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CramCycle · 27-05-2014 03:25PM

LordChessington wrote: »

1 in 20 seems rather high. Have you got a source for this?

Ditto, this means that there was at least one child molester in each year in my NS. 5 in my first year in secondary school. In the first year of my college course there were 10 child molesters and in my work place right now, someone who I had lunch with is a child molester. Better warn the MD straight away.

Mr. CooL ICE · 27-05-2014 03:26PM

RobertKK wrote: »

When the changes are made, a same sex couple whether homosexual or heterosexual can marry and jointly apply to adopt.

shruikan2553 · 27-05-2014 03:26PM

RobertKK wrote: »

The state plans on changing adoption laws before the referendum.

When the changes are made, a same sex couple whether homosexual or heterosexual can marry and jointly apply to adopt.

I know some would have issues with putting child protection as the most important issue.
The changes will make it easier to adopt as the fear of namecalling like such a person is homophobic as they turned down the application for adoption, will make it more likely for the adoption to happen.
All one needs is a good record and like any couple, just put on a good show for the adoption agency.

And a heterosexual couple can't already do this?

RobertKK · 27-05-2014 03:29PM

Nodin wrote: »

So you've nothing against Gay (lesbian) marriage and Gay(lesbian) adoption?

I don't see the need for same sex marriage.

From an adoption point of view, lesbian adoptions are a far safer option, but the best will always be a man and woman as each of the sexes have different qualities.

Bubbaclaus · 27-05-2014 03:31PM

RobertKK wrote: »

The state plans on changing adoption laws before the referendum.

When the changes are made, a same sex couple whether homosexual or heterosexual can marry and jointly apply to adopt.

I know some would have issues with putting child protection as the most important issue.
The changes will make it easier to adopt as the fear of namecalling like such a person is homophobic as they turned down the application for adoption, will make it more likely for the adoption to happen.
All one needs is a good record and like any couple, just put on a good show for the adoption agency.

You've just killed your own argument against same-sex marriage there.

Skylinehead · 27-05-2014 03:31PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Biological parents in most cases is the best option.

But one of the biological parents is a man. How do you propose we deal with this?

RobertKK · 27-05-2014 03:31PM

shruikan2553 wrote: »

And a heterosexual couple can't already do this?

If you are referring to the last line, that was applying to all adoptions.

RobertKK · 27-05-2014 03:33PM

Skylinehead wrote: »

But one of the biological parents is a man. How do you propose we deal with this?

Read my other posts already answered this, as in biological parents come first, whether a man or woman.

shruikan2553 · 27-05-2014 03:33PM

RobertKK wrote: »

If you are referring to the last line, that was applying to all adoptions.

And you said biological parents are best option. If we are assuming everyone going to adopt is a child abuser shouldn't we ban it? It has no bearing on same sex marriage.

Bubbaclaus · 27-05-2014 03:34PM

RobertKK wrote: »

I don't see the need for same sex marriage.

I assume you are white and male. If so, then "I don't see the need for same sex marriage." is the exact same as saying:

"I don't see the need for women having a vote"

"I don't see the need for black people having rights"

Some people "don't see the need" for things that don't affect them. It's a distinct lack of empathy really.

RobertKK · 27-05-2014 03:35PM

LordChessington wrote: »

You don't think two heterosexual men who are paedophiles couldn't marry and who have no record of abuse couldn't then apply to jointly adopt a child?

Same sex marriage doesn't mean the couple have to be gay. They don't do tests...

Bubbaclaus · 27-05-2014 03:36PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Read my other posts already answered this, as in biological parents come first, whether a man or woman.

Adoption is required because the biological parents are not an option, so I don't know why you are even mentioning them.

Daith · 27-05-2014 03:37PM

RobertKK wrote: »

You don't think two heterosexual men who are paedophiles couldn't marry and who have no record of abuse couldn't then apply to jointly adopt a child?

Same sex marriage doesn't mean the couple have to be gay. They don't do tests...

Why would they need to marry? A single male person can adopt a child.

Hence you know....nothing to do with gay marriage.

You also seem to think it's quite easy to adopt in Ireland when to be honest there's very few children put up for adoption here.

RobertKK · 27-05-2014 03:37PM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

I assume you are white and male. If so, then "I don't see the need for same sex marriage." is the exact same as saying:

"I don't see the need for women having a vote"

"I don't see the need for black people having rights"

Some people "don't see the need" for things that don't affect them. It's a distinct lack of empathy really.

Marriage is primarily the basis for a stable upbringing of the couple's biological children.

You cannot compare that to women voting or treating people with a different skin pigmentation differently.

ben.schlomo · 27-05-2014 03:37PM

RobertKK wrote: »

You don't think two heterosexual men who are paedophiles couldn't marry and who have no record of abuse couldn't then apply to jointly adopt a child?

