Convicted child killer canvassing for sinn fein[Mod warning-First Post]

Fr. Ned · 23-05-2014 07:18PM

My name is URL wrote: »

Imo, it's not even about how someone should react to such allegations about their brother. It's about how authorities completely refused to act, despite knowing about it all.

It wasn't even just the RUC that completely failed in its role. Social services in the North were aware of the allegations while Liam Adams was employed in a role where he worked with youths on both sides of the border. They done nothing to step in or to let authorities in the South know about it.

Somewhere along the line, a conscious decision was made to ignore it. Probably in the hope that Gerry would become implicated at some point.

That is exactly what happened.

dj jarvis · 23-05-2014 07:19PM

My name is URL wrote: »

Imo, it's not even about how someone should react to such allegations about their brother. It's about how authorities completely refused to act, despite knowing about it all.

It wasn't even just the RUC that completely failed in its role. Social services in the North were aware of the allegations while Liam Adams was employed in a role where he worked with youths on both sides of the border. They done nothing to step in or to let authorities in the South know about it.

Somewhere along the line, a conscious decision was made to ignore it. Probably in the hope that Gerry would become implicated at some point.

he could have told the authority down south himself , its bad enough the services did not , but the fact that he did little or nothing to help his niece is deplorable.

Fr. Ned · 23-05-2014 07:19PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

bull sh1te - he could have contacted child services , the church ect ect , even down south he could have reported it and not have talked to the RUC or British government - many ways he could have helped this child but chose not to

as for we didn't know ???? would you ever **** off - it was 25 years ago , not the 1600's , dont be an apologist for someone who covered up for a child rapist.

What age are you?

dj jarvis · 23-05-2014 07:20PM

Fr. Ned wrote: »

So, if you were living in the 6 counties at a time when the RUC were involved in setting up the murders of your neighbours and friends (which they were) and you heard rumours about your brother abusing his daughter, would you immediately report those concerns to those same RUC men?

What happened when this girl and her mother went to the RUC?

read my posts , he could have gone to many many people other than the RUC
on both side of the border

Fr. Ned · 23-05-2014 07:21PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

he could have told the authority down south himself , its bad enough the services did not , but the fact that he did little or nothing to help his niece is deplorable.

What are you talking about?

The 26 county state have no powers in the north.

Cop yourself on.

dj jarvis · 23-05-2014 07:21PM

Fr. Ned wrote: »

What age are you?

what has my age got to do with anything , if you wanna be a smart arse , make your point , not some little childish limp fisted swing

tell me why he could not report it to anyone else other than the RUC ?

Fr. Ned · 23-05-2014 07:23PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

read my posts , he could have gone to many many people other than the RUC
on both side of the border

Social services were told, the RUC were told.

Why would a British citizen report a crime to the Irish police force or anyone else.

If you seen a crime committed here would you ring the metropolitan police in London or something?

dj jarvis · 23-05-2014 07:24PM

Fr. Ned wrote: »

What are you talking about?

The 26 county state have no powers in the north.

Cop yourself on.

listen you dope , he could have made an official complaint , the the south could have made it public and then the RUC and child services up north would have HAD to do something , it would have been public knowledge by then

it would have been as simple as issuing a media statement in the south on the subject, and then no one could have hidden it

but he didn't

a little bit of imagination and he could have stopped a chiled being raped , but he didn't bother

you cop yourself on

Fr. Ned · 23-05-2014 07:24PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

what has my age got to do with anything , if you wanna be a smart arse , make your point , not some little childish limp fisted swing

tell me why he could not report it to anyone else other than the RUC ?

Your age does matter, your posts show a very simplistic view of what happened and about how that part of the country was ran.

I suspect you weren't born when the north was exploding.

Fr. Ned · 23-05-2014 07:25PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

listen you dope , he could have made an official complaint , the the south could have made it public and then the RUC and child services up north would have HAD to do something , it would have been public knowledge by then

it would have been as simple as issuing a media statement in the south on the subject, and then no one could have hidden it

but he didn't

a little bit of imagination and he could have stopped a chiled being raped , but he didn't bother

you cop yourself on

You're becoming hysterical now.
Run along and keep your abusive posts for someone else, ok.

dj jarvis · 23-05-2014 07:27PM

Fr. Ned wrote: »

Social services were told, the RUC were told.

Why would a British citizen report a crime to the Irish police force or anyone else.

If you seen a crime committed here would you ring the metropolitan police in London or something?

are you high ? the point is he could have made it public , then the services up north would HAVE TO ACT , and you are aware you can report crimes in other states ????

do you honestly believe that if i walked into the met in london reporting child abuse in dublin , that the met would not contact the garda in dublin straight away ?

the fact that i have to point this out to you answers a lot

My name is URL · 23-05-2014 07:29PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

he could have told the authority down south himself , its bad enough the services did not , but the fact that he did little or nothing to help his niece is deplorable.

