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  • #5522
    Base price
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,666 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    .Kovu. wrote: »
    I put my name down to keep up with info on it a good while back.
    Website here may be of more use to you than me trying to explain it!

    It's not closed yet, they're taking applicants, or so the website says.
    I think that it is a good initiative for those who can gear themselves towards it as in, prepared for the responsibility and commitment. I know one of the farmers involved in the pilot scheme.


  • #5523
    Kovu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,241 ✭✭✭✭Kovu


    Base price wrote: »
    I think that it is a good initiative for those who can gear themselves towards it as in, prepared for the responsibility and commitment. I know one of the farmers involved in the pilot scheme.

    I'd be interested in the meetings for 12 weeks but they're just so far away from me! How have they found it so far do you know? Have they had to make any changes around the yard etc?


  • #5524
    visatorro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,818 ✭✭✭visatorro


    after taking peanut better down outta the press and spread on toast, lovely. best before dec 2013! gf wants to throw it out. i reckon there is that many chemicals in it, it should never go off!!


  • #5525
    Reggie.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,619 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    visatorro wrote: »
    after taking peanut better down outta the press and spread on toast, lovely. best before dec 2013! gf wants to throw it out. i reckon there is that many chemicals in it, it should never go off!!

    Same argument the whole time in my house


  • #5526
    Base price
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,666 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    .Kovu. wrote: »
    I'd be interested in the meetings for 12 weeks but they're just so far away from me! How have they found it so far do you know? Have they had to make any changes around the yard etc?
    PM sent.


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  • #5527
    Kovu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,241 ✭✭✭✭Kovu


    Base price wrote: »
    PM sent.

    Hope you sent it to the right .Kovu. :eek:

    There's another poster with the same name but with no '.'s' surroundng the name. Think I may have to change again as it does cause confusion!


  • #5528
    Base price
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,666 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    Anyone else having a problem with tags recently. We normally have to replace a few every year (5 or 6) mostly in older cattle but seldom in calves. We had the outdoor calves in for dosing & copper yesterday and I now have to apply for 17 tags :eek:. Only one of the calves had a torn ear the rest have a hole but no tag.


  • #5529
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,729 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Base price wrote: »
    Anyone else having a problem with tags recently. We normally have to replace a few every year (5 or 6) mostly in older cattle but seldom in calves. We had the outdoor calves in for dosing & copper yesterday and I now have to apply for 17 tags :eek:. Only one of the calves had a torn ear the rest have a hole but no tag.
    is it the bvd tags they are losing, i think they replace them for free


  • #5530
    Genghis Cant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭Genghis Cant


    Base price wrote: »
    Anyone else having a problem with tags recently. We normally have to replace a few every year (5 or 6) mostly in older cattle but seldom in calves. We had the outdoor calves in for dosing & copper yesterday and I now have to apply for 17 tags :eek:. Only one of the calves had a torn ear the rest have a hole but no tag.

    Yeah, similar story here, I was remarking the other day that its nearly all right ear tag that's missing. Why ever that would be the case.


  • #5531
    GrandSoftDay
    Closed Accounts Posts: 743 ✭✭✭GrandSoftDay


    Genghis Cant wrote: »
    Yeah, similar story here, I was remarking the other day that its nearly all right ear tag that's missing. Why ever that would be the case.

    Heard a fella in the vets last week saying the same thing, said it was all the Bvd tags that were falling out. Haven't noticed any great difference here though.


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  • #5532
    Base price
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,666 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    I did not notice if there were more on the right or left ears. To be honest, since I am out of the breeding scene, I only twigged the white and black buttons sometime in February and the reason for same :eek:
    Put it down to been too busy and feck all time to read the journal etc.
    I remember when the yellow tags were first introduced (with the four letter prefix for each herd) a good gust of wind would blow them out.
    Seems like history is repeating itself ;)


  • #5533
    Kovu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,241 ✭✭✭✭Kovu


    Base price wrote: »
    I did not notice if there were more on the right or left ears. To be honest, since I am out of the breeding scene, I only twigged the white and black buttons sometime in February and the reason for same :eek:
    Put it down to been too busy and feck all time to read the journal etc.
    I remember when the yellow tags were first introduced (with the four letter prefix for each herd) a good gust of wind would blow them out.
    Seems like history is repeating itself ;)

    96/97 wasn't it?
    I only remember it was around then as I bought my very first suck calf that year in Carrigallen. Bought because her tag said 3D at the bottom. Wasn't too pushed with colour or quality at that age then!:o:D


  • #5534
    GrandSoftDay
    Closed Accounts Posts: 743 ✭✭✭GrandSoftDay


    .Kovu. wrote: »
    96/97 wasn't it?
    I only remember it was around then as I bought my very first suck calf that year in Carrigallen. Bought because her tag said 3D at the bottom. Wasn't too pushed with colour or quality at that age then!:o:D

    Still have a 49p and 71w here. Their days are numbered now though I'm afraid.


