Convicted child killer canvassing for sinn fein[Mod warning-First Post]

Looks like Gilmore is gone , announcement at 4pm , good enough for him,
some man for changing his spots that lad :-)

dj jarvis wrote: »

so the state broadcaster is asking a president of a party and a TD some difficult questions pertaining to his past , some of things in his past MAY end up forcing him to resign and it upsets you so much you feel hard done by to pay you licence.

that some crazy logic there !!!!

i would imagine if the leaders of FF/FG/LAB had been linked to child abuse cases and murder(s) , they would probably be asking them the same questions , but funny , NONE of the other leaders have these things linked to them.

Lots on people this thread mistakenly labeling people whom question SF/Gerry's past as anti SF , but in fact , if it was any of the other leaders , the same questions would be asked

looks to me like SF supporters are very sensitive about this kind of questioning
becasue they are no going to like what might fall out of the closet

mainly skeletons i would imagine.

Have you never heard of the Section 31 case which went all the way to the supreme court? :rolleyes:
2 links here to refresh your memory about skeletons in closets.
first one from 1990 and 2nd from 2003 after the case;)

http://irishelectionliterature.wordpress.com/2012/02/08/trade-unionist-takes-on-rte-censorship-larry-otoole-related-anti-section-31-leaflet-from-the-free-speech-legal-fund/

http://www.anphoblacht.com/contents/9892


The Larry O'Toole case - RTE self-censorship exposed
As key sections of a Sinn Féin Ard Fheis were screened live by RTE for the first time last weekend, JOHN O'LEARY reminds us that March also marked the tenth anniversary of the Supreme Court decision that ended the national broadcaster's eager adherence to state censorship of republicans


Ten years ago, in April 1993, then Sinn Féin member and trade union leader Larry O'Toole saw the Supreme Court put a second nail in the coffin of Section 31 censorship. The first nail had been driven home the previous July, when the High Court found that RTE had illegally banned Larry O'Toole from the airwaves under Section 31 of the Broadcasting Act.

Larry represented fellow union members in the Gateaux bakery dispute in Finglas in Dublin in 1990. RTE broadcast an interview with him as the workers' leader. RTE interviewed him again, but then refused to broadcast Larry's views. RTE confirmed it was because he was a member of Sinn Féin. The Section 31 censorship law banned spokespersons for Sinn Féin. RTE extended it to ban all members, no matter what they were talking about or whether they were speaking on behalf of Sinn Féin or not.


Censorship


Section 31 was brought in by Fianna Fáil in 1971 to deny a voice to republicans and to deny the population of the 26 Counties the truth about British brutality in the North. The conservative elite that ruled the South wanted to talk about unity but not to do anything about it. They panicked when nationalists in the North rose up against the British Army and unionist reaction. A system of thought control was instituted by Jack Lynch and reinforced by the Cosgrave, Cooney, O'Brien government after 1973.

RTE independence was squashed. The Authority was sacked, independent reporters lost their jobs or were moved to non-controversial areas like religion and children's programmes. RTE management brought in a regime of self-censorship that suppressed investigations into the Dublin-Monaghan bombings, the Garda Heavy Gang and the Birmingham Six. The NUJ said in 1976 that journalists were afraid to question government policy on the North.


Self-censorship


Openly anti-republican journalists were promoted and independent journalists suffered McCarthy type smears. Now President Mary McAleese recounts how she was ridiculed in RTE when she said that Bobby Sands could win the 1981 Fermanagh South Tyrone by-election. According to McAleese, RTE's Joe Mulholland passively presided over a team that called RTE's Forbes McFaul "a ****ing provo" because they did not like a report on the hunger strikes.

This was typical of the atmosphere of suffocating anti-republicanism and anti-objectivity that thrived in RTE. Some RTE journalists openly campaigned to retain censorship. They were in tune with their managerial and political masters. They now write for the Sunday Independent, still batting on the same sticky wicket.


Joe Mulholland


It was fitting, therefore, that it was Joe Mulholland who wrote to Larry O'Toole in late 1990, confirming that he was banned under Section 31. These were the letters that the High Court confirmed as an illegal extension of censorship. The RTE news manager who claimed to be upholding the law and to be opposing republican law breaking was found to be a law-breaker on behalf of RTE and a willing self-censor.


I'm RTE - censor me!


After the High Court judgement, RTE was freed to interview Sinn Féin members involved in trade union, community or other activities. What did RTE do? Did they welcome this increase in their editorial freedom? No, they refused to obey the judgement and appealed to the Supreme Court to be re-censored. This decision bounced through increasingly astonished editorial rooms around the world. The reaction of the prestigious US Newspaper Guild was typical:

"We are astonished that RTE, instead of welcoming this liberal interpretation of an abhorrent censorship statute, is asking the Irish Supreme Court for a greater restriction of its free-speech rights."