Absolutely. I'm not defending his decision not to act at all. In my view, it's the worst thing that has ever been levelled against GA.

He 100% should have done something, be it report it himself, or step in to disallow his brother from being given roles where he was working with kids.

Tbh, I'm not convinced that if Gerry had reported it, either here or in the North, that his word would have carried any more weight than the victim's did.. I mean why should it have?

dj jarvis · 23-05-2014 07:29PM

Fr. Ned wrote: »

You're becoming hysterical now.
Run along and keep your abusive posts for someone else, ok.

pffft , if you could not figure out what i was saying then sorry for ya :rolleyes:

hysterical ???? not a bit of it , just not an apologist for a child rapist , and his brother whom could have stopped it sooner , but didn't

there were hundrededs of way he could have stopped this , but did not

VOTE SF !!!! :rolleyes:

Fr. Ned · 23-05-2014 07:30PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

are you high ? the point is he could have made it public , then the services up north would HAVE TO ACT , and you are aware you can report crimes in other states ????

do you honestly believe that if i walked into the met in london reporting child abuse in dublin , that the met would not contact the garda in dublin straight away ?

the fact that i have to point this out to you answers a lot

As I said already, you haven't a clue as to how this country was policed at that time.

Maybe you should study the subject and learn a bit more before you come on here abusing people who are trying to explain the situation that time.

dj jarvis · 23-05-2014 07:31PM

My name is URL wrote: »

Absolutely. I'm not defending his decision not to act at all. In my view, it's the worst thing that has ever been levelled against GA.

He 100% should have done something, be it report it himself, or step in to disallow his brother from being given roles where he was working with kids.

Tbh, I'm not convinced that if Gerry had reported it, either here or in the North, that his word would have carried any more weight than the victim's did.. I mean why should it have?

it probably would not have , but it would have made it public , then they would have been FORCED to publicly investigate it sooner , saving the poor child from further sexual abuse .

he could have done loads more but for whatever reason he did not

dj jarvis · 23-05-2014 07:33PM

Fr. Ned wrote: »

As I said already, you haven't a clue as to how this country was policed at that time.

Maybe you should study the subject and learn a bit more before you come on here abusing people who are trying to explain the situation that time.

yea , ok boss :rolleyes:

Fr. Ned · 23-05-2014 07:36PM

My name is URL wrote: »

Absolutely. I'm not defending his decision not to act at all. In my view, it's the worst thing that has ever been levelled against GA.

He 100% should have done something, be it report it himself, or step in to disallow his brother from being given roles where he was working with kids.

Tbh, I'm not convinced that if Gerry had reported it, either here or in the North, that his word would have carried any more weight than the victim's did.. I mean why should it have?

I think you understand the way things were back then.

Thankfully those days are gone for the most part, but I'm sure people still are reluctant to go to the police when it comes to these things.

When you try to explain things to a young fella, like I did in the last few posts, all you get is abuse.

In his last few posts I've been called a dope and a smarta*se, been asked if I'm 'high' and been accused of being 'an apologist for a child rapist and his brother'.

There's no talking to some people.

dj jarvis · 23-05-2014 07:42PM

Fr. Ned wrote: »

I think you understand the way things were back then.

Thankfully those days are gone for the most part, but I'm sure people still are reluctant to go to the police when it comes to these things.

When you try to explain things to a young fella, like I did in the last few posts, all you get is abuse.

In his last few posts I've been called a dope and a smarta*se, been asked if I'm 'high' and been accused of being 'an apologist for a child rapist and his brother'.

There's no talking to some people.

ah , you see , you are forgetting that you started the abuse , cop on this and have not clue that ,
well listen here boy , i know full well how it worked up north , i have full experience and knowledge of it , seeing i am nearly 50

so dont come across as the injured party , you passive aggressive post are there for all to see , dont be getting all in a hissy fit becasue you missed a fairly obvious point

LOL - cant report a crime in another country ??? come on lad - think
one call to any news paper in the 70's or 80's , anywhere in the world , and it would have been reported

i think you are the one that really has no idea

Fr. Ned · 23-05-2014 07:43PM

Anyway, miles off topic now.

SF shouldn't have had a convicted murderer on the canvass.

Much better in this country that we cover up the past like all the other political party's, hide it away.:rolleyes:

on the river · 23-05-2014 07:45PM

My opinion is the said canvasser should not be out canvassing let alone out of jail.

It disrespectful to all those that died and their families.

