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Send fat people to slimming classes

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  • #32
    --LOS--
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,028 ✭✭✭✭--LOS--


    I don't think forcing people into anything is going to do much help, they have to want to do it themselves in the first place, or else there won't be a long-term result.


    Meanwhile I'm over here trying not to lose more weight, le sigh


  • #33
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    Btw, op - what a great day to start a thread like this......


  • #34
    Penny Tration
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,687 ✭✭✭✭Penny Tration


    I've lost more than half of my body weight in recent years, but I'm still overweight (I want to lose another 2 stone).

    Should I be forced to attend diet and exercise classes? Bit fcuking pointless, because I know what to eat and how much exercise to do to lose weight, and it's working.

    Fat people know full well to eat less and move more. Why they don't do it is what needs to be addressed. Forcing them to do it is pointless, they'll find ways around it.


  • #35
    snaphook
    Closed Accounts Posts: 328 ✭✭snaphook


    alchemist33 wrote: »
    Pay them to lose weight. Seriously.

    Take someone who is always struggling to lose weight,

    The "I've tried nothing and I'm all out of ideas" brigade and offer them €100 for every pound they lose, and alternatively fine them €100 for every pound they gain......that bacon double cheesburger with taco fries wouldn't look so appealing anymore. :D


  • #36
    snaphook
    Closed Accounts Posts: 328 ✭✭snaphook


    Or for example if someone you know said they wanted to lose weight. Challenge them on it. Call them out on it.

    If they said they wanted to lose a stone for example, ask them to give you €1,000 in cold hard cash. Self-bribery.

    You get to keep it until they lose the stone. If they don't, you're quids in until they do.

    Motivation is a powerful thing.


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  • #37
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    green_screen wrote: »
    I've lost more than half of my body weight in recent years, but I'm still overweight (I want to lose another 2 stone).

    Should I be forced to attend diet and exercise classes? Bit fcuking pointless, because I know what to eat and how much exercise to do to lose weight, and it's working.

    Fat people know full well to eat less and move more. Why they don't do it is what needs to be addressed. Forcing them to do it is pointless, they'll find ways around it.

    No. You (or someone like you) should not be required to attend. They're not looking for everyone to be at their optimal BMI, or for everyone to give up the ciggies and the beer.

    I don't think the proposal is aimed at people who are motivated. It's really aimed at the morbidly obese, fag-smoking, beer swilling brigade who pretty much are fair set to require expensive heart surgery to live on.

    Better to get them 'early' to lose a few pounds than have to go to the expense of giving them a second chance they'll probably squander.

    Nobody should be denied life-saving treatment, but if a kick in the arse is required to get them to get rid of a few pounds and save the rest of us from having to fork out for their treatment and care, then I'm all for it.


  • #38
    Hermy
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,870 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    bumper234 wrote: »
    ...should/could overweight/obese people eventually be FORCED to exercise?...

    No, because diet is the key to losing weight - not exercise.

    Genealogy Forum Mod



  • #39
    desertcircus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,648 ✭✭✭desertcircus


    If we were serious about doing what was necessary to prevent health issues in the future, we'd make cigarettes prescription-only to addicts only, with short jail terms for giving cigarettes to someone who isn't a certified addict. Treat illegally smuggled cigarettes the same way as we treat cocaine and make it a hugely risky business to operate in.


  • #40
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    desertcircus wrote: »
    If we were serious about doing what was necessary to prevent health issues in the future, we'd make cigarettes prescription-only to addicts only, with short jail terms for giving cigarettes to someone who isn't a certified addict. Treat illegally smuggled cigarettes the same way as we treat cocaine and make it a hugely risky business to operate in.

    given that I'm in the work at the moment (in the centre of Dublin) and it's a shorter walk for me to 'score' than it is to get 20 fags, I'd suggest that the country's drugs policy is a shambles and not one to be copied for anything.....ever.


  • #41
    Michael D Not Higgins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,223 ✭✭✭Michael D Not Higgins


    desertcircus wrote: »
    If we were serious about doing what was necessary to prevent health issues in the future, we'd make cigarettes prescription-only to addicts only, with short jail terms for giving cigarettes to someone who isn't a certified addict. Treat illegally smuggled cigarettes the same way as we treat cocaine and make it a hugely risky business to operate in.

