IRA t-shirts

ChicagoJoe · 23-05-2014 12:59PM

pablomakaveli wrote: »

Lets be honest though Sinn Fein supporters aren't exactly innocent of muck-raking other parties or candidate either.

The infamous tweet before the last presidential election being a good example.

Yep and FG/FF/Labour never try to use Jean McConville or Jerry McCabe when their caught out in a debate with the SFers in the Dail :rolleyes:

Lenin Skynard · 23-05-2014 01:00PM

iForgetMyPW wrote: »

Who cares if it's branded as sinn fein? For example I could make a catholic t-shirt store right now with "We are pedos" shirts lol

Or one that reflects your views on gay people.

alfa beta · 23-05-2014 01:01PM

iForgetMyPW wrote: »

Who cares if it's branded as sinn fein?

but that's the thing - wouldn't you think SF would care?

if I was involved in their pr side of things I'd be very uncomfortable with those messages.

I find it surprising that opposition parties aren't jumping all over this sorta stuff.

Kermit.de.frog · 23-05-2014 01:01PM

It's long since time that the British army and MOD stop pussy footing and openly acknowledged their victory over the IRA when the IRA signed the surrender document - i.e Good Friday Agreement.

The only reason the IRA signed up was because it was defeated. They had no choice and have since just tried to dress it up as best they can.

The shinners are in denial of this fact.

alchemist33 · 23-05-2014 01:02PM

I'm more concerned at the bastardized Irish on their "Erin Go Bragh" pin

Mr. CooL ICE · 23-05-2014 01:03PM

Personally, I love this t-shirt

Gazzmonkey · 23-05-2014 01:04PM

FTA69 wrote: »

Undefeated Army my arse. My biggest problem with these t-shirts is that they constitute false advertising.

Not entirely true, thanks to the RA we don't see British occupation forces driving around Dublin like they own the show.

No more black & tans either, and this is just the tip of the iceberg.

Karl Stein · 23-05-2014 01:04PM

'Unrepentant Fenian Bastard' sounds a lot better than 'Mealy mouthed appeaser'.

Collie D · 23-05-2014 01:06PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Ah they love a bit of scumbaggery draped in nationalism though OP.

These, celtic shirts and tracksuits are what 98% of sinn fein supporters wear.

Hmm...I voted SF 1/2/3 in the locals and No. 1 in the Euros this morning and own none of these items of clothing.

Maybe I'm a member of the 2%..or maybe you're generalising.

Banjo String · 23-05-2014 01:07PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

It's long since time that the British army and MOD stop pussy footing and openly acknowledged their victory over the IRA when the IRA signed the surrender document - i.e Good Friday Agreement.

The only reason the IRA signed up was because it was defeated. They had no choice and have since just tried to dress it up as best they can.

The shinners are in denial of this fact.

Worst. Troll. Ever.

I predict a short shelf life for this account.

Karl Stein · 23-05-2014 01:08PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

It's long since time that the British army and MOD stop pussy footing and openly acknowledged their victory over the IRA when the IRA signed the surrender document - i.e Good Friday Agreement.

Is that you Willie Frazer?

dark crystal · 23-05-2014 01:10PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Ah they love a bit of scumbaggery draped in nationalism though OP.

These, celtic shirts and tracksuits are what 98% of sinn fein supporters wear.

Oooh, that's biting. Biting I say!

Just as well I voted before reading this post, or the shame of being branded a tracksuit wearing scumbag by an angry stranger on the internet may have swayed my vote entirely!

alfa beta · 23-05-2014 01:12PM

Karl Stein wrote: »

'Unrepentant Fenian Bastard' sounds a lot better than 'Mealy mouthed appeaser'.

i dunno - second one's got a certain charm...

harry Bailey esq · 23-05-2014 01:12PM

alfa beta wrote: »

I'm surprised. I'm genuinely surprised. But hey, maybe I'm just naive.

You go to Sinn Fein's website, you click on their online book store and you find these sorta t-shirts for sale.

http://www.sinnfeinbookshop.com/ira-undefeated-army/

http://www.sinnfeinbookshop.com/unrepentant-fenian-bastard/

Hey look - I mean people can wear whatever the hell they like as far as I'm concerned. I just thought that a party that was gaining ground all over the country and establishing itself as a genuinely large and legitimate political force on both sides of the border wouldn't be selling merchandise with wording such as 'Unrepentant Fenian Bastard' and 'IRA Undefeated Army' and the like.