Secondly sinn fein should not be supporting this if it wants the irish electorate to take them seriously.

People forgive but they never forget. Sinn fein is shooting themselves in the foot more and more .

Fr. Ned · 23-05-2014 07:45PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

ah , you see , you are forgetting that you started the abuse , cop on this and have not clue that ,
well listen here boy , i know full well how it worked up north , i have full experience and knowledge of it , seeing i am nearly 50

so dont come across as the injured party , you passive aggressive post are there for all to see , dont be getting all in a hissy fit becasue you missed a fairly obvious point

LOL - cant report a crime in another country ??? come on lad - think
one call to any news paper in the 70's or 80's , anywhere in the world , and it would have been reported

i think you are the one that really has no idea

If you're nearly 50 and 'know full well about how it worked up north' and you stand over what you posted then I feel sorry for you.

Good day!

Fr. Ned · 23-05-2014 07:46PM

on the river wrote: »

My opinion is the said canvasser should not be out canvassing let alone out of jail.

It disrespectful to all those that died and their families.

Secondly sinn fein should not be supporting this if it wants the irish electorate to take them seriously.

People forgive but they never forget. Sinn fein is shooting themselves in the foot more and more .

The electorate will pass judgement on SF today.

mickydoomsux · 23-05-2014 07:50PM

Fr. Ned wrote: »

The electorate will pass judgement on SF today.

It's a shame uninformed "protest votes" count

on the river · 23-05-2014 07:51PM

Fr. Ned wrote: »

The electorate will pass judgement on SF today.

They already did.for the last 20 years sinn fein is on the fringes of irish politics and will remain so.

kingchess · 23-05-2014 07:52PM

yeah-democracy,what can you do?

dj jarvis · 23-05-2014 08:03PM

Fr. Ned wrote: »

If you're nearly 50 and 'know full well about how it worked up north' and you stand over what you posted then I feel sorry for you.

Good day!

really , give it up , you really believe that if adams , when giving one of his famous "wont apologize for the IRA " press conferences , had said at the end " and i would also like to add , i know of a sex crime against a child in NI , and the RUC and the social services wont do anything about it " that nothing would have been done !!!!

it would have been WORLD news , there would be no way in hell they could NOT have done something about it ,

but our Gerry chose not to - good man Gerry

same with this child murderer who is canvassing for SF - he should not be walking the streets , let alone supporting an election

these are the people some of you are voting for - shame on ya's

Happyman42 · 23-05-2014 08:05PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

it should not have been given a seconds thought to shop on his brother , it was rape of a child , and that is why he should never be allowed near the levers of power , his morels are screwed up , along with the things he done for the "cause"

the guy is tainted , along with any other SF member who had ANYTHING to do with the North

SF will not be viable as an gov party until EVERYONE who has a shady past has left the party or is dead

Well, the fact is that on our independence we wouldn't have been able to form a government using your 'shady past' criteria.
We did though and the world refused to come to a juddering halt.
That must be terribly disappointing for the moral high grounders, if only God would do his bit...thunderbolts of retribution even!

dj jarvis · 23-05-2014 08:08PM

Happyman42 wrote: »

Well, the fact is that on our independence we wouldn't have been able to form a government using your 'shady past' criteria.
We did though and the world refused to come to a juddering halt.
That must be terribly disappointing for the moral high grounders, if only God would do his bit...thunderbolts of retribution even!

you are correct but for one small point , out leaders back during the 1916 -1922 period did not hide their actions or allegiances , it was first OPEN war then civil war

i dont remember Pearse or Connolly hide the fact that they were members of either IRB or the IRA

i do know of one TD from louth who keeps telling fairy stoires about his VERY SHADY past , big difference

LordSutch · 23-05-2014 08:11PM

I think Sinn Fein should get into bed with their kindrid spirits in the BNP, UKIP & Erigi to produce the ultimate bigoted Anglo-Gaelic psycopathic bastard party, which would then spontaneously combust and disappear up its own self important backside.

Whatever about McMahon being released from jail, (a very bitter pill to swallow) he should not be out and about swanning around on the Sinn Fein campaign trail, while his victims families look on in disgust, as they mourn their loved ones for the rest of their lives.

R P McMurphy · 23-05-2014 08:17PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

you are correct but for one small point , out leaders back during the 1916 -1922 period did not hide their actions or allegiances , it was first OPEN war then civil war

i dont remember Pearse or Connolly hide the fact that they were members of either IRB or the IRA

i do know of one TD from louth who keeps telling fairy stoires about his VERY SHADY past , big difference

Open war? It was the development of guerilla warfare

Convicted child killer canvassing for sinn fein[Mod warning-First Post]

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