Supreme Court


When the appeal was heard, even the conservative Supreme Court was astonished. When asked by the Court, RTE said that they would refuse to allow an actor who was a member of Sinn Féin to appear in a soap ad. The decision of the Court was clear: RTE had gone far beyond the law. RTE's confident regime of lies, half-truths and promotion of anti-republican propaganda was exposed. The eyes of the audience were opened to the sorry excuse for journalism to which RTE had been reduced.

Larry O'Toole and Sinn Féin went on to greater success. Larry was elected and is now a councillor in Dublin. Sinn Féin used the case to begin to break the wall of silence in the South. The audience already suspected that something was wrong when Bobby Sands and other republicans were elected in the North. The winning of the Larry O'Toole case strengthened the hand of then Minister Michel D Higgins when he got rid of Section 31 altogether the following January, a full eight months before the IRA ceasefire in August 1994.

RTE was dragged kicking and screaming into a regime of non-censorship ten years ago this month. They still have difficulty coping.

Happyman42 wrote: »

Give us a shout when these 'things' fall out of the closet.
Michael Martin is 'linked' to the destruction of this country, Enda is as well by acquiescing to it all and being quite happy to go along with it.
Was any of them asked would they be resigning as party leader?

RTE partisanship in these matters is something that has been pointed out many times. Like you, if they have anything to actually 'link' Adams to either membership or a crime then they should spell out what it is. Produce these skeletons or shut up about it.

I'm sure SF just love it as the assassination attempts are counter-productive in the extreme.

Notwithstanding that, I would prefer to have an unbiased and dependable national broadcaster.

but none of them questioned about murder or child abuse !!!

come back to me when they have questions to answer like Gerry does,

and if SF love the "assassination" attempts then them and their supporters should REALLY stop getting SO upset every time their shady past is mentioned

you would swear there was something to hide the way people go on
as i said , time will tell , if he has nothing to answer for then happy days for him , nothing like clearing up allegations to stop the anti SF state media among others to stop asking those silly awkward questions

davycc wrote: »

we were talking about your apparent amazement that the state broadcaster would be biased if you recall

have you ever heard of the section 31 case? what your thoughts on the FACTS of the courts rulings on it and the biased rule itself?

RTE still have a problem with SF to this very day sad to say in 2014:(

no , this thread is about a convicted child murder canvassing for SF , the same party that has it leader being questioned about sexual abuse and murder

the SF arse licking thread is thisaway ..........http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057216337

so , you are asking people to believe that if Kenny , Martin or Gilmore had the same things hanging over their past , that RTE would not be asking them about it ???? i also dont remember the above leaders being the official spokesperson for a terrorist organization. !!!!
come on lads

Dont be so afraid , sure according to you all here SF and its leaders and DAZ white , so dont be frettin boys

and can you point out my "amazement" , becasue i dont remember being amazed today ???
or are you being melodramatic to try forward your "point"

i wonder

we were talking about your apparent amazement that the state broadcaster would be biased if you recall

have you ever heard of the section 31 case? what your thoughts on the FACTS of the courts rulings on it and the biased rule itself?

RTE still have a problem with SF to this very day sad to say in 2014


Well cant you just give your opinion on this ruling and to be fair you seemed astonished and in disbelief in your reply that the state broadcaster would have any bias at all to any party

davycc wrote: »

we were talking about your apparent amazement that the state broadcaster would be biased if you recall

have you ever heard of the section 31 case? what your thoughts on the FACTS of the courts rulings on it and the biased rule itself?

RTE still have a problem with SF to this very day sad to say in 2014


Well cant you just give your opinion on this ruling and to be fair you seemed astonished and in disbelief in your reply that the state broadcaster would have any bias at all to any party

care to show me this "amazment" ?? i never said one thing about RTE apparent bias against SF,
what i said was if the other leaders had the questions about their past like Adams does , you are telling me they would not pose them the same questions ???

its a straight question , but people on this thread are very deft at side stepping , how shall i put this , touchy subjects?

dj jarvis wrote: »

care to show me this "amazment" ?? i never said one thing about RTE apparent bias against SF,
what i said was if the other leaders had the questions about their past like Adams does , you are telling me they would not pose them the same questions ???

its a straight question , but people on this thread are very deft at side stepping , how shall i put this , touchy subjects?

ok maybe not quite amazement but you used a lot of exclamation marks :p can you answer the questions over the section 31 rule on RTE offical documented anti sinn bias

have you ever heard of the section 31 case? what your thoughts on the FACTS of the courts rulings on it and the biased rule itself?