I thought with all the talk of inclusiveness and fairness and reconciliation etc. they'd moved on a bit from that. ('Unrepentant Fenian Bastard' as a branding message doesn't really work alongside inclusiveness in my view.)

And don't get me wrong. I'm not anti-Sinn Fein by any stretch. They make good arguments as a party and they appear to offer an interesting left-wing alternative to what's currently in place. But if this is the sorta thing they sell to fund the party, and if this is the sort of message they're happy to convey on their merchandise, then I think it's all a bit...grubby or lowlife something along those lines.

I'm also sure there must be plenty 'new' Sinn Fein supporters out there who must feel a bit uncomfortable with this stuff.

Are other people as surprised as I am that they're selling this through their website? Or is it just me?

i own several such tshirts,mostly emblazoned with one of the hunger strikers.just kinda collect them. i wouldn't be wearing them out and about. I know for a fact most of that stuff gets bought online from and shipped to the USA,the history is too recent and the wounds are still too raw for people to be wearing them in Ireland.

wp_rathead · 23-05-2014 01:14PM

Gazzmonkey wrote: »

Not entirely true, thanks to the RA we don't see British occupation forces driving around Dublin like they own the show.

No more black & tans either, and this is just the tip of the iceberg.

Was it not the IRB that fought the black and tans? IRA was formed post treaty?
Open to correction

Spring Onion · 23-05-2014 01:15PM

Does Gerry Adams own one of these IRA T-Shirts?

josip · 23-05-2014 01:15PM

Juliana Easy Pawn wrote: »

Yea, like our country wasn't born out of terror & insurrection anyway.. Don't pretend you know our history then come up with that crap :rolleyes:

I was visiting cousins in Moneymore in 1988.
One night they brought me out to a teenage disco, 14-17 year olds mainly.
Halfway through, the music stops and 3 guys with balaclavas and armalites or something similar, got up on stage.
It was quiet. They started to talk.
"There's been a few hard men around here doing things they shouldn't have. Robbin cars and joyridin. Attracting attention from the Brits.
We're hear tonight to see just how hard these lads are."
They called out a couple of names and after a few seconds when nobody went up, the other 2 lads on the stage came down and dragged up 2 lads from the crowd.
They made them kneel down on the stage and they put the barrel of the gun in his mouth and told him to say his prayers.
He wet himself and they said "You're not so hard now"
He was 15.
I'm not interested in history.
I know what I've seen.

Davarus Walrus · 23-05-2014 01:20PM

I suppose someone can only make a moral judgement on whether to vote for SF. But wearing the clothes and jewellery for sale in that online store would just make you look like a cheap knacker.

Banjo String · 23-05-2014 01:39PM

josip wrote: »

I was visiting cousins in Moneymore in 1988.
One night they brought me out to a teenage disco, 14-17 year olds mainly.
Halfway through, the music stops and 3 guys with balaclavas and armalites or something similar, got up on stage.
It was quiet. They started to talk.
"There's been a few hard men around here doing things they shouldn't have. Robbin cars and joyridin. Attracting attention from the Brits.
We're hear tonight to see just how hard these lads are."
They called out a couple of names and after a few seconds when nobody went up, the other 2 lads on the stage came down and dragged up 2 lads from the crowd.
They made them kneel down on the stage and they put the barrel of the gun in his mouth and told him to say his prayers.
He wet himself and they said "You're not so hard now"
He was 15.
I'm not interested in history.
I know what I've seen.

slaughtneil disco you were at. The lads in question were closer to 19 at the time.

One is currently serving time for death by dangerous driving btw.

Karl Stein · 23-05-2014 01:45PM

alfa beta wrote: »

i dunno - second one's got a certain charm...

'Mealy Mouthed Appeaser' has a certain charm?

I guess it must do seeing as it describes a small but considerable number of mealy mouthed morons who'd probably subscribe to this kind of drivel:

We've come to regret the destruction of the big houses and are gradually recognising that the despised landlord class left us a magnificent legacy.

Ruth Dudley Edwards

Na, Ruth, we should have burned the bastards out long before we did.

