Girls gang raped in India

losthorizon · 29-05-2014 07:03PM #1

I know there have been some shocking stories recently but this just seems the worst of the lot. Two girls were gang raped and then hanged. We live in a terrible world .

I know India is a massive nation and its going to have quite a percentage of the terrible news items going around but this problem seems to be out of control.

http://www.euronews.com/2014/05/29/teenage-girls-gang-raped-and-hanged-in-india/

Rory Gallagher · 29-05-2014 07:06PM

losthorizon wrote: »

I know there have been some shocking stories recently but this just seems the worst of the lot. Two girls were gang raped and then hanged. We live in a terrible world .

I know India is a massive nation and its going to have quite a percentage of the terrible news items going around but this problem seems to be out of control.

http://www.euronews.com/2014/05/29/teenage-girls-gang-raped-and-hanged-in-india/

It's garnering more coverage maybe but India has had this sort of issue occurring for many years.

Penny Tration · 29-05-2014 07:06PM

What an awful, horrific story. Those poor girls

dodderangler · 29-05-2014 07:07PM

They're pure scum.
No ifs or buts about it
They're just scumbags and I honestly feel same should be done to them.

Amirani · 29-05-2014 07:08PM

Glass houses and all that - http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Rapes/Per-capita

http://messymatters.com/rape/

Ireland has a higher rate rate than India.

eviltwin · 29-05-2014 07:09PM

Diego Simeone wrote: »

Glass houses and all that - http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Rapes/Per-capita

Ireland has a higher rate rate than India.

Recorded rapes does not equal actual rapes.

Iwasfrozen · 29-05-2014 07:09PM

Diego Simeone wrote: »

Glass houses and all that - http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Rapes/Per-capita

http://messymatters.com/rape/

Ireland has a higher rate rate than India.

India isn't on that list.

Amirani · 29-05-2014 07:10PM

eviltwin wrote: »

Recorded rapes does not equal actual rapes.

It's the only reasonable comparative statistic we have.

porsche boy · 29-05-2014 07:12PM

Some countries and various religions put different values on the life of a female over a male. For this reason alone I find it difficult to have respect for these nations and religions, actually I dont find it difficult, I find it impossible. Similar to the 25 year old girl who was stoned to death last week by her family for marrying the man she loved. Anybody who places lesser value on females over males and proceeds to carry out some kind of attack on that basis should have their c0ck chopped off. Any religious people that promotes this ideal should be called out for what they really are, ignorant sexest close minded pr1cks.

29-05-2014 07:13PM

Diego Simeone wrote: »

Glass houses and all that - http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Rapes/Per-capita

Ireland has a higher rate rate than India.

Even though already vastly unreported, the vast majority of crimes against Dalit people in India, in particular girls and women, remain unrecorded by the police. Of those that are recorded, a minority are investigated and a tiny proportion brought to trial. Of those brought to trial, in some places less than 10% result in a conviction. Of those convicted, a minority are given custodial sentences.

http://archive.indianexpress.com/news/of-every-100-held-in-haryana-for-crime-against-dalits-92-walk-free/1147472/

Out of every 100 people accused of or arrested on charges of committing crimes against the Dalits, more than 92 walk free after the court trials. This translates into a conviction rate of merely 7.9 per cent.

Crimes against Dalit people are almost consequence free in many parts of India.

major bill · 29-05-2014 07:14PM

I know it's the sunday world but the quote at the end is shocking

http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/crime-desk/donal-macintyre-s-crime-cafe/teenage-girls-gang-raped-and-hung-from-tree

no time for rapists so if there is no shadow of doubt the people are guilty then a pad saw to the mickey is good enough punishment.

Can feed it to the human rights PC gang afterwards if they give out

Amirani · 29-05-2014 07:30PM

Candie wrote: »

Even though already vastly unreported, the vast majority of crimes against Dalit people in India, in particular girls and women, remain unrecorded by the police. Of those that are recorded, a minority are investigated and a tiny proportion brought to trial. Of those brought to trial, in some places less than 10% result in a conviction. Of those convicted, a minority are given custodial sentences.

http://archive.indianexpress.com/news/of-every-100-held-in-haryana-for-crime-against-dalits-92-walk-free/1147472/

Crimes against Dalit people are almost consequence free in many parts of India.

