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tayto lover · 28-05-2014 09:50PM

bumper234 wrote: »

How will they "rattle cages"?

They will have speaking time.
They will put their points across.
I don't believe they will go just to claim the expenses.

twowheelsgood · 28-05-2014 09:56PM

tayto lover wrote: »

They will have speaking time.
They will put their points across.
I don't believe they will go just to claim the expenses.

But what actual difference will it make? Which of the various problems experienced by people in Ireland will be alleviated?

SaveOurLyric · 28-05-2014 09:56PM

Fr. Ned wrote: »

What 'sort of people' vote for SF?

Over 500,000 first preferences last Friday.

Now, the popular thing around here is that all SF voters are larger drinking, celtic shirt wearing, unemployable wasters.....ok?

Are these the type of people who would bother their hole to go out and vote?

Just ask yourself that and then think on a bit before you produce any more of your uneducated, childish, sindo inspired brainfarts.

Thats most unfair.

Many SF voters are larger drinking, celtic shirt wearing, unemployable wasters. But my no means all.

Amongst the Chardonnay drinking, Leinster Rugby shirt wearing, employed, productive members of society, there are just as many brainless delusionals as in the first group, willing to vote for a politically meaningless party in search of a purpose and cashing in on the gullibility of those thinking if they vote for anyone other than the parties in power, their lot will improve.

For both groups, its a toss up between voting for SF or an independent, and their brains would probably blow a fuse if they were asked to explain why they chose one group rather than the other.

I heard that McMahon was to make a public speech at the Carthy homecoming shindig this evening. Can anyone confirm ?

tayto lover · 28-05-2014 09:58PM

twowheelsgood wrote: »

But what actual difference will it make? Which of the various problems experienced by people in Ireland will be alleviated?

We will have to wait and see.
What is the point of sending MEP's out at all if you think it makes no difference?
What were the others doing?

Fratton Fred · 28-05-2014 09:58PM

tayto lover wrote: »

They will have speaking time.
They will put their points across.
I don't believe they will go just to claim the expenses.

I'm sure they will go there with good intentions, but they will have zero effectiveness.

How many MEPs do you know of that have ever actually done anything?

tayto lover · 28-05-2014 10:00PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I'm sure they will go there with good intentions, but they will have zero effectiveness.

How many MEPs do you know of that have ever actually done anything?

So is the European elections a waste of time?
If so why didn't FG say so and do something about it?

Woodville56 · 28-05-2014 10:01PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Any working person is seeing a dwindling of take-home pay and an increase in new charges, property tax, water taxes, USC and levies. Its like having a bucket with a hole in it. I'm not too bad but I see young men who are hard working and could barely cope before these new taxes came in. Too much austerity and a Govt afraid to point this out to Europe.

Does anyone really think that the 3 SF MEPs or the other 8 for that matter will make any difference in the European Parliament, the odd rant maybe will raise the curiosity of some of the other 600 MEPs but beyond that I can't see them having much effect - let's not forget who the real power brokers are in Europe - Germany, France, UK etc .. Hasn't Scauble, the German Finance Minister, branded the French National Front crowd as fascists and Merkel remains fully behind the austerity regime throughout Europe, despite the rise of the anti austerity vote. I don't imagine Germany is bothered about what a few leftie Irish MEPs are gonna say in Europe.

Banjo String · 28-05-2014 10:02PM

bumper234 wrote: »

How will they "rattle cages"?

Enda Kenny seemed fierce annoyed at their election successes. It's almost like he didn't want them heading over there, actually questioning people, demanding a reduction on the bank debt for example.

Banjo String · 28-05-2014 10:03PM

twowheelsgood wrote: »

But what actual difference will it make? Which of the various problems experienced by people in Ireland will be alleviated?

Why waste tax payers money sending any of them over(from any party) ?

twowheelsgood · 28-05-2014 10:05PM

tayto lover wrote: »

We will have to wait and see.
What is the point of sending MEP's out at all if you think it makes no difference?
What were the others doing?

Some of us won’t have to wait and see.

If there is to be any meaningful change in our economic circumstances (e.g. a major debt write off) then there needs to be some mechanism or leverage to bring that about. And I don’t think there is, no matter how fine a speech anyone makes.

Perhaps you wouldn’t have been so disillusioned with politics if you had more realistic expectations of what can and cannot be achieved.

tayto lover · 28-05-2014 10:08PM

twowheelsgood wrote: »

Some of us won’t have to wait and see. If there is to be any meaningful change in our economic circumstances (e.g. a major debt write off) then there needs to be some mechanism or leverage to bring that about. And I don’t think there is, no matter how fine a speech anyone makes.