Irish Guitarist · 23-05-2014 01:48PM

When I think of the IRA it stirs up memories of hearing about bombs going off in town centres almost every week in the eighties. I also remember hearing the news when I was eleven years old that a dentists fingers had been left in Carlow cathedral by the 'Border Fox'. The cathedral was very close to where I lived and I found it a terrifying prospect.

I can't imagine any normal non-scumbag person who grew up in Ireland in the eighties or earlier wearing these t-shirts. I can imagine 'Irish Americans' who have never set foot in Ireland loving them though.

Son Of A Vidic · 23-05-2014 01:50PM

EuskalHerria wrote: »

Two "Sinn Fein" threads in the busiest part of boards on the day of the elections across the country. I don't think I go into conspiracy theory territory to say it appears as a concerted effort.

I'm not saying the issues in this or the other thread are not valid topics of conversation. However the timing is extraordinary.

Desperate strokes from desperate folks I suppose.

Santa Cruz · 23-05-2014 01:50PM

wprathead wrote: »

Was it not the IRB that fought the black and tans? IRA was formed post treaty?
Open to correction

Come back when you know what you are posting.

pablomakaveli · 23-05-2014 01:52PM

Karl Stein wrote: »

'Mealy Mouthed Appeaser' has a certain charm?

I guess it must do seeing as it describes a small but considerable number of mealy mouthed morons who'd probably subscribe to this kind of drivel:

Na, Ruth, we should have burned the bastards out long before we did.

I'd think being mealy-mouthed would apply more to Sinn Fein and republicans given their love for deception and double-speak.

Santa Cruz · 23-05-2014 01:52PM

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

When I think of the IRA it stirs up memories of hearing about bombs going off in town centres almost every week in the eighties. I also remember hearing the news when I was eleven years old that a dentists fingers had been left in Carlow cathedral by the 'Border Fox'. The cathedral was very close to where I lived and I found it a terrifying prospect.

I can't imagine any normal non-scumbag person who grew up in Ireland in the eighties or earlier wearing these t-shirts. I can imagine 'Irish Americans' who have never set foot in Ireland loving them though.

It's easier be a soldier three thousand miles from the war (or ninety in the case of the Dubs)

Fratton Fred · 23-05-2014 01:53PM

Karl Stein wrote: »

Na, Ruth, we should have burned the bastards out long before we did.

So when you see someone with a nice car and a big house, your thoughts aren't

"I hope one day I can live in a house like that", it's "one day I'm going to get that bastard".

Fortunately the majority of the human race don't think like that, if they did, we'd still be swinging between trees and living off bananas.

Lenin Skynard · 23-05-2014 02:00PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

So when you see someone with a nice car and a big house, your thoughts aren't

"I hope one day I can live in a house like that", it's "one day I'm going to get that bastard".

Fortunately the majority of the human race don't think like that, if they did, we'd still be swinging between trees and living off bananas.

What a way to twist logic. The reference to the big house was referring to the foreign landlords/landed gentry. The expression you posted is a quote from Bono I think? Which referred to Irish people begrudging other Irish people who are successful in life. Not the same "big house" at all.

harry Bailey esq · 23-05-2014 02:07PM

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Desperate strokes from desperate folks I suppose.

i think you'll find SF are polling quite well,if anybody's struggling and desperate id say its labour.off topic,but across the pond UKIP are taking seats from the tories and labour in spades. makes for very worrying reading.

Karl Stein · 23-05-2014 02:11PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Gigantic Strawman

Well done Fred, you've just won 40 straw-bales for producing strawman of the year.

Tramps Like Us · 23-05-2014 02:17PM

The "unrepentant Fenian bastard" shirt is a defiant joke aimed at unionists and loyalists who abuse nationalists by calling them "Fenian bastards" a sectarian insult. I don't see any issue with it.

As for the IRA t-shirt, if you are just now realizing that Sinn Féin does not hate the IRA or think they were evil baby eaters like some here - then you must live under a rock.

Personally I would not wear that particular T-shirt but I have a number of hunger striker ones which I wear on appropriate occasions. I have no issue with them selling the IRA shirt however I expect most people buying it would live in America. Good for them. Although maybe the shirt would be good to wind up the usual suspects

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