    Doesn't work, c.f. prohibition era USA.

    They're phasing them out slowly instead.


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  • #42
    desertcircus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,648 ✭✭✭desertcircus


    Hermy wrote: »
    No, because diet is the key to losing weight - not exercise.

    Either or both work. My diet is deeply problematic, but I've lost fifteen kilos in a year and am still dropping. If you burn more calories than you eat, you'll lose weight (there are all sorts of variations in terms of what exercise to do, the ratio of proteins, carbs and fat and so forth, but the basic rule stands).


  • #43
    Legs.Eleven
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,987 ✭✭✭Legs.Eleven


    Nobody will lose weight unless they want to just as smokers won't quit unless they want to. You can't force anyone to do anything and expect long-term results. It's so ridiculously logical and I'm not even sure why I have to type it.


  • #44
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,007 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Nidgeweasel wrote: »
    Rightly so. Get them into exercise programmes and ban them from public transport and planes.

    When you are respectable size then you can re-join society and fly again.

    isn't it past your bedtime? whats a "respectable size" different people will have opinions on it so nobody will be able to agree a "respectable size"

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #45
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    end of the road wrote: »
    isn't it past your bedtime? whats a "respectable size" different people will have opinions on it so nobody will be able to agree a "respectable size"

    ^^^

    This wasn't meant as a fatty bashing thread (from a former chubster himself) and am genuinely interested in where we go with the obesity problem in the world? Do we just continue to allow people to eat themselves into an early grave? Yes yes i know smokers/drinkers/junkies blah blah blah but surely the Governments can decide that xxx amount of fat/sugar etc is the limit for food? Every single food product has to get the green light from government food agencies so it wouldn't cost a bean for them to just ban foods that have too much sugar or fat.


  • #46
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,007 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Miseryguts wrote: »
    Simple tax the people who are over a certain weight?

    for god sake, to many children on these threads

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #47
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,007 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Miseryguts wrote: »
    I don't know maybe have some body fat to muscle ratio? It's hard to imagine body builders eating excess junk food anyway.
    if your going to suggest something, at least have some sort of idea on how its going to work

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #48
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,007 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    snaphook wrote: »
    Take someone who is always struggling to lose weight,

    The "I've tried nothing and I'm all out of ideas" brigade and offer them €100 for every pound they lose, and alternatively fine them €100 for every pound they gain......that bacon double cheesburger with taco fries wouldn't look so appealing anymore. :D
    and then if they don't pay? would cost to much then it would yield

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #49
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,007 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    desertcircus wrote: »
    If we were serious about doing what was necessary to prevent health issues in the future, we'd make cigarettes prescription-only to addicts only, with short jail terms for giving cigarettes to someone who isn't a certified addict. Treat illegally smuggled cigarettes the same way as we treat cocaine and make it a hugely risky business to operate in.
    yeah, because jailing drug addicts has worked so well, oh wait

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #50
    Sky King
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Sky King


    What about phat people?


  • #51
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,007 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    bumper234 wrote: »
    ^^^

    This wasn't meant as a fatty bashing thread (from a former chubster himself) and am genuinely interested in where we go with the obesity problem in the world? Do we just continue to allow people to eat themselves into an early grave? Yes yes i know smokers/drinkers/junkies blah blah blah but surely the Governments can decide that xxx amount of fat/sugar etc is the limit for food? Every single food product has to get the green light from government food agencies so it wouldn't cost a bean for them to just ban foods that have too much sugar or fat.
    regulating certain things in foods might be an option yes, whether the government would be able to do so is another thing (remember the lobbiests can be very powerful and persuasive) . nobody is suggesting letting people eat themselves into an early grave but a few of the suggestions are so stupid they are laughable, others are practical good suggestions that might help, it could be the case that no matter what we do we will never solve the problem (i suspect thats the most likely outcome) managing it might be the only solution

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



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  • #52
    RandomName2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    Michael D Not Higgins wrote: »
    Junk food tax. It'll generate money for the country rather than increase spending.

    Do you work for Fine Gael by any chance?


  • #53
    Michael D Not Higgins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,223 ✭✭✭Michael D Not Higgins


    RandomName2 wrote: »
    Do you work for Fine Gael by any chance?

    I don't even work in Ireland. It's not something I'm particularly advocating but if you're looking to do something political about obesity, set it up as a tax rather than an expense.


