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Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

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  • #2342
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    italodisco wrote: »
    I do, but you'll find it's the able bodied doing most if the moaning .

    Christ how do the folk in Syria and the likes get by ....

    If oneD or Garthy want to play in Syria then that's fine with me. They would probably organize it better and stick to agreements. You like to use the word moaning a lot, so peoples lives being disrupted is considered to be moaning by you :rolleyes:


  • #2343
    cena
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,180 ✭✭✭✭cena


    Do those that live around Corke park get free tickets for events when they are on?


  • #2344
    italodisco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,426 ✭✭✭italodisco


    bumper234 wrote: »
    If oneD or Garthy want to play in Syria then that's fine with me. They would probably organize it better and stick to agreements. You like to use the word moaning a lot, so peoples lives being disrupted is considered to be moaning by you :rolleyes:


    Listen do-gooder, I'm a croker resident too. Many of my family are , young and elderly.

    We're getting on with our lives. We aren't moaning .

    Our lives aren't stopped and put on hold by the gigs. Disrupted YES , put on hold NO

    If a 82 yr old relative on a frame is getting on with things I think we should be able to .


  • #2345
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    italodisco wrote: »
    Listen do-gooder, I'm a croker resident too. Many of my family are , young and elderly.

    We're getting on with our lives. We aren't moaning .

    Our lives aren't stopped and put on hold by the gigs. Disrupted YES , put on hold NO

    If a 82 yr old relative on a frame is getting on with things I think we should be able to .

    And you are the only family living in the area right? :rolleyes:


  • #2346
    italodisco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,426 ✭✭✭italodisco


    bumper234 wrote: »
    And you are the only family living in the area right? :rolleyes:

    No , and we are part of the majority that aren't winjy moans .

    Ye can use the elderly and sick as your excuses al ye want but that's not the reality .

    Most of the people living down there have no interest in any croker residents groups etc...

    If they did there would be a few thousand at the meetings ye have.

    Simple . Very. Simple

    Yawn


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  • #2347
    spurious
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    cena wrote: »
    Do those that live around Corke park get free tickets for events when they are on?

    Some inside the cordon do, though it's those of us outside the cordon have to put up with the parking issues every weekend of the summer. Still, for the first time ever, they asked us this year to outline issues we face with events, so maybe someone is finally aware that the influence of Croke park events is spreading well away from the location itself.

    The noise and general crowds I don't mind, apart from the doorway pissers of course - you have to expect crowds near a venue. Get them all to use public transport I say. Or assemble somewhere and bus them in. Give some people work instead of pissing off not so locals.


  • #2348
    italodisco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,426 ✭✭✭italodisco


    Yes doorway pissers need a good kick up the pipe


  • #2349
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,222 ✭ [Deleted User]


    bumper234 wrote: »
    If oneD or Garthy want to play in Syria then that's fine with me.

    They are suffering enough.... this would just be cruel


  • #2350
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 55,101 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    spurious wrote: »
    Some inside the cordon do, though it's those of us outside the cordon have to put up with the parking issues every weekend of the summer. Still, for the first time ever, they asked us this year to outline issues we face with events, so maybe someone is finally aware that the influence of Croke park events is spreading well away from the location itself.

    The noise and general crowds I don't mind, apart from the doorway pissers of course - you have to expect crowds near a venue. Get them all to use public transport I say. Or assemble somewhere and bus them in. Give some people work instead of pissing off not so locals.

    There should be park and ride schemes in place from the various main routes that come in to Dublin.

    And they could have bus pick up points from various places within the city for the people attending from Dublin who don't live on the Luas / Dart etc.


  • #2351
    italodisco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,426 ✭✭✭italodisco


    awec wrote: »
    There should be park and ride schemes in place from the various main routes that come in to Dublin.

    And they could have bus pick up points from various places within the city for the people attending from Dublin who don't live on the Luas / Dart etc.

    That should be the rule of thumb .


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  • #2352
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    awec wrote: »
    There should be park and ride schemes in place from the various main routes that come in to Dublin.

    And they could have bus pick up points from various places within the city for the people attending from Dublin who don't live on the Luas / Dart etc.

    Or croke park could stick to the agreement that was made and not make people suffer yet another 5 nights of disruption.


  • #2353
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 13,842 ✭ [Deleted User]


    cena wrote: »
    Do those that live around Corke park get free tickets for events when they are on?

    I don't get the free tickets thing.

    If you are near enough to a venue that you can hear a concert, why the fook would you bother leaving the comfort of your own home and garden to hear the same thing somewhere else? Plus, you can drink your own reasonably priced beer and use your own loo! :D


  • #2354
    Tarzana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Tarzana


    Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »
    im not from nor do i live in the area but all these fecking restrictions have effected me over the last 3 days trying to get to places in drumcondra or even pass through the place.

    complete utter mess and boggers not knowing where their going and nearly causing accidents and clogging up every bit of space possible.

    no way. hope these garth brooks gigs are cancelled or not approved.

