should we pay sean fitzpatricks fees?

steveone · 26-05-2014 02:53PM #1

He has some neck- the state will probably run for cover and pay up now that the stick of legal action is being waved...

keano_afc · 26-05-2014 02:54PM

The state probably will. He has enough dirt to bury them I'd imagine.

Aongus Von Bismarck · 26-05-2014 02:55PM

Yes, the state lost.

Otherwise the state can take spurious cases against anyone and bankrupt them in the process.

donegal__road · 26-05-2014 03:00PM

his defense barrister is brother of developer and Anglo debtor Grehan

Three top Anglo trial defence barristers share €1m

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gugleguy · 26-05-2014 03:07PM

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

Yes, the state lost..

The Golden Circle won in this regard.

IK09 · 26-05-2014 03:10PM

No fan of his, but why should he have to pick up the bill? He was accused of doing something, there wasnt proof to say he was guilty.

With that kind of logic, if you cant pay for a defense.....your guilty. That is not justice.

You silly sauage.

InReality · 26-05-2014 03:14PM

donegal__road wrote: »

his defense barrister is brother of developer and Anglo debtor Grehan

Three top Anglo trial defence barristers share €1m

.

Its gas and kinda sad at the same time. One elite group with all the connections and money.

thebaz · 26-05-2014 03:15PM

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

Yes, the state lost.

Otherwise the state can take spurious cases against anyone and bankrupt them in the process.

so its the citizens of Irelands fault that Anglo practically bankrupt the state , and we now have had to endure 6 years of austerity , that has driven many to the grave ?

- no **** off Seanie , you have caused eneogh damage to Ireland with your bailout.

steveone · 26-05-2014 03:29PM

thebaz wrote: »

so its the citizens of Irelands fault that Anglo practically bankrupt the state , and we now have had to endure 6 years of austerity , that has driven many to the grave ?

- no **** off Seanie , you have caused eneogh damage to Ireland with your bailout.

Enduring austerity wouldnt be so bad if there wasn't a lava flow of money heading to the cronies,banks and people getting away scot free with almost bankrupting the state. Its despicable. Sure we might as well pay it. Its our fault.

SEPT 23 1989 · 26-05-2014 03:34PM

I could imagine him standing there on the steps of the courthouse holding his big novelty size cheque like the charities use smiling like a Cheshire cat

AnonoBoy · 26-05-2014 03:37PM

I'm sending all my UPC bills for the next five years to Seanie Fitz.

Craig Doyle said I could, it's one of the new bonus features of the Horizon package.

Lenin Skynard · 26-05-2014 03:38PM

We absolutely should. I've a special piggy bank set aside and I've been depositing all my spare cash into it for Seanie's fees. God bless him.

Reformed Character · 26-05-2014 03:39PM

steveone wrote: »

He has some neck- the state will probably run for cover and pay up now that the stick of legal action is being waved...

Having been found not guilty and having his presumption of innocence maintained, why should he have to pay for a needless prosecution that was always doomed to failure?

Reformed Character · 26-05-2014 03:40PM

donegal__road wrote: »

his defense barrister is brother of developer and Anglo debtor Grehan

Three top Anglo trial defence barristers share €1m

.

So what?

donegal__road · 26-05-2014 04:03PM

upyores wrote: »

So what?

so its double-doosh for the tax payer.. we are paying a barrister to defend S. Fitz and Co. against charges for dubious lending to developers, one of whom happens to be a brother of the barrister, who owes Anglo €300 million and now that Anglo has been nationalised we, the taxpayer, are paying this also.

SEPT 23 1989 · 26-05-2014 04:41PM

donegal__road wrote: »

so its double-doosh for the tax payer.. we are paying a barrister to defend S. Fitz and Co. against charges for dubious lending to developers, one of whom happens to be a brother of the barrister, who owes Anglo €300 million and now that Anglo has been nationalised we, the taxpayer, are paying this also.

country is a total cess pit at the so called top

tipptom · 26-05-2014 04:53PM

They never had a chance of convicting of this so I guess he should not have to pay when he was inevitably cleared.
Hope they have more luck with convicting him of hiding the 90m money that was borrowed and hidden with Fingers bank for each audit,some say there was nothing illegal done but I cant get my head around that.

Reformed Character · 26-05-2014 06:11PM

donegal__road wrote: »

so its double-doosh for the tax payer.. we are paying a barrister to defend S. Fitz and Co. against charges for dubious lending to developers, one of whom happens to be a brother of the barrister, who owes Anglo €300 million and now that Anglo has been nationalised we, the taxpayer, are paying this also.

