Carl Froch vs George Groves

Andrew Flexing · 20-05-2014 06:53PM

I think Groves is the type of fighter that Froch really struggles with. He has really fast hands and Froch just cant cope with it. I hope Froch can come up with something to stop Groves.

kcimd · 20-05-2014 07:15PM

Andrew Flexing wrote: »

I think Groves is the type of fighter that Froch really struggles with. He has really fast hands and Froch just cant cope with it. I hope Froch can come up with something to stop Groves.

agree, froch defo finds it hard against skillful quick fighters. hs style suits boxers that can move around the ring,quick,feet,quick hands,avoiding froch big shots and landing their own and moving off. in saying all that hes only been beaten really well by andre ward, the kessler loss was close. i'd love to see froch go out as a champion,proper warrior, not many boxer around today would do what he has done, fighting champion after champion,never ducked a fight, deserves alot of respect

kcimd · 20-05-2014 07:38PM

and also he was behind against jermain taylor but KO'd him in the 12th, and took a lot of punishment for 6 rounds against groves. froch granite chin and will to win gets him through a lot of fights. he looked bingoed when groves knocked him down in the first, very few people get up from those sort of shots

walshb · 22-05-2014 03:46PM

kcimd wrote: »

and also he was behind against jermain taylor but KO'd him in the 12th, and took a lot of punishment for 6 rounds against groves. froch granite chin and will to win gets him through a lot of fights. he looked bingoed when groves knocked him down in the first, very few people get up from those sort of shots

His saving grace with that shot was that it caught him sort of square on. His face absorbed more of it. Had it been a little more to either side of the face then he may have been out cold!

AdolfHipster · 23-05-2014 11:11AM

Think the fight will either be another [although defintive] late stoppage for Froch or else Groves is going to get him early Rds 1-3. George just needs to learn from the last night not too get too confident when he has success, Let Froch walk onto the punches himself.

MD1990 · 23-05-2014 12:49PM

Speed kills. I expect Groves to win on points easily.Froch's only hope is a KO.

walshb · 23-05-2014 12:57PM

MD1990 wrote: »

Speed kills. I expect Groves to win on points easily.Froch's only hope is a KO.

I think Groves wins a boxing match all night long. Not clear, but wins. He's faster and quicker and a better boxer. However, boxing doesn't always work like this. That's why it is George's fight to lose.

If he has strengthened a bit and improved his stamina a bit since November last then his chances are really good. Not sure about the chin for a one shot connection. Heavy one shot connection. His only saving grace is that Froch doesn't have that wow one shot speed/power combination. He's more a steady and hurtful and clubbing hitter.

I am going with Groves in this match. I just cannot decide on how!

nacho libre · 24-05-2014 11:06AM

I am going for Groves by late stoppage. Groves and his trainer will have felt that his conditioning wasn't as good as it could have been in the first fight, so we will see an improvement there.
Froch will be cagey in the rematch, as he was against Abraham, but, unlike in that fight, i expect he'll be forced to commit in the later rounds due to being well behind on points, then i think he'll be susceptible to being ko'd having weathered a lot of punishment early on.

Henno30 · 24-05-2014 05:34PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k04cQbsBph0

padjo5 · 24-05-2014 07:20PM

Groves' early dominance starting to fade?
Any idea what the crowd were looking the other way for there!?

obezyana · 24-05-2014 10:26PM

Froch looks like he is lost in the Froch/Groves face off on Sky Sports 1.

HigginsJ · 24-05-2014 10:50PM

obezyana wrote: »

Froch looks like he is lost in the Froch/Groves face off on Sky Sports 1.

Just watched it there and it is the 1st time I thought Froch has actually has a psychological advantage in a face off with Groves. Groves looked like a lost little child at the end

MD1990 · 24-05-2014 10:51PM

Froch is doing alot better in the pre-fight talk. But i don't think it really matters when it comes to the fight tbh.

robertxxx · 24-05-2014 10:54PM

Froch is my bet, but I usually loose when I bet!!

kryogen · 24-05-2014 11:01PM

Looking forward to this now, not long to go. I am still sitting on the side of, if Groves cant get him out in the first 6 rounds I think he will tire and ultimately hit the deck, not sure Groves has the control to outbox Froch for the full match without getting dragged into a fight, Froch will just keep coming forward, keep throwing punches and its clear how difficult it is to get the guy out of there

Groves is actually the better boxer, and he is obviously a lot faster, but I am not convinced by his stamina or intelligence in the ring as of right now

Henno30 · 25-05-2014 12:29AM

I thought Froch wiped the floor with him in the face-off. Back to the old Carl. Groves just staring at Froch with his mouth open and not saying anything made him look like a complete simpleton.

gene_tunney · 25-05-2014 11:02AM

Watched about 30 seconds of that face off before I turned it off. Boring rubbish, the usual fodder for hooligans. Will watch the fight but this talk of biggest fight in English history etc is sickening and embarrassing and the media promotion is stale

Johnnythefox4 · 25-05-2014 12:33PM

These face offs are usually a pile of ****e, and last night was no different. Groves is not witty, or eloquent, and came across as a tool. The handshake bit was cringe. Also having Johnny Nelson as mediator was never going to add to proceedings.