I agree on both of these points, and I am playing devil's advocate to an extent.

India as a whole does have some serious problems with rape (and other crimes), particularly with regard to certain societal groups. However, I haven't really seen any compelling evidence that suggests that it is a complete outlier with regard to reported or unreported rapes.

I'd be very weary of people branding India as a nation of rapists (which I've seen some do) simply because they don't understand how big a number 1 billion is.

29-05-2014 07:42PM

Diego Simeone wrote: »

I'd be very weary of people branding India as a nation of rapists (which I've seen some do) simply because they don't understand how big a number 1 billion is.

I know how big a billion is

. There are huge disparities between the numbers of admitted rapes, but even the lowest rates of admission are horrific.

http://idsn.org/caste-discrimination/key-issues/dalit-women/india/

A three-year study of 500 Dalit women’s experiences of violence across four Indian states shows that the majority of Dalit women report having faced one or more incidents of verbal abuse (62.4%), physical assault (54.8%), sexual harassment and assault (46.8%), domestic violence (43.0%) and rape (23.2%).

http://www.icl-fi.org/print/english/wh/222/India.html

A March 2006 study of violence against dalit women by the National Campaign on Dalit Human Rights reported that out of 500 women studied, 116 had been raped or gang-raped; among the perpetrators, “dominant caste landlords emerged as the most prominent group”.

Dowry deaths and honour killings are not uncommon, the more rural the woman's home, the more likely she is to fall victim.

India is a huge and diverse country with much to be proud of. The lives of many of the scheduled castes and tribes would not be among those things.

tritium · 29-05-2014 08:11PM

Candie wrote: »

Even though already vastly unreported, the vast majority of crimes against Dalit people in India, in particular girls and women, remain unrecorded by the police. Of those that are recorded, a minority are investigated and a tiny proportion brought to trial. Of those brought to trial, in some places less than 10% result in a conviction. Of those convicted, a minority are given custodial sentences.

http://archive.indianexpress.com/news/of-every-100-held-in-haryana-for-crime-against-dalits-92-walk-free/1147472/

Crimes against Dalit people are almost consequence free in many parts of India.

This!

Seems that there's an historical cultural attitude in some parts of India, especially rural areas, that the so called 'untouchables' are dirt to be used and abused as you wish. Years of legislation seems to have done little to change it in some parts

pow wow · 29-05-2014 08:34PM

Would have thought the fact that they were also murdered would have made it into your thread title OP.

Pumpkinseeds · 29-05-2014 09:32PM

I heard on the news this morning that some of the rapists were police and that when the fathers went to the police station to report the girls missing they were immediately told that the girls were hanging from a tree. Add to this the fact that a family beat a pregnant woman to death in an 'honour killing' for marrying someone they didn't choose.

India has a horrendous record of crimes against females. It seems to be so entrenched in so many men there. I'm not criticising all Indian men, I'm just saying that it seems to be socially acceptable. Police standing by watching a couple of dozen people beat a pregnant woman to death outside a court and rape is out of control.

pragmatic1 · 29-05-2014 09:37PM

Nearly made me physically sick when I read about it. Disgusting the way women are treated in many sections of Indian society.

Tail Docker · 29-05-2014 10:02PM

Diego Simeone wrote: »

I agree on both of these points, and I am playing devil's advocate to an extent.

I thought you worked as a state advocate tbh. What happened? Devil offer better pay?

29-05-2014 10:12PM

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

I heard on the news this morning that some of the rapists were police and that when the fathers went to the police station to report the girls missing they were immediately told that the girls were hanging from a tree. Add to this the fact that a family beat a pregnant woman to death in an 'honour killing' for marrying someone they didn't choose.

India has a horrendous record of crimes against females. It seems to be so entrenched in so many men there. I'm not criticising all Indian men, I'm just saying that it seems to be socially acceptable. Police standing by watching a couple of dozen people beat a pregnant woman to death outside a court and rape is out of control.

