Carl Froch vs George Groves

walshb · 28-05-2014 03:32PM

gimli2112 wrote: »

Think I saw two judges had him only up by a round and the other one was quite close too.

I think Eubanks - Benn - Collins were bigger. Sky ppv hasn't helped boxings popularity imo

As far as I know two judges had Groves 3-4 points up.

Strongbow10 · 28-05-2014 03:47PM

blue4ever wrote: »

Has a time for the match been set yet?

Edit:
Sky have a poll running at the moment

Who will win the rematch?

Froch 53%
Groves 46%
Draw 1%

I'd say Eddie Hearn is dreaming of a screwy type of win for Groves in order to make it a trilogy

Would not be one bit surprised to hear the words "let's do it again" come from Hearn Jnr's mouth after the final bell.

I have to echo Walshb's sentiments, it will be more of the same again from Froch I reckon, don't expect a huge difference in quality, what you see is what you get from Froch.

I expect him to maybe be a little more cagey in the early stages, but I also fully expect Groves to fight alot smarter this time around.

walshb · 28-05-2014 04:02PM

blue4ever wrote: »

Has a time for the match been set yet?

Edit:
Sky have a poll running at the moment

Who will win the rematch?

Froch 53%
Groves 46%
Draw 1%

Fight will begin between 2200-2230 hrs.

MD1990 · 28-05-2014 06:38PM

Eubank Jr looked to be doing very well in the Behind The Ropes footage

megadodge · 28-05-2014 09:42PM

walshb wrote: »

As far as I know two judges had Groves 3-4 points up.

Two judges had Groves only 1 point up. Utterly crazy!
The other judge had it either 5 or 6 points to Groves, which was much more like it. And I'm pro-Froch.

zweton · 28-05-2014 10:06PM

Can i watch this on sky sports on saturday night and what time is it on at?
Was thinking of geting the 24 hour pass from sky sports to watch it.

obezyana · 28-05-2014 10:23PM

zweton wrote: »

Can i watch this on sky sports on saturday night and what time is it on at?
Was thinking of geting the 24 hour pass from sky sports to watch it.

It's only on box office from Ireland it's 21euro.

JacksonHeightsOwn · 28-05-2014 11:29PM

Rumours going around that Froch has been dropped by both Eubank Jr and some other sparring partner in the lead up to this fight.

I have to say, going by the footage of him sparring earlier on the Behind The Ropes Episode, that would not surprise me in the slightest. He looked terrible in there against Eubank jr.

Henno30 · 28-05-2014 11:54PM

MD1990 wrote: »

Eubank Jr looked to be doing very well in the Behind The Ropes footage

Billy Joe doesn't think too much of him

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K79QXpJ395c

obezyana · 29-05-2014 08:30AM

Haha that's one funny interview.

kryogen · 29-05-2014 08:57AM

Think I might throw a cover bet on Groves for this now, can't shake this nagging feeling he is going to pull it out the last few days....... Would prefer to see him and his big mouth firmly shut up though. Not that I am a huge Froch fan, but I can respect what he has achieved and Groves has bugged me so much, that despite liking him in the ring I just can't stand his out of the ring hype personality

Praetorian22 · 29-05-2014 08:59AM

Froch for the win ! He seems calm and focused I'd say he's realized how much of a wake up call the last fight was. I expect it to be a great fight although I also suspect Jim Watt will be talking his usual nonsense on the commentary.

walshb · 29-05-2014 09:01AM

Praetorian22 wrote: »

Froch for the win ! He seems calm and focused I'd say he's realized how much of a wake up call the last fight was. I expect it to be a great fight although I also suspect Jim Watt will be talking his usual nonsense on the commentary.

Watt can be tough to listen to. He's not the worst though. Froch can't afford to be too calm and cautious as he may see rds flying by. He cannot hope that George tires should the fight go into the later rds. Froch need to work George over from rd 1. Push him back, close distance and make this a close fought brawl. Intriguing match.

Spazdarn · 29-05-2014 09:14AM

I think it's a 50-50 fight, but there are a few factors that mean I'll likely lump a few pound on Groves.

He's younger, he was controlling the last fight, if he doesn't get too brave and just boxes, he shouldn't gas like he did, Froch is all talk about possible retirement too, added to the reports he's been poor in sparring.

It's all going Groves way imo, no matter how calm Froch is this time. I can't abide Groves, so this potential win vexs me!