Perhaps you wouldn’t have been so disillusioned with politics if you had more realistic expectations of what can and cannot be achieved.

Doing nothing is never an option.
I would love to know why people were so silent about sending MEP's all along if they had no power OR is that just because they were not SF members?

twowheelsgood · 28-05-2014 10:09PM

Banjo String wrote: »

Why waste tax payers money sending any of them over(from any party) ?

It's a matter of what you think they might achieve. And making any real difference in our economic plight is not something they can achieve.

You might as well argue: well if they cannot turn our national soccer team in to world beaters, why bother having MEPs?

twowheelsgood · 28-05-2014 10:11PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Doing nothing is never an option.
I would love to know why people were so silent about sending MEP's all along if they had no power OR is that just because they were not SF members?

The do have some power. But I don't think they have the power to make any meaningful difference to our economic situation.

If you disagree, perhaps you can explain how the difference will manifest itself?

dj jarvis · 28-05-2014 10:13PM

tayto lover wrote: »

They will have speaking time.
They will put their points across.
I don't believe they will go just to claim the expenses.

they will have 2 minutes speaking time , as individuals they will achieve nothing , its all down to the grouping that SF are aliened to in the parliament, and what battles want to fight

Irelands battle might not be the top of their agenda

so if the group dont peruse this , SF will achieve nothing regarding the bank debt

tayto lover · 28-05-2014 10:15PM

twowheelsgood wrote: »

The do have some power. But I don't think they have the power to make any meaningful difference to our economic situation.

If you disagree, perhaps you can explain how the difference will manifest itself?

When they get speaking time they can highlight what austerity is doing to the people of Ireland. They can join like-minded groups and maybe organise them to rock boats during debates or votes. Silence is never an option. You make plans and organise properly.

Banjo String · 28-05-2014 10:16PM

twowheelsgood wrote: »

It's a matter of what you think they might achieve. And making any real difference in our economic plight is not something they can achieve.

You might as well argue: well if they cannot turn our national soccer team in to world beaters, why bother having MEPs?

Do you think that Enda might be a teeny bit worried that they'll push and push, and remind the EU at every opportunity that we (Irish taxpayers) have been saddled with debt that isn't ours, instead of telling them we all went mad and partied like mad eejits?

bumper234 · 28-05-2014 10:16PM

tayto lover wrote: »

They will have speaking time.
They will put their points across.
I don't believe they will go just to claim the expenses.

They have speaking time in the dail, what changes have they made there?

tayto lover · 28-05-2014 10:18PM

bumper234 wrote: »

They have speaking time in the dail, what changes have they made there?

They were totally outnumbered by pro-austerity parties who wanted to be the poster boys in Europe. They will have a lot more power after the next GE.

bumper234 · 28-05-2014 10:19PM

tayto lover wrote: »

They were totally outnumbered by pro-austerity parties who wanted to be the poster boys in Europe. They will have a lot more power after the next GE.

And they will be even more outnumbered in Brussels.

tayto lover · 28-05-2014 10:22PM

bumper234 wrote: »

And they will be even more outnumbered in Brussels.

I knew you'd say that but at least they will go with the intention of representing their people rather than themselves. I firmly believe they will do their best unlike the last shower we sent over.

twowheelsgood · 28-05-2014 10:23PM

tayto lover wrote: »

When they get speaking time they can highlight what austerity is doing to the people of Ireland. They can join like-minded groups and maybe organise them to rock boats during debates or votes. Silence is never an option. You make plans and organise properly.

But what is the solution you are aiming to achieve by rocking these boats. What is the plan? We still spend far more than we collect in taxes. Where does the money come from if we decline to make budget adjustments ourselves?

Banjo String wrote: »

Do you think that Enda might be a teeny bit worried that they'll push and push, and remind the EU at every opportunity that we (Irish taxpayers) have been saddled with debt that isn't ours, instead of telling them we all went mad and partied like mad eejits?

Enda did indeed have two versions to tell of our tale of woe. Unfortunately the version where we were in fact to blame is the one that Europeans tend to believe.

bumper234 · 28-05-2014 10:24PM

tayto lover wrote: »

I knew you'd say that but at least they will go with the intention of representing their people rather than themselves. I firmly believe they will do their best unlike the last shower we sent over.