    Yeah, I was in Drumcondra getting my hair cut on Saturday and it was a fooking nightmare. Yeah, yeah, I could have gone elsewhere, but this was 2pm. Way before the concerts and it was still massively disruptive. My boyfriend drove me there from where we live. It took 30 mins to drive about 5kms.


  • #2355
    Tarzana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Tarzana


    Ash.J.Williams wrote: »
    it wasn't the best idea in the world to have something to do in drumcondra during a one direction gig...just like it's not a great idea to have something on in the docklands if one direction were on in the o2

    Bad example there. The O2 is far less chaotic anyway, and not in the centre of a large residential area.


  • #2356
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,537 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    bumper234 wrote: »
    How did you get your kids to school?

    How did you get to Tesco for the shopping when you have 3 kids?

    walk, kids these days could do with the exercise, mammy and daddy always driving them a few feet up the road in the 8 by 8 or whatever its called can't be a good idea

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #2357
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,537 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    italodisco wrote: »
    It's the younger more recent residents


    who have a celtic tiger sense of entitlement, and who probably talk with a fake d4 mixed with a fake american accent

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #2358
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,537 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »
    Did you ask them all ? I know of a few that are against them and feel betrayed because they thought their agreement was solid.

    Now they feel like residents been walked over.
    agreement? oh is this the mythical agreement that no proof of it exists for the public to view?

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #2359
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    end of the road wrote: »
    walk, kids these days could do with the exercise, mammy and daddy always driving them a few feet up the road in the 8 by 8 or whatever its called can't be a good idea

    SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHure:rolleyes:


  • #2360
    That_Guy
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    italodisco wrote: »
    If your journey to ashbourne took so long don't blame the gig , blame traffic management as that is clearly that issue.

    In fairness, I didn't blame the gig. I knew traffic would be bad but I didn't expect it to be as bad as that. An hour it took to get from Liberty Hall to the Withworth Road.

    The traffic wardens made an absolute bollocks of it all.


  • #2361
    smileyj1987
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,325 ✭✭✭smileyj1987


    end of the road wrote: »
    agreement? oh is this the mythical agreement that no proof of it exists for the public to view?

    If the agreement is so mythical then why haven't Aiken / Croke park come out and call it a load of crap ?


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  • #2362
    anncoates
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    end of the road wrote: »
    who have a celtic tiger sense of entitlement, and who probably talk with a fake d4 mixed with a fake american accent
    end of the road wrote: »
    walk, kids these days could do with the exercise, mammy and daddy always driving them a few feet up the road in the 8 by 8 or whatever its called can't be a good idea

    It's actually quite prescient to imply that only fat, pseudo-Americans with a massive sense of entitlement will descend on Dublin for the GB concerts.


  • #2363
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,537 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    bumper234 wrote: »
    Or croke park could stick to the agreement that was made and not make people suffer yet another 5 nights of disruption.
    but no agreement or evidence of an agreement exists

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #2364
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    anncoates wrote: »
    It's actually quite prescient to imply that only fat, pseudo-Americans with a massive sense of entitlement will descend on Dublin for the GB concerts.

    The only one who fits that description is good old Garthy himself :D


  • #2365
    AlekSmart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,004 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    spurious wrote: »
    Some inside the cordon do, though it's those of us outside the cordon have to put up with the parking issues every weekend of the summer. Still, for the first time ever, they asked us this year to outline issues we face with events, so maybe someone is finally aware that the influence of Croke park events is spreading well away from the location itself.

    The noise and general crowds I don't mind, apart from the doorway pissers of course - You have to expect crowds near a venue. Get them all to use public transport I say. Or assemble somewhere and bus them in. Give some people work instead of pissing off not so locals.

    I'm largely with Italodisco on this topic.

    The use of Croker for "Events" other than the National Game,is a relatively recent innovation.

    The GAA did indeed produce a glossy brochure for the opening of the revamped stadium,which made all sorts of glib assertions regarding a "Traffic Management Plan" for all major events.

    Traffic Management Plan- THERE IS NONE.

    The entire area surrounding the stadium descends into unregulated,unmanaged traffic chaos,largely because it's all done on a shoestring basis.

    Whilst the Gardai do have full control over the management of traffic,the reality is that their own internal command and control structures remain demonstrably chaotic during events.

    The entire ethos of the Croke Park Traffic Management Plan appears to centre on pretending that everything is grand....grand I tells ye.

    There is NO attempt to prioritize anything...except perhaps the Diocessan Car Park at Clonliffe College.

    Individual Gardai,on the day,usually appear totally bemused by whatever orders they have recieved,and as a result default to simply standing and waving in a non-specific manner.

    Additionally,when the focus needs to be on maintaining traffic flow on the Drumcondra Road artery,this is usually disregarded as Driver after Driver is facilitated to engage individiual Gardai in lengthy conversations through their windows...."Howaya Gard...whats on here then ?....How do I get to Clonsilla..etc etc..."