  • #54
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    bumper234 wrote: »
    ^^^

    This wasn't meant as a fatty bashing thread (from a former chubster himself) and am genuinely interested in where we go with the obesity problem in the world? Do we just continue to allow people to eat themselves into an early grave? Yes yes i know smokers/drinkers/junkies blah blah blah but surely the Governments can decide that xxx amount of fat/sugar etc is the limit for food? Every single food product has to get the green light from government food agencies so it wouldn't cost a bean for them to just ban foods that have too much sugar or fat.

    No, food products, unless they contain new or novel ingredients don't need prior authorisation before being marketed.

    Nutrient profiling can be used to identify foods considered 'unhealthy' but very few foods are inherently unhealthy - butter for example is not unhealthy if you only have it a few times a week, but if you plaster it on bread and spuds several times a day, it becomes unhealthy.

    And even if it was deadly unhealthy, there is no way this country puts a fat tax on beef, dairy or pork products - the farmers would go ballistic. Just look at what happened when they tried to limit the advertising of unhealthy food to children and cheese was profiled as being 'unhealthy' - the profiling model was quickly modified!!

    Likewise, most junk food, despite being over-refined shoite, is not inherently unhealthy, unless you're eating it too often.

    There was a study done in St James' Hospital, and one of the big problems people had was their conception of 'food' and 'meals' - some people, for example, in the 'snacks' portion of their food diaries had things like domino's pizza, bags of chips etc. Others expressed disbelief that alcohol contained calories! Some people you can educate, but some have to be shaken out of their views.

    One other point, a 'fat' tax would be highly regressive.


  • #55
    swimming in a sea
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 937 ✭✭✭swimming in a sea


    I'm very much against taxes, but junk food is very cheap. So if you go to Tesco\Dunnes today its almost certain one of them will have 3 pack of crunchies etc. for €1, I've done before myself plenty of times go to buy 1 bar and come out with a multi-pack since its the same price.

    Can anybody confirm if this example is the below cost selling in operation?

    Any way thank God i grew up in a austere 80's Ireland where I could only afford the odd stinger bar or I'd be as big as a house.


  • #56
    Pumpkinseeds
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,635 ✭✭✭Pumpkinseeds


    Yey, more fat bashing, this hasn't already been done to death.


  • #57
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Pumpkinseeds wrote: »
    Yey, more fat bashing, this hasn't already been done to death.

    It's not a fat bashing thread though:rolleyes:


  • #58
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    swimming in a sea wrote: »
    I'm very much against taxes, but junk food is very cheap. So if you go to Tesco\Dunnes today its almost certain one of them will have 3 pack of crunchies etc. for €1, I've done before myself plenty of times go to buy 1 bar and come out with a multi-pack since its the same price.

    Can anybody confirm if this example is the below cost selling in operation?

    Any way thank God i grew up in a austere 80's Ireland where I could only afford the odd stinger bar or I'd be as big as a house.

    Seriously?

    How about not buying the Crunchies? Or better still, run / walk / cycle to the shop, buy the Crunchies and maybe only have one every second day as a treat?

    AFAIK, Dunnes etc don't put a gun to your head and force you to buy them or insist you eat them in one sitting!


  • #59
    Pumpkinseeds
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,635 ✭✭✭Pumpkinseeds


    bumper234 wrote: »
    It's not a fat bashing thread though:rolleyes:
    These things always descend into a fat bashing thread.


  • #60
    ash23
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,791 ✭✭✭ash23


    Jawgap wrote: »
    Seriously?

    How about not buying the Crunchies? Or better still, run / walk / cycle to the shop, buy the Crunchies and maybe only have one every second day as a treat?

    AFAIK, Dunnes etc don't put a gun to your head and force you to buy them or insist you eat them in one sitting!

    This post just shows the lack of understanding about obesity.

    It's pretty much the same as saying to a heavy smoker to buy a pack of 20 and only smoke one a day.


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  • #61
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    ash23 wrote: »
    This post just shows the lack of understanding about obesity.

    It's pretty much the same as saying to a heavy smoker to buy a pack of 20 and only smoke one a day.

    I think i understand a bit about it.......

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    After - https://us.v-cdn.net/6034073/uploads/attachments/197410/308808.JPG


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