Will they be taking their capes with them? :rolleyes:

tayto lover · 28-05-2014 10:28PM

twowheelsgood wrote: »

But what is the solution you are aiming to achieve by rocking these boats. What is the plan? We still spend far more than we collect in taxes. Where does the money come from if we decline to make budget adjustments ourselves?

We can get a writedown in "our" debt (something Enda refused to negotiate for) and also try to get the repayments spread over a longer period which will give us breathing space. This will allow us to help small businesses and generate jobs. More people working equals more money into our own economy.

tayto lover · 28-05-2014 10:29PM

bumper234 wrote: »

Will they be taking their capes with them? :rolleyes:

Well I hope none of them take a fancy woman a la Hogan.

twowheelsgood · 28-05-2014 10:31PM

tayto lover wrote: »

We can get a writedown in "our" debt (something Enda refused to negotiate for) and also try to get the repayments spread over a longer period which will give us breathing space. This will allow us to help small businesses and generate jobs. More people working equals more money into our own economy.

I was asking about the deficit not the debt. If we are unwilling to balance our books someone has to come up with some (a lot!) dosh to make up the difference.

Who?

Banjo String · 28-05-2014 10:36PM

twowheelsgood wrote: »

I was asking about the deficit not the debt. If we are unwilling to balance our books someone has to come up with some (a lot!) dosh to make up the difference.

Who?

So a write down (off would be better) of the banking debt wouldn't go some way towards easing the deficit...... OK........ Sure what's the point in even asking in that case.

tayto lover · 28-05-2014 10:38PM

twowheelsgood wrote: »

I was asking about the deficit not the debt. If we are unwilling to balance our books someone has to come up with some (a lot!) dosh to make up the difference.

Who?

Well from listening to Morning Ireland it looks like we will be re-visiting the Corporate Tax debate again as the Europeans are intent on making us rise the rate. I heard 1.5% for a start so we should make plenty of dosh from that without anyone upping and leaving.

Slick50 · 28-05-2014 10:39PM

SaveOurLyric wrote: »

Amongst the Chardonnay drinking, Leinster Rugby shirt wearing, employed, productive members of society, there are just as many brainless delusionals as in the first group, willing to vote for a politically meaningless party in search of a purpose and cashing in on the gullibility of those thinking if they vote for anyone other than the parties in power, their lot will improve.

For both groups, its a toss up between voting for SF or an independent, and their brains would probably blow a fuse if they were asked to explain why they chose one group rather than the other.

It's a tough gig being part of the electorate here.
Vote FF, your an idiot for voting for the wasters who brought the country to ruin. You get the government you deserve.
Vote FG, your an idiot for believing there manifesto promises, and think it might make a change. You get the government you deserve.
Vote Labour, see above.
Vote SF, your an idiot for believing that will effect change.
Vote Independents, see above.
We are forever being told you'll get your say at the next referendum/by election/ local election/general elaction. Well now the people have spoken loud and clear, and it's a damning indictment of the 'established' parties. Roll on the GE, the sooner the better.

bumper234 wrote: »

And they will be even more outnumbered in Brussels.

Maybe not, there has been a sea change in elections all across europe.

twowheelsgood · 28-05-2014 10:43PM

Banjo String wrote: »

So a write down (off would be better) of the banking debt wouldn't go some way towards easing the deficit...... OK........ Sure what's the point in even asking in that case.

But if financial problems could be solved that easily sure we’d all be on the pig’s back.

Can’t pay your mortgage? Not to worry. In with you to your bank manager and get a write-down.

Not earning enough to pay your bills? Simples. Insist your employer up your wages.

Of course, you possibly spot a tiny problem here -you probably have no leverage that you can use to gain these concessions.

So where is the leverage to get anything from Europe?

dj jarvis · 28-05-2014 10:47PM

Slick50 wrote: »

It's a tough gig being part of the electorate here.
Vote FF, your an idiot for voting for the wasters who brought the country to ruin. You get the government you deserve.
Vote FG, your an idiot for believing there manifesto promises, and think it might make a change. You get the government you deserve.
Vote Labour, see above.
Vote SF, your an idiot for believing that will effect change.
Vote Independents, see above.
We are forever being told you'll get your say at the next referendum/by election/ local election/general elaction. Well now the people have spoken loud and clear, and it's a damning indictment of the 'established' parties. Roll on the GE, the sooner the better.

SF still wont gain power , the two dreaded beasts that are FF and FG will morph into a super bastard and **** us all

SF IMO will not see power for at least 15 years

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