The man was found not guilty. You appear to have missed that point.

Hootanany · 26-05-2014 06:50PM

But who appointed the Judge?

donegal__road · 26-05-2014 07:35PM

upyores wrote: »

The man was found not guilty. You appear to have missed that point.

I don't know what you mean. I didn't miss that point because if he had been found guilty, then the state wouldn't be paying his legal fees, and this thread would not have been started.

ie. it went without saying that he was found not guilty.

My point was this: as well as the state having to pay his legal fees (because he was found not guilty), the state also has to pay for the €300 million debt that his defense barrister's brother owed Anglo (of which he was CEO at one stage).

See what I mean?

SaveOurLyric · 26-05-2014 08:09PM

Its the mark of civilised society to help out those who fall on hard times.

Davarus Walrus · 26-05-2014 08:12PM

The State took a case and he was found not guilty. He's fully entitled to look for his significant fees to be paid. I mightn't have much time for Seanie's acts of largesse during the Celtic Tiger, but it would be a dark day for democracy if he wasn't able to make a claim such as this.

tayto lover · 26-05-2014 08:14PM

I thought he got free Legal Aid anyway.
He was accused of a crime and he won his case so he deserves to have his expenses paid. Just like we sent David Drumm a 7k tax rebate to America. It was due to him.

Davarus Walrus · 26-05-2014 08:17PM

tayto lover wrote: »

I thought he got free Legal Aid anyway.
He was accused of a crime and he won his case so he deserves to have his expenses paid. Just like we sent David Drumm a 7k tax rebate to America. It was due to him.

Living in a functioning democracy will often involve there being instances where personal emotions cloud judgements. There is no such thing as a utopia. As other have elucidated upon, what would stop the State taking spurious cases against citizens if there wasn't such a measure in place?

Tail Docker · 26-05-2014 09:21PM

Happily, he will exit the Bankruptcy process in June, and then back to business. Speed-bump, only a speedbump.

AndonHandon · 26-05-2014 09:33PM

Tail Docker wrote: »

Happily, he will exit the Bankruptcy process in June, and then back to business. Speed-bump, only a speedbump.

Let the boys play.

tipptom · 27-05-2014 04:05PM

I think during his bankruptcy that he said he only had €745 left,this surly would have made him eligble for legal aid,did he receive legal aid or does he have to show how he intended to pay his lawyers if he didn't.

How does Sean Quinn pay for 7 different high court cases with top legal representative's and still claim to be flat broke?.A decent size multi millionaire would not be able to pay the burden of these costs considering the research,investigation and court cases,the bill for correspondences letters alone must be out of most wealthy peoples means!

Reformed Character · 27-05-2014 04:10PM

donegal__road wrote: »

I don't know what you mean. I didn't miss that point because if he had been found guilty, then the state wouldn't be paying his legal fees, and this thread would not have been started.

ie. it went without saying that he was found not guilty.

My point was this: as well as the state having to pay his legal fees (because he was found not guilty), the state also has to pay for the €300 million debt that his defense barrister's brother owed Anglo (of which he was CEO at one stage).

See what I mean?

So you are saying we should pursue one mans character and sully it because he brother was a bollix.
Classy!

Reformed Character · 27-05-2014 04:12PM

Hootanany wrote: »

But who appointed the Judge?

Its unlikely that Seanie Fitz did.
Are you alleging judicial corruption?

Coat22 · 27-05-2014 04:38PM

Of course he should have his fees paid (or at least those agreed as reasonable by the taxing master)

He was found not guilty. Should never have been tried in the first place (or at least if he was he should have been as part of the entire board of directors) and in any case what was achieved by an expensive trial which ended with 2 lads being sent for community service?

More inept public sector decisions. Pay the man’s fees and move on.

hatrickpatrick · 27-05-2014 04:48PM

Yes absolutely. He was found innocent in court, and the law must be applied equally in all cases - imagine what would happen if we made people pay for their own prosecutions even when found innocent? First step towards tyranny in my view.

People need to realise that the crimes for which he was tried before the court recently were not the same crimes that led to the share price collapsing. Those involved loans to himself and others which were hidden from the books through clever manipulation of dates and transfers, and will be tried next year.

While I support anyone who attacks the leniency of the sentences for his co-accused and convicted in the recent case, it would be a mistake to suggest that his verdict was a miscarriage of justice. There were many separate crimes committed at Anglo and each will be tried separately - those for which Seanie is regarded as a villain have yet to be tried.

Patience.

should we pay sean fitzpatricks fees?

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