    I cringe inwardly each time I watch the half witted slovenly performance mounted for these events,as it is blatently obvious that NO TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN has actually been devised,tested and implemented...each event sees the rehash of the "usual".

    To think that the Croke Park authorities embarked on a €60,000,000 21st Century project leading to this sort of twittery tells us much about how and why Ireland Teo went bust,as these people were usually to be found at the top-table when Affairs of State were being discussed.

    Have a read of this from 2012,and ponder as to whether the Garth Brooks extraveganza will merit even a raised eyebrow from Dublins Administrative Classes....most likely now relaxing in the South of France....

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056762936

    Traffic Management Plan...are you joking or wha ?:(


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • #2366
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,302 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    end of the road wrote: »
    but no agreement or evidence of an agreement exists

    except for the show on tv3 that showed a copy of the agreement, so yeah, no proof other than a copy of it being shown on tv.


  • #2367
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,537 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    except for the show on tv3 that showed a copy of the agreement, so yeah, no proof other than a copy of it being shown on tv.
    could have been typed up speciffically for that program for all i know

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #2368
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,302 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    end of the road wrote: »
    could have been typed up speciffically for that program for all i know

    Right, so the residents typed up a fake agreement, tv3 showed this fake agreement and nobody from mcd or croke park complained? seems believable.


  • #2369
    Smidge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Smidge


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    Tractor.


    Will be interesting to see now, how the new City Council composition deals with residents legitimate complaints. 3 days of 1-D is enough evidence to present a comprehensive objection to the GB series of shows.

    The audio from inside peoples homes on RTE this morning from before and during the concert was intolerable for 8 nights over a single season. Id be blockading everything with every vehicle i could get my hands on.

    Have you a link for that by any chance? Wouldn't mind having a listen :)


  • #2370
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,231 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    AlekSmart wrote: »
    I'm largely with Italodisco on this topic.

    The use of Croker for "Events" other than the National Game,is a relatively recent innovation.

    The GAA did indeed produce a glossy brochure for the opening of the revamped stadium,which made all sorts of glib assertions regarding a "Traffic Management Plan" for all major events.

    Traffic Management Plan- THERE IS NONE.

    The entire area surrounding the stadium descends into unregulated,unmanaged traffic chaos,largely because it's all done on a shoestring basis.

    Whilst the Gardai do have full control over the management of traffic,the reality is that their own internal command and control structures remain demonstrably chaotic during events.

    The entire ethos of the Croke Park Traffic Management Plan appears to centre on pretending that everything is grand....grand I tells ye.

    There is NO attempt to prioritize anything...except perhaps the Diocessan Car Park at Clonliffe College.

    Individual Gardai,on the day,usually appear totally bemused by whatever orders they have recieved,and as a result default to simply standing and waving in a non-specific manner.

    Additionally,when the focus needs to be on maintaining traffic flow on the Drumcondra Road artery,this is usually disregarded as Driver after Driver is facilitated to engage individiual Gardai in lengthy conversations through their windows...."Howaya Gard...whats on here then ?....How do I get to Clonsilla..etc etc..."

    I cringe inwardly each time I watch the half witted slovenly performance mounted for these events,as it is blatently obvious that NO TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN has actually been devised,tested and implemented...each event sees the rehash of the "usual".

    To think that the Croke Park authorities embarked on a €60,000,000 21st Century project leading to this sort of twittery tells us much about how and why Ireland Teo went bust,as these people were usually to be found at the top-table when Affairs of State were being discussed.

    Have a read of this from 2012,and ponder as to whether the Garth Brooks extraveganza will merit even a raised eyebrow from Dublins Administrative Classes....most likely now relaxing in the South of France....

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056762936

    Traffic Management Plan...are you joking or wha ?:(

    Nobody makes a bigger mess of the traffic than AGS.
    Remember operation "Freeflow" every christmas in Dublin?
    Traffic would be heavy but moving until this kicked in and then everything would turn to shïte.

    It was also very clear that concert goers ignored AGS instructions not to queue before the gates opened. All the while a large number of garda stood and watched these people loitering from very early on in the day.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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  • #2371
    OldGoat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,642 ✭✭✭✭OldGoat


    end of the road wrote: »
    could have been typed up speciffically for that program for all i know

    An Bord Pleanala Planning Permission Register Reference No. 0238/92 is the specific document outlining the 3 extra events per annum and the requirement for the organisers to seek a licence for any subsequent events.

    Referenced here: http://www.dublincity.ie/Planning/Documents/crokeparkOneDirection.pdf

    and here: http://www.dublincity.ie/YourCouncil/LocalAreaServices/CentralArea/Documents/Agenda%20April%2008.pdf (page 36)

    and here: http://votemcauliffe.com/concern-raised-as-planning-doubts-hang-over-garth-brooks-concert/

    I'm older than Minecraft goats.



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