Convicted child killer canvassing for sinn fein[Mod warning-First Post]

Happyman42 · 28-05-2014 09:11AM

Thankfully our impartial and 'independent' media will no longer be able to just go to the self satisfied yes men and women for comment on what is happening to us in Europe.

Redletter day imo. 4 MEPs with a strong mandate to defend our interests.

Fratton Fred · 28-05-2014 09:18AM

Happyman42 wrote: »

Thankfully our impartial and 'independent' media will no longer be able to just go to the self satisfied yes men and women for comment on what is happening to us in Europe.

Redletter day imo. 4 MEPs with a strong mandate to defend our interests.

Defend our interests against what?

lazygal · 28-05-2014 09:21AM

Happyman42 wrote: »

Thankfully our impartial and 'independent' media will no longer be able to just go to the self satisfied yes men and women for comment on what is happening to us in Europe.

Redletter day imo. 4 MEPs with a strong mandate to defend our interests.

What are our interests?

bumper234 · 28-05-2014 09:28AM

Happyman42 wrote: »

Thankfully our impartial and 'independent' media will no longer be able to just go to the self satisfied yes men and women for comment on what is happening to us in Europe.

Redletter day imo. 4 MEPs with a strong mandate to defend our interests.

What do you expect to change now that SF have 4 MEP's? What will SF do to change "what is happening to us in Europe."

FTA69 · 28-05-2014 10:27AM

The real bonus for Sinn Féin here is winning an MEP in four out of four of Ireland's constituencies. It's a psychological boost for them more than anything. I don't think anyone is seriously suggesting it will make a massive difference on a European level.

bumper234 · 28-05-2014 10:29AM

FTA69 wrote: »

The real bonus for Sinn Féin here is winning an MEP in four out of four of Ireland's constituencies. It's a psychological boost for them more than anything. I don't think anyone is seriously suggesting it will make a massive difference on a European level.

I know that it's just the way some are going on the shinners are preparing to march on Brussels and this time next week we will be a debt free eutopia

Dan_Solo · 28-05-2014 12:23PM

bumper234 wrote: »

I know that it's just the way some are going on the shinners are preparing to march on Brussels and this time next week we will be a debt free eutopia

And the converse spin is that this overwhelming SF victory is in fact a disaster for them.

FTA69 · 28-05-2014 12:26PM

Dan_Solo wrote: »

And the converse spin is that this overwhelming SF victory is in fact a disaster for them.

It isn't though. The Troika stuff is well embedded in Ireland now and will remain regardless of how many SF MEPs there are. It's a nice boost for the party, but nothing more. The local stuff is far more significant as it gives them the opportunity to build for more parliament seats, which is where the interesting stuff lies.

Dan_Solo · 28-05-2014 12:31PM

FTA69 wrote: »

It isn't though. The Troika stuff is well embedded in Ireland now and will remain regardless of how many SF MEPs there are. It's a nice boost for the party, but nothing more. The local stuff is far more significant as it gives them the opportunity to build for more parliament seats, which is where the interesting stuff lies.

I think both could turn into a bonus come the next GE myself. The fact that neither FF or FG can be even bothered to rule out a coalition also plays straight into SF's hands, showing up the big parties as ideology free power addicts.

FTA69 · 28-05-2014 12:33PM

If Sinn Féin go into coalition with Fianna Fáil it will result in their destruction and will squander an opportunity to finally realign Irish politics along a left/right basis. It would be a tragic waste. When I was in that party the northern cabal based around Adams was mad for that to be pushed through after 2007 but it backfired badly. Hopefully they'll have learned their lesson.

Chips Lovell · 28-05-2014 12:34PM

lazygal wrote: »

What are our interests?

"Standing up to those bureaucrats in Brussels" no doubt

Dan_Solo · 28-05-2014 12:47PM

FTA69 wrote: »

If Sinn Féin go into coalition with Fianna Fáil it will result in their destruction and will squander an opportunity to finally realign Irish politics along a left/right basis. It would be a tragic waste. When I was in that party the northern cabal based around Adams was mad for that to be pushed through after 2007 but it backfired badly. Hopefully they'll have learned their lesson.

That's one thing where I'd have worries about Gerry Adams. He's getting a bit long in the tooth now and would he jump into a coalition as one last chance for a bit of actual power at last, even if it meant coalition with FF?
I honestly don't know, but if he's thinking this he'd hopefully be convinced by the rest of the party with long political careers ahead that that would cripple the long game.