Alfred Borden · 29-05-2014 11:30AM

I hope Froch does it but cant see past Groves. Will be over a lot earlier than most think too imo.

Strongbow10 · 29-05-2014 11:40AM

Raf32 wrote: »

I hope Froch does it but cant see past Groves. Will be over a lot earlier than most think too imo.

Absolutely agree, lump the cash on Groves here.

Froch is cashing out folks, never wanted this fight in a million years. Talk of approaching it differently by Froch is blown way out of proportion aswell, in order to win he is relying on Groves running out of steam and fighting recklessly again which won't happen.

Froch is wide open to being hit with a right hand and Groves hits hard. Froch will have to start cautiously as I expect Groves to box clever in the early to mid rounds with Froch eating the occasional monster shot when he is in the pocket himself.

Wouldn't pay a blind bit of notice to the sparring tales of Froch being dropped, but whats very telling is even Froch hinting at retirement which he has a few times during the build up to this.

He knows its a huge fight and the whole "mind games" angle is blown out of all proportion. It really had no influence in the first fight either, Froch was taking it seriously despite his protests he just came up against someone better in most departments until Groves got sloppy and got stopped prematurely.

The casuals who are expecting a better and more focused Froch obviously have not watched alot of Carl Froch. He fights one way and he'll do the same again. He'll drop his hands, he'll be there to hit and his best form of defence is his granite chin.

krustydoyle · 29-05-2014 02:50PM

Im not a massive boxing fan lads but ive watched the build up to the previous fight and this..
Froch comes across as a dope, just his attitude and arrogance (Groves is no angel either but comes across more likeable) but
for me its like he hasnt learned anything from the 1st fight.. I hope Groves hammers him

Henno30 · 29-05-2014 03:29PM

Froch took Groves' shots last time out though. He was horribly out of position when he got dropped. I don't know how shopworn Froch is and I don't think anyone can know that for sure, but his resilience is legendary. He is, or at least has been, extremely difficult to discourage and impossible to put away.

If Groves does put him away then it will be a huge achievement and it will launch Groves as a star within the sport. But if he doesn't it remains to be seen if he can stay out of heavy exchanges with Froch.

Groves two best strategies are actually the polar opposite of each other, which makes this fight very interesting. He can throw the kitchen sink at Froch early and look to take him out, or he can box conservatively over 12 rounds and look to outpoint him.

The danger for Groves is the possibility of getting caught between those two strategies, and finding himself in Froch's type of fight. If Carl's chin hasn't been cracked, I don't think I'd back against him in a drawn out war.

Andrew Flexing · 29-05-2014 04:13PM

This is the first fight in a while that Im genuinely excited about! I'm pro Froch. I agree with Henno and I reckon Groves will get dragged into a war on occassion duing this fight. But I also agree with Strongbow that Froch with eat a good few "monster shots". Maybe Froch will finally get his left hand up though as he would be stupid to think that Groves isn't going to look for that shot again! I hadn't heard the rumour of Froch being dropped in sparring! hope not!

Prediction is Groves on unanimous Points decision.

walshb · 29-05-2014 07:32PM

Anyone catch the sparring between Eubank and Froch? Fairly heavy. Some KO shots being thrown.

unknown13 · 29-05-2014 07:44PM

walshb wrote: »

Anyone catch the sparring between Eubank and Froch? Fairly heavy. Some KO shots being thrown.

Hopefully Eubank got hit with most of them.

Officer999 · 29-05-2014 08:02PM

How can people honestly think Groves is going to win this??

Groves is a brilliant fighter, no doubts about that. And he was excellent in the first fight. But he threw everything he had at Froch, and still he couldn't beat Froch. Yes he was winning on the scorecard when it was stopped, but he was tiring big time, Froch was getting the upper hand. Everyone could see Froch becoming better as the fight was going on.

I've never seen Froch fight as bad as that night.....yet he still won. He will improve so much on that performance.
Groves was excellent on that night....still lost.

I don't think Groves can improve on that performance....i really don't. Froch took his eye off the ball that night going into the fight, completely underestimated Groves. He won't make that mistake again. Froch to win with a stoppage after 9/10 rounds

obezyana · 29-05-2014 08:42PM

Officer999 wrote: »

How can people honestly think Groves is going to win this??

Groves is a brilliant fighter, no doubts about that. And he was excellent in the first fight. But he threw everything he had at Froch, and still he couldn't beat Froch. Yes he was winning on the scorecard when it was stopped, but he was tiring big time, Froch was getting the upper hand. Everyone could see Froch becoming better as the fight was going on.

