this case wibbs. While there have been some pretty shocking rape incidents recently there is a far more prevalent problem with how the untouchable caste are viewed especially in rural areas. India has actually tried to be seen to be tough on sex crime of late because they know how much damage its doing to their image. Social class based crime is however another matter. Have a Google on how the untouchables are treated in some parts of India (male and female) and come back to me if you still disagree

Wibbs · 31-05-2014 10:55AM

Oh sure T, the caste system is beyond belief in its stupidity in the 21st century. Hell it looked daft in the 10th century. At the time one Muslim trader from Arabia observed it firsthand and I think he'd forgive my translation of his classical Arabic into "what the everlivin fuq is this madness?". And yes caste played a huge part in this odious crime and crimes like it. However the fact of their gender made them even lesser. Within whatever caste you are from low to high, women are considered lesser across the board in the culture.

tritium · 31-05-2014 11:32AM

Wibbs wrote: »

Oh sure T, the caste system is beyond belief in its stupidity in the 21st century. Hell it looked daft in the 10th century. At the time one Muslim trader from Arabia observed it firsthand and I think he'd forgive my translation of his classical Arabic into "what the everlivin fuq is this madness?". And yes caste played a huge part in this odious crime and crimes like it. However the fact of their gender made them even lesser. Within whatever caste you are from low to high, women are considered lesser across the board in the culture.

And your first point is why I think feminism isn't the right lens to view this through- even if everyone in that caste was equal they'd still be the victims in their society.

(Probably should take this back in topic though)

positron · 31-05-2014 12:09PM

I mentioned this before in the case of Delhi gange rape, there has been a massive explosion of news media in India in last decade or so. The country has changed dramatically, and if someone as much as slip and fall over a banana peel, you can put your money that it will be on some local media station's evening news. Okay that is some exaggeration, but you get the idea. The sum of all that is that now everything is getting reported, and some of it makes national headlines too (some of which then catch eye of the foreign media, and then you and I would post it here on boards and debate).

Truth is and remains that there are rapes and all other crimes going on in India like any other society in the world. Certain arears of India with huge uneducated rural population things are a bit worse. Now that there's a news reporter and a camera can at every junction, a lot of the crimes gets reported on media first before the Police even gets to the scene.

Anyway, country is rapidly changing and 90% of the 1.x billion people of India are horrified by these news reports just like how we are, and they usually gets out and protests. You can say many bad things about Indians, but they are not apathetic to the democratic system - for instance in last general elections, some 67% turned out of vote.

Lightning fast change is going on India. We just see some frames of it and react. I can guarantee you that the situation on the ground is way different from the perception one might get from reading these reports.

StinkyMunkey · 31-05-2014 01:07PM

Just when I think I can't be shocked, ****e like this emerges. I could care less about your religion or what country you are from, how a person can do that to another human is beyond me. Hopefully it's a fast track execution for them, the more messy the better, sends a clear message to these sub humans.

Mike747 · 31-05-2014 02:13PM

major bill wrote: »

I know it's the sunday world but the quote at the end is shocking

http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/crime-desk/donal-macintyre-s-crime-cafe/teenage-girls-gang-raped-and-hung-from-tree

no time for rapists so if there is no shadow of doubt the people are guilty then a pad saw to the mickey is good enough punishment.

Can feed it to the human rights PC gang afterwards if they give out

Say that when you get falsely accused of rape.

The Diabolical Monocle · 31-05-2014 02:24PM

Eye for an eye.
Bring out Bubba.

wes · 31-05-2014 02:54PM

StinkyMunkey wrote: »

Hopefully it's a fast track execution for them, the more messy the better, sends a clear message to these sub humans.

Life in an Indian prison, would be infinitely worse than any execution. An execution would be a mercy for these men if you ask me.

31-05-2014 03:09PM

StinkyMunkey wrote: »

Just when I think I can't be shocked, ****e like this emerges. I could care less about your religion or what country you are from, how a person can do that to another human is beyond me. Hopefully it's a fast track execution for them, the more messy the better, sends a clear message to these sub humans.

It's deciding that certain sections of society are sub human that creates these situations to begin with. You don't cancel out brutality with more brutality.