That incident happened in Pakistan, not India.

Atlantic Dawn · 30-05-2014 11:56PM

Why do we give aid to such countries, they shouldn't get one cent from Ireland until they join the developed world.

Icepick · 31-05-2014 12:01AM

Caste system, another fine invention of a religious mind.

Icepick · 31-05-2014 12:04AM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Why do we give aid to such countries, they shouldn't get one cent from Ireland until they join the developed world.

They get help to join the developed world.
And we havent fully joined yet either. For example, abortion rights in this country are a travesty that doesn't belong to the developed world.

smurgen · 31-05-2014 12:13AM

there's not adequate words to register my disgust.anyone who aided,enabled these sub humans either before,during or after the rape/killings should be done away with. I can honestly say that reading that has ruined my night ffs

robertxxx · 31-05-2014 12:18AM

Savages would be putting it nicely.

Pure muck!

B.A._Baracus · 31-05-2014 12:39AM

too many rape stories coming from India. but they're not just rape, but gang rape

Cut the balls of these people.

woodoo · 31-05-2014 12:43AM

What a backward arsed kip India is.

mcko · 31-05-2014 12:49AM

And their ambassador lectured us about the Savita case.

CiDeRmAn · 31-05-2014 05:41AM

To be fair, India is simply vast, a massive massive country.
Actually is more like a federation of different countries, each region with different cultures and practices.
I am lucky enough to work alongside a number of staff from the subcontinent and they are all decent and morally as outraged as the rest of the world about these crimes.
If there is an area where such discrimination and brutality is tolerated the forces of law and order in that democratic country should take action.
If the local police is complicit, as suggested, then they have failed in their duty and should also be brought to justice.
The horror of it is that a group is so dehumanised that others feel they have the right to treat them like a piece of rubbish.
There is much work needed to change this, I don't know how on a earth you'd start, given how travellers have been treated in this country, along with countless other groups in our history, be it gays, unmarried mothers, women who marry and want to continue working, Jews and other immigrants, all have been scapegoats and foci of abuse over the years.

RDM_83 again · 31-05-2014 05:53AM

^^^^
Well their new leader is considered by many to be complicit in fomenting and tolerating violence against the Muslim minority in his previous role.
Before I get accused of whataboutery as an outsider India seems to have a massive problem with inequality and toleration of brutality against the powerless, this seems to apply across genders in relation to caste, is Dalits mans life any better protected than a Dalits woman I don't think so. By the way I am not arguing that India doesn't at least to an outsider to be very sexist, but what stands at least to me is that its more about power

Nodin · 31-05-2014 05:57AM

RDM_83 again wrote: »

^^^^
Well their new leader is considered by many to be complicit in fomenting and tolerating violence against the Muslim minority in his previous role.
Before I get accused of whataboutery as an outsider India seems to have a massive problem with inequality and toleration of brutality against the powerless, this seems to apply across genders in relation to caste, is Dalits mans life any better protected than a Dalits woman I don't think so. By the way I am not arguing that India doesn't at least to an outsider to be very sexist, but what stands at least to me is that its more about power

Certainly its been a factor in some of it, particularily when the Dalit have refused feudal obligations.

Autonomous Cowherd · 31-05-2014 06:19AM

Many many years ago i was molested in India, reported the crime, was immediately bundled onto the back of a police truck, they cornered the guy in the market and took aim with guns. In my desperate fright at what had so quickly escalated into what looked like might be a public execution I said that he was not the guy. I spent a couple of wonderful years in India, but would never move about alone as a woman. There has been a shocking rise in reported rapes and gang rapes. It turns my stomach. The inexpressible horror for those 2 poor children hanging from the tree! It is pure savagery. I have advised my children against travelling there in spite of how much the country and its culture/philosophy and legacy have meant to me all my life. There is a huge social uprising within India against this embedded misogyny and caste discrimination. The vast majority of the noble people of India would be sickened by this savagery. Hopefully the public outcry will begin to change attitudes in the villages. Sentences need to be punitive.

Girls gang raped in India

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