FTA69 · 28-05-2014 12:56PM

Dan_Solo wrote: »

That's one thing where I'd have worries about Gerry Adams. He's getting a bit long in the tooth now and would he jump into a coalition as one last chance for a bit of actual power at last, even if it meant coalition with FF?
I honestly don't know, but if he's thinking this he'd hopefully be convinced by the rest of the party with long political careers ahead that that would cripple the long game.

Or else him and his cabal will be obsessed with the idea of "being in government both sides of the border in 1916" and the northerners will push it through because they haven't a clue about southern politics or how it works. However, I'm no longer aware of the internal discourse within that party so hopefully they've learned from the Greens and Labour and have the balls to stand out on their own.

The only future for them is joining with Labour and forming a real opposition to the right-wing Civil War sh*te of FF and FG. If Labour recover that is. They've set the left in Ireland back a decade with their stagnant nonsense of supporting FG no matter what.

bumper234 · 28-05-2014 01:03PM

Dan_Solo wrote: »

That's one thing where I'd have worries about Gerry Adams. He's getting a bit long in the tooth now and would he jump into a coalition as one last chance for a bit of actual power at last, even if it meant coalition with FF?
I honestly don't know, but if he's thinking this he'd hopefully be convinced by the rest of the party with long political careers ahead that that would cripple the long game.

Sure most of them are false now so he can just have them filed down

Nodin · 28-05-2014 03:16PM

FTA69 wrote: »

If Sinn Féin go into coalition with Fianna Fáil it will result in their destruction and will squander an opportunity to finally realign Irish politics along a left/right basis. It would be a tragic waste. When I was in that party the northern cabal based around Adams was mad for that to be pushed through after 2007 but it backfired badly. Hopefully they'll have learned their lesson.

The worst of all possible worlds. Doom, and a tragic waste of opportunity.

FTA69 · 28-05-2014 03:29PM

Nodin wrote: »

The worst of all possible worlds. Doom, and a tragic waste of opportunity.

There's a pretty glaring lack of debate within that party which worries me a lot to be honest. I've seen the membership swallow a lot of sh*t over the years simply because the person selling it was made out to be some infallible war hero. It was fairly depressing at times.

The reality is also that the northerners around Adams haven't a clue about southern politics or how it works. I once heard Adams himself say in 2007 that we needed to be promoting the "Peace Process" more in the south as part of our campaign, as if people in Cork gave two sh*ts about that lark in the run up to a general election. The amount of times I've heard people push for a coalition with Fianna Fáil is disturbing, they'll couch it in terms like "in government on both sides of the border in 2016" and all this other rubbish and then try block vote it through at an Ard Fheis.

On the other hand, that was 8 years ago and that organisation has changed immensely since then. Hopefully they learn the lessons of the Greens and Labour. Their future now lies in trying to push Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael into a grand coalition and hope for a cohesive leftist opposition for 2021.

Reformed Character · 28-05-2014 06:14PM

FTA69 wrote: »

There's a pretty glaring lack of debate within that party which worries me a lot to be honest. I've seen the membership swallow a lot of sh*t over the years simply because the person selling it was made out to be some infallible war hero. It was fairly depressing at times.

The reality is also that the northerners around Adams haven't a clue about southern politics or how it works. I once heard Adams himself say in 2007 that we needed to be promoting the "Peace Process" more in the south as part of our campaign, as if people in Cork gave two sh*ts about that lark in the run up to a general election. The amount of times I've heard people push for a coalition with Fianna Fáil is disturbing, they'll couch it in terms like "in government on both sides of the border in 2016" and all this other rubbish and then try block vote it through at an Ard Fheis.

On the other hand, that was 8 years ago and that organisation has changed immensely since then. Hopefully they learn the lessons of the Greens and Labour. Their future now lies in trying to push Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael into a grand coalition and hope for a cohesive leftist opposition for 2021.

One of the best posts on this thread.

joe swanson · 28-05-2014 06:18PM

Convicted child killer canvassing for the shinners.

Not surprised. I wouldn't expect anything less from them.

Will it influence their voters? Hardly, given the sort of of people that vote for them.

Donkey Oaty · 28-05-2014 06:25PM

FTA69 wrote: »

Their future now lies in trying to push Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael into a grand coalition

Odds-on with some bookies.

A lot can happen before the next election though. I doubt anyone is ruling anything out.

tayto lover · 28-05-2014 06:47PM

bumper234 wrote: »

What do you expect to change now that SF have 4 MEP's? What will SF do to change "what is happening to us in Europe."