Fair play to Sky for getting Paulie Malignaggi as guest commentator though. He does a great job for Showtime and has won some awards. I just hope that idiot Jim Watt doesn't keep interrupting, and lets him talk

obezyana · 25-05-2014 03:47PM

I don't like Froch at all. Personally I think he comes across as a fool he is a good fighter tho and I think he will beat Groves I hope he doesn't but I think it will go the distance with Froch to win the majority of rounds.

Regarding the face off I think Groves came across well from the start then kinda tried to be to smart towards Froch which played into Frochs hands.

Ha maybe it was Johnny Nelson that looked lost.

walshb · 25-05-2014 04:03PM

obezyana wrote: »

I don't like Froch at all. Personally I think he comes across as a fool he is a good fighter tho and I think he will beat Groves I hope he doesn't but I think it will go the distance with Froch to win the majority of rounds.

Regarding the face off I think Groves came across well from the start then kinda tried to be to smart towards Froch which played into Frochs hands.

Ha maybe it was Johnny Nelson that looked lost.

I have heard a couple of people saying that they think Froch wins on points. Not saying he can't, but I would have to favour Groves over the distance.

Fedfrenchopen · 25-05-2014 04:08PM

Henno30 wrote: »

I thought Froch wiped the floor with him in the face-off. Back to the old Carl. Groves just staring at Froch with his mouth open and not saying anything made him look like a complete simpleton.

I think that was cancelled out by Froch trying to make fun of Groves for mispronouncing a word, five year old stuff, surreal.

obezyana · 25-05-2014 04:14PM

walshb wrote: »

I have heard a couple of people saying that they think Froch wins on points. Not saying he can't, but I would have to favour Groves over the distance.

I think Groves will come out all guns blazing and if it goes the distance he will feel it more than Froch will and Froch is known for coming on strong in the later rounds.

walshb · 25-05-2014 04:31PM

obezyana wrote: »

I think Groves will come out all guns blazing and if it goes the distance he will feel it more than Froch will and Froch is known for coming on strong in the later rounds.

I have no issue with Froch coming on strong in the final rds, but rd for rd he needs to win 7-5. I think this is going to be very tough for him. A late stoppage would be his best bet. If George is at all fresh and standing and working then he can still win late rds. He's faster and a better boxer. Froch needs to break George's rhythm, and he needs to make this a close quarters rough and tumble fight. To do this he may have to walk through serious leather.

unknown13 · 25-05-2014 09:49PM

walshb wrote: »

I have no issue with Froch coming on strong in the final rds, but rd for rd he needs to win 7-5. I think this is going to be very tough for him. A late stoppage would be his best bet. If George is at all fresh and standing and working then he can still win late rds. He's faster and a better boxer. Froch needs to break George's rhythm, and he needs to make this a close quarters rough and tumble fight. To do this he may have to walk through serious leather.

Froch could come out and try to get his jab going very early on. Its an obvious tactic, which Froch is good at but since he hurt Groves last time, he could use the tactics he used against Bute that were nasty (and ruined his career).

Andrew Flexing · 26-05-2014 08:40AM

unknown13 wrote: »

Froch could come out and try to get his jab going very early on. Its an obvious tactic, which Froch is good at but since he hurt Groves last time, he could use the tactics he used against Bute that were nasty (and ruined his career).

What tactics were they?

unknown13 · 26-05-2014 11:28AM

Andrew Flexing wrote: »

What tactics were they?

Stayed in close enough to prevent Bute from getting the jab going, then unloading attacking with combo's once he knew he could hurt Bute. He knows he can hurt Groves.

Deiseboy01 · 26-05-2014 11:30AM

Andrew Flexing wrote: »

What tactics were they?

Come out swinging and keep at it!!

walshb · 26-05-2014 11:47AM

unknown13 wrote: »

Stayed in close enough to prevent Bute from getting the jab going, then unloading attacking with combo's once he knew he could hurt Bute. He knows he can hurt Groves.

Different styles. Bute wasn't unloading leather. He was a bit of a let down. George was, and will be unloading fast and heavy shots. Not that easy to walk through.

yourdeadwright · 26-05-2014 02:21PM

I wonder if Groves did'nt land that huge punch in the first how different that fight may have been, its hard to tell because Carl fought the next 6 rounds basically in survival mode,
Carl started really poorly he looked either nervous or not bothered and that big shot ment he never got a chance to settle and get any thing going , i also think because he totally dismissed Groves before the fight, he totally panicked after he was dropped and didn't box tactically and just tried to ko Groves with every shot,
It was almost like a cup football match where the under dog goes 1 nil up and the favoured them panic because its just not suppose to happen, scrap a draw at the end but in the replay are way more prepared and focused and get the job done as they where first expected to ,

walshb · 26-05-2014 03:10PM

Too much is being made of Froch not taking George seriously. Look at Froch. He was still the same fighter. Plodding along, slow of hand and foot, trying hard and having some success. His chin and stamina and toughness was still as it always was. That is the recipe for Carl's success. Not his speed, punch delivery, or fast feet and skills. Had Froch been gassed out of it after 5-6 rds I could get behind this theory that he didn't take George seriously.

Don't expect much different this time around. He got nailed hard by a shot, a shot that was more exaggerated because Froch was a southpaw when he got nailed with it. His feet crossed and his structure not as solid as usual, resulting in him being dropped heavy.

Carl Froch vs George Groves

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