  • #5535
    Base price
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,666 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    .Kovu. wrote: »
    96/97 wasn't it?
    I only remember it was around then as I bought my very first suck calf that year in Carrigallen. Bought because her tag said 3D at the bottom. Wasn't too pushed with colour or quality at that age then!:o:D
    Yes, I think you are about on the mark. I have the old herd registers in a filing cabinet in the attic but don't have a ladder to gain access.

    @ GSD - Last Autumn I helped a elderly local farmer to update the medicine section of his herd book due to a Dept inspection. He had all the receipts but they were not written up in the book. He had suckler cows in their late teens and twenties with brass tags.
    His oldest cow was a shorthorn cross cow that was 24 years of age. She never failed to calf and gave him 3 sets of twins.


  • #5536
    A cow called Daisy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭A cow called Daisy


    GrandSoftDay wrote: »
    Still have a 49p and 71w here. Their days are numbered now though I'm afraid.

    Neighbours wife has a 40 DD........


  • #5537
    Reggie.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,619 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    A cow called Daisy wrote: »
    Neighbours wife has a 40 DD........

    Steady....


  • #5538
    GrandSoftDay
    Closed Accounts Posts: 743 ✭✭✭GrandSoftDay


    A cow called Daisy wrote: »
    Neighbours wife has a 40 DD........

    That's an awful weight to be carrying around!


  • #5539
    Reggie.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,619 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    GrandSoftDay wrote: »
    That's an awful weight to be carrying around!

    Imagine the back pain


  • #5540
    Damo810
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 998 ✭✭✭Damo810


    A cow called Daisy wrote: »
    Neighbours wife has a 40 DD........

    That must be some sight coming down the road!


  • #5541
    Base price
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,666 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    Steady on there lads - I think ye are losing the run of yourselves and getting over excited.
    No offence to you lads but most of us farming ladies have handled more then most of ye could ever dream of.
    Life and all .......


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  • #5542
    Oldtree
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,109 ✭✭✭Oldtree


    Base price wrote: »
    Steady on there lads - I think ye are losing the run of yourselves and getting over excited.
    No offence to you lads but most of us farming ladies have handled more then most of ye could ever dream of.
    Life and all .......
    :D:D:D


  • #5543
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,729 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    seriously the angleberry thread is closed. This place is unreal :mad:. My suggestion of what we did was done after vets telling us to do so:confused::confused: worked for us


  • #5544
    Rovi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,570 ✭✭✭Rovi


    whelan2 wrote: »
    seriously the angleberry thread is closed. This place is unreal :mad:. My suggestion of what we did was done after vets telling us to do so:confused::confused: worked for us

    The 'veterinary advice' thing causes us mods considerable grief from time to time.
    That thread was an excellent example.
    This stuff has now come to the attention of the site owners/administrators, and the whole thing (the asking for/giving of veterinary advice) is now under review.
    The general site rules explicitly state that the giving/requesting of medical or professional advice is prohibited:
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/faq.php?faq=bie_faq_guidelines#faq_bie_faq_guidelines_medicalpro
    We've been running under the radar here in F&F for a long time regarding this sort of thing, but it's now being looked at at a much higher pay grade than us forum mods.
    The question being posed is does veterinary advice fall under the medical/professional rule?
    We must remember that the vast majority of the membership of this site, and by extension, the site owners and administrators, are NOT farmers or closely involved with the industry.
    To their eyes, it's a no-brainer that veterinary stuff is of course medical/professional, and that it should be very carefully watched and stringintly moderated.

    We forum mods are arguing that farmers and stock keepers are 'professional' and 'competent' in their own right, and that the discussion of veterinary matters is perfectly acceptable within that context.

    Some of the stuff in that Angleberries thread didn't do 'our' side of the discussion much good :(


  • #5545
    moy83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,701 ✭✭✭moy83


    Rovi wrote: »
    The 'veterinary advice' thing causes us mods considerable grief from time to time.
    That thread was an excellent example.
    This stuff has now come to the attention of the site owners/administrators, and the whole thing (the asking for/giving of veterinary advice) is now under review.
    The general site rules explicitly state that the giving/requesting of medical or professional advice is prohibited:
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/faq.php?faq=bie_faq_guidelines#faq_bie_faq_guidelines_medicalpro
    We've been running under the radar here in F&F for a long time regarding this sort of thing, but it's now being looked at at a much higher pay grade than us forum mods.
    The question being posed is does veterinary advice fall under the medical/professional rule?
    We must remember that the vast majority of the membership of this site, and by extension, the site owners and administrators, are NOT farmers or closely involved with the industry.
    To their eyes, it's a no-brainer that veterinary stuff is of course medical/professional, and that it should be very carefully watched and stringintly moderated.

