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Some US States to bring back Firing Squads for Death Penalty

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  • #92
    con___manx1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,719 ✭✭✭con___manx1


    they should stop executing them one by one. just send a group of death rowers into the gas chamber and be done with it. at least they wont die alone.they will die with like minded people rapist and murders.


  • #93
    wp_rathead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,115 ✭✭✭✭wp_rathead


    con___manx1 wrote: »
    they should stop executing them one by one. just send a group of death rowers into the gas chamber and be done with it. at least they wont die alone.they will die with like minded people rapist and murders.

    hmm, sounds familiar..?


  • #94
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,922 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    househero wrote: »
    Murder is wrong.

    A firing squad 'employee' is guilty of pre meditated murder.

    There is no difference between a firing squad wearing a us uniform or a Nazi uniform and it should be stopped in any civilized country.

    Erm. Are both executions carried out in accordance with the applicable laws under a judicial system with the approval of the populace?

    Just wondering if your level of analysis goes to "Gun. Uniform" or if there's a bit more to it.


  • #95
    AllGunsBlazing
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    con___manx1 wrote: »
    they should stop executing them one by one. just send a group of death rowers into the gas chamber and be done with it. at least they wont die alone.they will die with like minded people rapist and murders.

    Or just push them all off a cliff. Both cost effective and a time saver.


  • #96
    No Pants
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,346 ✭✭✭No Pants


    Katie1289 wrote: »
    America believes 'Some lives are expendable and we decide who gets to live'.
    That would be true if they were executing them for no reason. However, the offenders chose to commit a crime that carries the death penalty and committed it in a state that uses the death penalty. The choice was theirs.


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  • #97
    frozenfrozen
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    They should hunt them on horseback, the foxes will be a bit miffed at first when they're replaced but they'll soon realise that it was a mugs game anyway for them.


  • #98
    the_syco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,310 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    Mr_Red wrote: »
    While I dont like the idea of the Death Penalty, This must be a horrific way to die as it cant be sure you will instantly die.
    There's an exemption that ensures the drug companies will never be sued if the cocktail doesn't work, nor will the drug company ever be named...


  • #99
    Custardpi
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    No Pants wrote: »
    That would be true if they were executing them for no reason. However, the offenders chose to commit a crime that carries the death penalty and committed it in a state that uses the death penalty. The choice was theirs.

    It's also the choice of the state whether it wants to descend to the same level as the murderer or whether it wants to aspire to modern civilisation.


  • #100
    Maphisto
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    Wibbs wrote: »
    Other than the inert gas method outlined by Seamus, the "best" is arguably long drop hanging where the subject's neck breaks and the shock of impact causes instant deep coma, followed by brain death, with the body following within half an hour or so. It's essentially decapitation minus the removal of the actual head. Actual decapitation by a blade may cause pain for a couple of seconds anyway until the massive blood pressure drop causes death. I'd bet you would feel your head drop into the basket anyway. The oft quoted tale of the doctor who witnessed an execution by guillotine in the 19th century and claimed the subject's head was responsive for nearly 20 seconds is a clear fabrication. The photos of the event show no such doctor and the mechanics of execution by guillotine would preclude such a viewing.


    I was listeneing to a thing on Newstalk about someone from Tuam who was actually French. I couldn't find the thing again if I tried.

    Anyway he was a French General fought the British in India before the French Revolution. He lost, was captured and held prisoner in England. The French put him on trial for treason in his absence. He gave his parole to his captors (very gentlemanly) and went back to France for the trial.

    He was found guilty. Verdict was beheading by sword (guillotine was yet to be invented or brought into use). The execution was bungled and this guy some minutes trying to hold his head in place.:eek:

    Maybe someone knows who I'm rambling on about?


  • #101
    Beano
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    Wibbs wrote: »
    ...


    An odd aside, but one of the few people still around that witnessed an execution by guillotine is of all people the actor Christopher Lee. He saw one of the last publicly held ones in France when he was a boy. The Nazi's guillotined over ten thousand people which not a lot of folks know and which isn't far off the lower estimates of those executed by the method in the French Revolution.

    they were still doing it in private until the 1970s.


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  • #102
    No Pants
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    Custardpi wrote: »
    It's also the choice of the state whether it wants to descend to the same level as the murderer or whether it wants to aspire to modern civilisation.
    Actually it's the choice of the citizens of the state, the peers of the offender.


  • #103
    Wibbs
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    Maphisto wrote: »
    I was listeneing to a thing on Newstalk about someone from Tuam who was actually French. I couldn't find the thing again if I tried.

    Anyway he was a French General fought the British in India before the French Revolution. He lost, was captured and held prisoner in England. The French put him on trial for treason in his absence. He gave his parole to his captors (very gentlemanly) and went back to France for the trial.

    He was found guilty. Verdict was beheading by sword (guillotine was yet to be invented or brought into use). The execution was bungled and this guy some minutes trying to hold his head in place.:eek:

    Maybe someone knows who I'm rambling on about?
    IIRC one of Henry the 8th's wives had her execution bungled too and the swordsman had to take a few swipes while she was heard to pray. I think she may have tried to stand up. Horrific.
    Beano wrote: »
    they were still doing it in private until the 1970s.
    Yep, I can remember it coming on the news about the last one had been carried out and that was the very late 70's.