Same sex marriage doesn't mean the couple have to be gay. They don't do tests...

Even for AH this is batsh1t crazy stuff.

Bubbaclaus · 27-05-2014 03:38PM

RobertKK wrote: »

You don't think two heterosexual men who are paedophiles couldn't marry and who have no record of abuse couldn't then apply to jointly adopt a child?

Why can't a heterosexual man married to a woman do the same thing?

RobertKK · 27-05-2014 03:38PM

Daith wrote: »

Why would they need to marry? A single male person can adopt a child.

Hence you know....nothing to do with gay marriage.

More credibility, I am sure it will have a higher regard when it comes to adoption as seen as a more stable situation.

Kiwi in IE · 27-05-2014 03:38PM

RobertKK wrote: »

I don't know why you call people fruitcakes.

You would want everyone supporting the killing of the unborn as a woman's right, we must all support gay marriage.
People are fruitcakes if they don't hold your values, and we must have your values forced on the rest of the population, which is the irony.
Let the people as a society decide want they want.

It is quite clear people like you would rather a certain section of society went unrepresented and for those who hold liberal social values to be the only ones allowed to be heard and represented.
Then you talk about fruitcakes.

I don't believe people need representation to allow them to impose their irrational personal 'values' on the entire population, including those who do not share said 'values'. I realise that referring to homophobia as a 'value' is wrong on many levels, hence the quotation marks.

Those who are against abortion already have the right to not have an abortion and that right continues to be upheld in countries where abortion is appropriately available.

Those opposed to equal marriage are not, and will not be required to marry a person of the same gender once equal marriage is recognised.

So why do they need representation on these issues again? How are their rights threatened by others being allowed to act according to their own conscience on issues that have no effect on anyone else, and are quite frankly none of anyone else's business?

Bubbaclaus · 27-05-2014 03:39PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Marriage is primarily the basis for a stable upbringing of the couple's biological children.

You cannot compare that to women voting or treating people with a different skin pigmentation differently.

Yes you can. You just refuse to.

irishgrover · 27-05-2014 03:39PM

RobertKK: I'm confused, you have nothing against same sex marriage and adoption when only lesbians are involved? With regards to lesbians adoptions; should they be allowed to adopt boys or just girls, or does the gender of a child adopted by married lesbians matter?

CramCycle · 27-05-2014 03:39PM

RobertKK wrote: »

1 in 3,300 women who molest children versus 1 in 20 men who sexually abuse children.

LordChessington wrote: »

1 in 20 seems rather high. Have you got a source for this?

Again, are you going to give a source? Where did you get this horse sh1t from?

RobertKK · 27-05-2014 03:41PM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Why can't a heterosexual man married to a woman do the same thing?

It is far easier for a man to find another man when the stats are 1 in 20 compared to 1 in 3300 for women.

Daith · 27-05-2014 03:41PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Marriage is primarily the basis for a stable upbringing of the couple's biological children.

So a man and woman have a child and not married. The child won't be brought up stable until they get married?

Bubbaclaus · 27-05-2014 03:42PM

RobertKK wrote: »

It is far easier for a man to find another man when the stats are 1 in 20 compared to 1 in 3300 for women.

I'll become the 4th person to ask.

A source for this 1/20 and 1/3300 stat please.

RobertKK · 27-05-2014 03:42PM

CramCycle wrote: »

Again, are you going to give a source? Where did you get this horse sh1t from?

I did earlier....here again:
http://www.childmolestationprevention.org/pages/tell_others_the_facts.html

An estimated one in 20 teenage boys and adult men sexually abuse children, and an estimated one teenage girl or adult woman in every 3,300 females molests children.

Bubbaclaus · 27-05-2014 03:44PM

RobertKK wrote: »

It is far easier for a man to find another man when the stats are 1 in 20 compared to 1 in 3300 for women.

So, therefore, it is also far easier for a man/woman relationship to contain 2 child abusers than a woman/woman relationship.

So therefore the traditional marriage should also be banned.

Using your own logic, of course.

Yes?

RobertKK · 27-05-2014 03:45PM

Daith wrote: »

So a man and woman have a child and not married. The child won't be brought up stable until they get married?

It could be stable, then if married it depends on what country you live in and the divorce rates....

Daith · 27-05-2014 03:46PM

RobertKK wrote: »

It could be stable, then if married it depends on what country you live in and the divorce rates....

So marriage mightn't be stable? So you are just taking ****e?

Bubbaclaus · 27-05-2014 03:47PM

RobertKK, how would you vote if the referendum was for same-sex marriage between 2 women only.

Yes or no?

shruikan2553 · 27-05-2014 03:50PM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

RobertKK, how would you vote if the referendum was for same-sex marriage between 2 women only.

Yes or no?

What if 2 men dress up as women and adopt? Its just not safe.

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