    We forum mods are arguing that farmers and stock keepers are 'professional' and 'competent' in their own right, and that the discussion of veterinary matters is perfectly acceptable within that context.

    Some of the stuff in that Angleberries thread didn't do 'our' side of the discussion much good :(
    Thats fair enough Rovi , probably doesn't do farmers reputation much good either if joe public reads some of those remedies


  • #5546
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,729 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Rovi wrote: »
    The 'veterinary advice' thing causes us mods considerable grief from time to time.
    That thread was an excellent example.
    This stuff has now come to the attention of the site owners/administrators, and the whole thing (the asking for/giving of veterinary advice) is now under review.
    The general site rules explicitly state that the giving/requesting of medical or professional advice is prohibited:
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/faq.php?faq=bie_faq_guidelines#faq_bie_faq_guidelines_medicalpro
    We've been running under the radar here in F&F for a long time regarding this sort of thing, but it's now being looked at at a much higher pay grade than us forum mods.
    The question being posed is does veterinary advice fall under the medical/professional rule?
    We must remember that the vast majority of the membership of this site, and by extension, the site owners and administrators, are NOT farmers or closely involved with the industry.
    To their eyes, it's a no-brainer that veterinary stuff is of course medical/professional, and that it should be very carefully watched and stringintly moderated.

    We forum mods are arguing that farmers and stock keepers are 'professional' and 'competent' in their own right, and that the discussion of veterinary matters is perfectly acceptable within that context.

    Some of the stuff in that Angleberries thread didn't do 'our' side of the discussion much good :(
    while i well understand that alot of people -myself included- come on here to ask other peoples opinions of various health issues of animals, its great to hear other peoples experiences/treatments and outcomes of various ailments& conditions. I know i for one have learnt a lot of things from asking such questions or reading other peoples thoughts on animal health. So is this not allowed any more?


  • #5547
    Rovi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,570 ✭✭✭Rovi


    whelan2 wrote: »
    while i well understand that alot of people -myself included- come on here to ask other peoples opinions of various health issues of animals, its great to hear other peoples experiences/treatments and outcomes of various ailments& conditions. I know i for one have learnt a lot of things from asking such questions or reading other peoples thoughts on animal health. So is this not allowed any more?

    It is allowed, but we must tread very carefully pending a decision from the site admins on the whole thing.

    We forum mods are suggesting a general guideline along the lines of: "Would you do it with a Department of Agriculture Veterinary Inspector watching you, or would you write it down in your Veterinary Remedies Record?"
    If it doesn't pass that test, it's probably not suitable for public publication here.


  • #5548
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,729 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Rovi wrote: »
    It is allowed, but we must tread very carefully pending a decision from the site admins on the whole thing.

    We forum mods are suggesting a general guideline along the lines of: "Would you do it with a Department of Agriculture Veterinary Inspector watching you, or would you write it down in your Veterinary Remedies Record?"
    If it doesn't pass that test, it's probably not suitable for public publication here.
    yes i totally understand that. In fairness most people do go by that thinking on here


  • #5549
    _Brian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,008 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    I'd say this is always going to be a contentious issue. Many of Joe Public wouldn't be best impressed if they seen animals being treated using legitimate methods, never mind some of the alternative methods mentioned from time to time.
    We could always restrict access to the forum, aren't some others access by request only.

    Then Joe Public wouldn't wander in accidentally while were dehorning calves or curing angle berries and get themselves all queezy.


  • #5550
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,729 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Reggie. wrote: »
    Imagine the back pain
    ah you get used to it:o


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  • #5551
    Rovi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,570 ✭✭✭Rovi


    whelan2 wrote: »
    In fairness most people do go by that thinking on here
    Absolutely!
    'Most' people are perfectly sensible and post away using common sense and discretion.

    However, some people appear to think that this place is exactly the same as having a private chat with their like-minded colleagues, where they can natter away about stuff that they'd never speak of in the presence of strangers or persons in positions of authority/officialdom.
    The reality, as most of us know and understand, is that this place is composed almost entirely of 'strangers', with a fair smattering of Official Ireland, the media, and who knows who else listening in.


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