I expect them to highlight the injustices that were forced on our people.
Enda told us "it was not your fault" in that t.v. address.
That was a week or two before he went to Davos and stabbed us in the back "the Irish people went mad". That was just before he started making the special needs children, sick, carers, nurses etc pay for all the damage done by the elite developers, regulator, bankers, politicians and accountants i.e the cozy cartels and golden circle.

I think Sinn Fein now have a mandate to defend the people of Ireland against the unfair measures the Europeans entrusted Enda to force on us.

tayto lover · 28-05-2014 06:56PM

joe swanson wrote: »

Convicted child killer canvassing for the shinners.

Not surprised. I wouldn't expect anything less from them.

Will it influence their voters? Hardly, given the sort of of people that vote for them.

I voted for FG in the last GE but I voted for SF this time and will do so in the next GE. There are many like me too i.e. fed up of having their wages disappear through new taxes and levies all the time. You can't hit the same people all the time without it having repercussions.

Donkey Oaty · 28-05-2014 07:01PM

tayto lover wrote: »

I voted for FG in the last GE but I voted for SF this time and will do so in the next GE. There are many like me too i.e. fed up of having their wages disappear through new taxes and levies all the time. You can't hit the same people all the time without it having repercussions.

That reads like one of the reasons you are voting SF is for lower taxes for people in your circumstances - is that a correct interpretation?

I ask this because it's not something that is said very often.

Edit: apart from water charges - maybe that's what you are getting at?

tayto lover · 28-05-2014 07:17PM

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

That reads like one of the reasons you are voting SF is for lower taxes for people in your circumstances - is that a correct interpretation?

I ask this because it's not something that is said very often.

Edit: apart from water charges - maybe that's what you are getting at?

Any working person is seeing a dwindling of take-home pay and an increase in new charges, property tax, water taxes, USC and levies. Its like having a bucket with a hole in it. I'm not too bad but I see young men who are hard working and could barely cope before these new taxes came in. Too much austerity and a Govt afraid to point this out to Europe.

Donkey Oaty · 28-05-2014 07:20PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Too much austerity and a Govt afraid to point this out to Europe.

Okay, I see where you are coming from.

michael999999 · 28-05-2014 07:22PM

tayto lover wrote: »

I voted for FG in the last GE but I voted for SF this time and will do so in the next GE. There are many like me too i.e. fed up of having their wages disappear through new taxes and levies all the time. You can't hit the same people all the time without it having repercussions.

You'll have to suck it up!

Someone has to pay for fianna fails Mary hanafins 4 pensions!

Banjo String · 28-05-2014 07:32PM

joe swanson wrote: »

Convicted child killer canvassing for the shinners.

Not surprised. I wouldn't expect anything less from them.

Will it influence their voters? Hardly, given the sort of of people that vote for them.

Jeez, if only we had some kinda elections from which we could gauge this very pressing question.........

What a brain fart of a post.

Fr. Ned · 28-05-2014 09:20PM

joe swanson wrote: »

Convicted child killer canvassing for the shinners.

Not surprised. I wouldn't expect anything less from them.

Will it influence their voters? Hardly, given the sort of of people that vote for them.

What 'sort of people' vote for SF?

Over 500,000 first preferences last Friday.

Now, the popular thing around here is that all SF voters are larger drinking, celtic shirt wearing, unemployable wasters.....ok?

Are these the type of people who would bother their hole to go out and vote?

Just ask yourself that and then think on a bit before you produce any more of your uneducated, childish, sindo inspired brainfarts.

Fratton Fred · 28-05-2014 09:33PM

tayto lover wrote: »

I expect them to highlight the injustices that were forced on our people.
Enda told us "it was not your fault" in that t.v. address.
That was a week or two before he went to Davos and stabbed us in the back "the Irish people went mad". That was just before he started making the special needs children, sick, carers, nurses etc pay for all the damage done by the elite developers, regulator, bankers, politicians and accountants i.e the cozy cartels and golden circle.

I think Sinn Fein now have a mandate to defend the people of Ireland against the unfair measures the Europeans entrusted Enda to force on us.

Sinn Fein could have all 11 Irish MEPs and there would be **** all they could do about it. The European parliament is just a massive, very very very expensive talking shop with pretty much **** all power.

tayto lover · 28-05-2014 09:37PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Sinn Fein could have all 11 Irish MEPs and there would be **** all they could do about it. The European parliament is just a massive, very very very expensive talking shop with pretty much **** all power.

I reckon they'll rattle cages and its better than sending over the usual Trappist monks.

bumper234 · 28-05-2014 09:40PM

tayto lover wrote: »

I reckon they'll rattle cages and its better than sending over the usual Trappist monks.

How will they "rattle cages"?

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