    Second aside; the term capital punishment comes from the Latin word for Head "Caput" so beheading was associated with it very early on.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #104
    Custardpi
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    No Pants wrote: »
    Actually it's the choice of the citizens of the state, the peers of the offender.

    In a democratic state it is assumed that the institutions of the state are acting as agents of the citizens will, I didn't think that needed to be said. Still a choice to be made.


  • #105
    No Pants
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    Maphisto wrote: »
    I was listeneing to a thing on Newstalk about someone from Tuam who was actually French. I couldn't find the thing again if I tried.

    Anyway he was a French General fought the British in India before the French Revolution. He lost, was captured and held prisoner in England. The French put him on trial for treason in his absence. He gave his parole to his captors (very gentlemanly) and went back to France for the trial.

    He was found guilty. Verdict was beheading by sword (guillotine was yet to be invented or brought into use). The execution was bungled and this guy some minutes trying to hold his head in place.:eek:

    Maybe someone knows who I'm rambling on about?
    And he called Newstalk? I would have sought medical attention first.


  • #106
    endacl
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    It's grand lads. They have it sorted!



  • #107
    arybvtcw0eolkf
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    Sugar Free wrote: »
    Pretty sure it's the other way around i.e. only one member is firing a blank, the rest use live ammunition. I believe the idea was because the firing squad was informed that there was one person with a blank, that they could hold out hope that it was they who had the blank ammunition.

    The moment you squeeze the trigger you'd know whether you had the blank or live round.


  • #108
    No Pants
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    Custardpi wrote: »
    In a democratic state it is assumed that the institutions of the state are acting as agents of the citizens will, I didn't think that needed to be said. Still a choice to be made.
    And they've made it. The jury also made the choice upon conviction.


  • #109
    Maphisto
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    No Pants wrote: »
    And he called Newstalk? I would have sought medical attention first.

    Huh :confused:


  • #110
    Custardpi
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    No Pants wrote: »
    And they've made it. The jury also made the choice upon conviction.

    And have thus made themselves culpable by proxy in the coldblooded murder of another human being. Surely in 2014 humanity can aspire to better than that.


  • #111
    Shakespeare's Sister
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    catallus wrote: »
    Why so much misplaced compassion for a person who committed such a heinous crime that it merits the death penalty?
    It's not compassion from me, it's finding state sanctioned ending of life (no matter whose) very disturbing. It's the ramifications it would have for society in general that concern me, not the individuals who commit those crimes. Life imprisonment in a high-security facility should be the punishment for the worst crimes.


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  • #112
    dj jarvis
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    househero wrote: »
    143 people on Death Row have subsequently been proven innocent.

    a recent study put it at around 10% of cases have been proven to be innocent , not sure how many live or died


  • #113
    househero
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    The danger is in abuse of the system...

    If a discriminatory political party was voted in (People seem to forget that the right wing Nazi's were actually a political group) they would legally have all they need for a new Holocaust without passing any new laws.

    It was NOT that long ago that a certain ethnic group in the US suffered great indignity, hardship and segregation. Texas murders more prisoners than any other state.


    The greatest President of the USA will abolish capital punishment and make owning guns illegal. Too many innocent lives lost to weak leadership.


  • #114
    Pat Custard
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    Death by hanging (if done well) usually results in instant death (or at least instant unconsciousness).


  • #115
    steddyeddy
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    Joanna Warm Society wrote: »
    The moment you squeeze the trigger you'd know whether you had the blank or live round.

    Is it something to do with the recoil?


  • #116
    thee glitz
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    Why don't they... why don't they kill the killer by the means they used? Sure, they might need some relaxants to carry out - it'd be fair though. That said, I dislike the death penalty. It's too good for some and an irreversible mistake perpetrated on others.


  • #117
    end of the road
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    Maphisto wrote: »
    Interesting article

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-27586067

    What seems even more perverse is that she will be allowed to nurse the baby for 2 years before sentence is carried out.

    Speechless

    and they will probably preach the bible before or after they kill her, good old murika

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #118
    Mike747
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 383 ✭✭Mike747


    Don't know about the rest of you, but if I had a choice of execution, I'd pick the firing squad. Sounds less brutal than hanging or the electric chair. I wouldn't trust them not to **** up the lethal injection.

    And I'd be dying like a man, so that would be a comfort.


  • #119
    arybvtcw0eolkf
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    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Is it something to do with the recoil?

    Yes, and it sounds different too. But mostly its in the recoil. You'd know.


  • #120
    steddyeddy
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    Joanna Warm Society wrote: »
    Yes, and it sounds different too. But mostly its in the recoil. You'd know.

    Interesting, thanks!


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  • #121
    seamus
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    thee glitz wrote: »
    Why don't they... why don't they kill the killer by the means they used? Sure, they might need some relaxants to carry out - it'd be fair though. That said, I dislike the death penalty. It's too good for some and an irreversible mistake perpetrated on others.
    Should this apply to all crimes? So rapists should be raped, muggers should be beaten and have money taken from them, drunk drivers should see their children run over by a vehicle, that kind of thing?


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