I've never seen Froch fight as bad as that night.....yet he still won. He will improve so much on that performance.
Groves was excellent on that night....still lost.

I don't think Groves can improve on that performance....i really don't. Froch took his eye off the ball that night going into the fight, completely underestimated Groves. He won't make that mistake again. Froch to win with a stoppage after 9/10 rounds

Yes Froch won but he won by a very dubious decision.

Again yes George was tiring who wouldn't after what he put into the fight but to be honest Froch wasn't really getting any better, George's fatigue helped Froch out.

It will be an interesting fight I hope George wins but iv a feeling Froch will win it. He will need to box clever in order to win and the last fight taught him not to underestimate George so I think he is some what wiser and respectful he will get the decision after 12 tough rounds of boxing.

Personally I hope George knocks him out.

Andrew Flexing · 29-05-2014 10:18PM

krustydoyle wrote: »

Im not a massive boxing fan lads but ive watched the build up to the previous fight and this..
Froch comes across as a dope, just his attitude and arrogance (Groves is no angel either but comes across more likeable) but
for me its like he hasnt learned anything from the 1st fight.. I hope Groves hammers him

I couldn't disagree more. I don't think Groves is one bit likeable. Rubix cube at the press conference, all the stupid remarks, pulling Froch at the handshake, acting really immature...I think Froch comes across so much more mature and likeable....

its funny how we perceive people differently I guess!

Officer999 · 29-05-2014 10:22PM

obezyana wrote: »

Yes Froch won but he won by a very dubious decision.

Again yes George was tiring who wouldn't after what he put into the fight but to be honest Froch wasn't really getting any better, George's fatigue helped Froch out.

It will be an interesting fight I hope George wins but iv a feeling Froch will win it. He will need to box clever in order to win and the last fight taught him not to underestimate George so I think he is some what wiser and respectful he will get the decision after 12 tough rounds of boxing.

Personally I hope George knocks him out.

That's the thing right there though....Groves had blown his chance at that stage. He had given 100% up until that point and still it wasn't enough. Froch had probably boxed 50% of what he is capable at that stage, yet Groves was the one that was struggling. Groves won't live with a Froch boxing at 100% on Saturday

MD1990 · 29-05-2014 10:24PM

Andrew Flexing wrote: »

I couldn't disagree more. I don't think Groves is one bit likeable. Rubix cube at the press conference, all the stupid remarks, pulling Froch at the handshake, acting really immature...I think Froch comes across so much more mature and likeable....

its funny how we perceive people differently I guess!

what stupid remarks ?
Froch has been the one making childish comments about his breath & receding hair. Froch just seems to get annoyed at how confident Groves is & what he thinks Froch's flaws are.

megadodge · 29-05-2014 10:35PM

MD1990 wrote: »

what stupid remarks ?
Froch has been the one making childish comments about his breath & receding hair. Froch just seems to get annoyed at how confident Groves is & what he thinks Froch's flaws are.

This time round, the closer the fight is getting, the less sure of himself George seems. It's a reversal of the last time round. He's now the one looking and sounding uncertain.

obezyana · 29-05-2014 10:53PM

megadodge wrote: »

This time round, the closer the fight is getting, the less sure of himself George seems. It's a reversal of the last time round. He's now the one looking and sounding uncertain.

What? Have you followed George at all?

He is feeling very confident but him like Froch dumbed it down today at the press conference they know it's time to shut up as the fight is so close, Words mean nothing now.

Andrew Flexing · 29-05-2014 10:57PM

MD1990 wrote: »

what stupid remarks ?
Froch has been the one making childish comments about his breath & receding hair. Froch just seems to get annoyed at how confident Groves is & what he thinks Froch's flaws are.

really?

amkin25 · 29-05-2014 11:07PM

To the people betting on groves i would honestly keep my money in my pocket, i actually had a sizable bet on him in the first fight and was gutted for it to end the way it did,and i might be tempted to bet on froch this time,although i imagine he is odds on too much but you would be stone crazy to bet on groves here.
Groves give the fight of his life and had nothing left,and even though i was gutted at the time and it was a shocking decision i think groves would have been taken out of there and looked terrible in that last round and seemed glad the ref ended it,froch will take him easily this time maybe if not easily a lot easier than last time i guarantee it.

Carl Froch vs George Groves

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