The attitudes towards scheduled castes and tribes, the religious and implicit as well as explicit societal sanctions on the conditions and deprivations that Dalit people experience, all these things brutalise a huge section of Indian society, and it's from that background that atrocities committed both by and against the lowest Castes prosper.

Over 16% of the 1.22 billion population are Dalit people, more than one hundred and sixty million people. Even in a country as huge and diverse as India, that's quite a concentration at the bottom of society's ladder, and the concentration of Dalit is much greater in four key states, where the crimes are also concentrated.

No one should be treated as subhuman regardless of their crimes, the cost to all humans is too high and it adds credence to the status quo to use these words as justification to perpetuate a cycle of brutality.

31-05-2014 03:33PM

The fact that it went beyond rape and into basically lynching makes me wonder if there was some kind of feud going on rather than the girls being chosen apparently randomly.

--LOS-- · 31-05-2014 03:38PM

tritium wrote: »

Feminism thread is that way -->

As has been pointed out these poor girls were most likely killed because of the caste they were born into rather than their gender, so please have some respect and stop trying to score political points.

To analogise to Ireland if it happened here it would have been that they were travellers not that they were women

The point is, is that it is a global issue, I'm not just biased towards Ireland you know. I care about female or male discrimination worldwide. I think it is clear that women still suffer and are enslaved a lot more in general, because of a lot of cultures which really de-value women. I don't think anyone could deny that.

tritium · 31-05-2014 05:32PM

--LOS-- wrote: »

The point is, is that it is a global issue, I'm not just biased towards Ireland you know. I care about female or male discrimination worldwide. I think it is clear that women still suffer and are enslaved a lot more in general, because of a lot of cultures which really de-value women. I don't think anyone could deny that.

For a second time! This is about the social group they belong to. This is discrimination against women and men based on their social group. No ones denying that women are devalued in some cultures but please don't use the victims of social discrimination to make a political point that doesn't apply here.

UCDVet · 31-05-2014 05:54PM

porsche boy wrote: »

Some countries and various religions put different values on the life of a female over a male. For this reason alone I find it difficult to have respect for these nations and religions, actually I dont find it difficult, I find it impossible. Similar to the 25 year old girl who was stoned to death last week by her family for marrying the man she loved. Anybody who places lesser value on females over males and proceeds to carry out some kind of attack on that basis should have their c0ck chopped off. Any religious people that promotes this ideal should be called out for what they really are, ignorant sexest close minded pr1cks.

Are there any cultures that DON'T have different values of the life of a female verse male?

bb1234567 · 31-05-2014 06:43PM

Diego Simeone wrote: »

Glass houses and all that - http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Rapes/Per-capita

http://messymatters.com/rape/

Ireland has a higher rate rate than India.

I dont think two 14 year old girls have ever been gang raped and hanged in ireland

Ireland may have a higher rate of sexual assaults but the sexual assaults seem to be much less brutal than in india

aloyisious · 06-06-2014 12:57AM

With an attitude amongst senior Indian Politicians like the one quoted in this report - http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/asia-pacific/rape-sometimes-right-sometimes-wrong-indian-politician-says-1.1821826 - it's obvious that rapes will continue unabated there.

Lou.m · 06-06-2014 01:22AM

tritium wrote: »

I think you're wrong in this case wibbs. While there have been some pretty shocking rape incidents recently there is a far more prevalent problem with how the untouchable caste are viewed especially in rural areas. India has actually tried to be seen to be tough on sex crime of late because they know how much damage its doing to their image. Social class based crime is however another matter. Have a Google on how the untouchables are treated in some parts of India (male and female) and come back to me if you still disagree

Especially the kids.

I saw a documentary a few years ago about street kids both boys and girls were routinely abused sexually police knew and often did nothing. It was heart ripping. SO disturbing.

Lou.m · 06-06-2014 01:23AM

bb1234567 wrote: »

I dont think two 14 year old girls have ever been gang raped and hanged in ireland Ireland may have a higher rate of sexual assaults but the sexual assaults seem to be much less brutal than in india

We have a mass grave in Galway full of children (that feels awful to say) are you so sure?

Girls gang raped in India

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