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Convicted child killer canvassing for sinn fein[Mod warning-First Post]

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  • #722
    Chips Lovell
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,279 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    The way things are going, you'll be bleating about atrocities as they are forming part of a government in the south.

    No, at that stage I'd be packing my bags.


  • #723
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    Do the moral outrage brigade grow tired at any point? Despite using terms like 'murder' and 'scumbags' etc at every opportunity for twenty years Sinn Feinn have kept gradually doing their work on the ground and building their support base. At what point will you concede that they are a legitamite political entity and the actual best way to stall their progress would be to fully engage with them as such?

    The way things are going, you'll be bleating about atrocities as they are forming part of a government in the south.

    How else should we describe a convicted child killer?


  • #724
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »
    No, at that stage I'd be packing my bags.

    Where would you go, you can't morally go to Britain as they legitimised what the IRA did by negotiating a settlement with them, the US backed that too.

    A wee island on your ownsome maybe?:rolleyes:


  • #725
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    Lynn Boylan is currently 1/50 on to win her seat.
    Matt Carthy 1/20

    I think it's fair to say the smear campaign has had little to no effect. They're basically home and dry.

    My votes have been cast already.


  • #726
    LuckyLloyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,963 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »
    No, at that stage I'd be packing my bags.

    Fair enough, but it's not as outlandish a possibility as you think. They've been steadily inching that direction since 1994. FG / Labour / FF all stand for being in power first and foremost, so don't count on them always discounting the option if the numbers work.
    bumper234 wrote: »
    How else should we describe a convicted child killer?

    You can describe those involved in a quarter decade conflict anyway you like. You can choose to focus on the pasts of those involved above all else if you wish. You can continue to drag up the past and not accept their involvement in democratic politics as a good thing. Carry on as you see fit. But time and the majority of people who want peace and want to leave two decades ago in the past are outflanking you a little more each year.


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  • #727
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »
    No, at that stage I'd be packing my bags.

    I reckon you've about 8 years to get your bags packed.

    Bye now.


  • #728
    Barely There
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,481 ✭✭✭Barely There


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    Carry on as you see fit. But time and the majority of people who want peace and want to leave two decades ago in the past are outflanking you a little more each year.


    So Sinn Fein aren't calling for a truth commission?

    I guess it's only certain elements of the past - like the child murdering actions of its members - that it wants to leave behind.


  • #729
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Banjo String wrote: »
    I reckon you've about 8 years to get your bags packed.

    Bye now.

    The 'big' boys are even beginning to face the impending reality, even if there is a bit of bile mixed in with it. But then they would say that.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/fine-gael-or-sinn-f%C3%A9in-could-lead-next-government-says-varadkar-1.1805270


  • #730
    strettyend
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37 ✭strettyend


    bumper234 wrote: »
    Here is a few facts

    The IRA planted a bomb on a boat.

    The IRA detonated that bomb blowing two young children to bits.

    The man that planted that bomb is now canvassing for for a sinn fein candidate in the European elections.


    Hopefully the highlighting of this convicted child killers association with sinn fein will stop people from voting for them.

    i noticed two facts you left out were the person accused of the mountbatten murder did his time in prison and also has turned his back on violence and the ira. just an oversight im sure,,


  • #731
    Barely There
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,481 ✭✭✭Barely There


    Banjo String wrote: »
    I reckon you've about 8 years to get your bags packed.

    Bye now.


    Hardly.

    If the Shinners can't do it during the worst recession of the last 50 years, they never will.

    Keep dreaming though.

    8 years my arse -not as long as the electorate are continually reminded of their scumbag actions.

    Well done Indo!


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  • #732
    mickydoomsux
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,287 ✭✭✭mickydoomsux


    strettyend wrote: »
    i noticed two facts you left out were the person accused of the mountbatten murder did his time in prison and also has turned his back on violence and the ira. just an oversight im sure,,

    What a lovely fairytale story.

    Does it end with the children he murdered coming back to life?


  • #733
    strettyend
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37 ✭strettyend


    Barely There wrote: »
    Hardly.

    If the Shinners can't do it during the worst recession of the last 50 years, they never will.

    Keep dreaming though.

    8 years my arse -not as long as the electorate are continually reminded of their scumbag actions.

    Well done Indo!
    indo can post all the anti sein fein ****e it likes but the facts are sinn fein are the fastest growing party in the south and are here to stay. get used to it.


  • #734
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    strettyend wrote: »
    indo can post all the anti sein fein ****e it likes but the facts are sinn fein are the fastest growing party in the south and are here to stay. get used to it.

    UKIP are the same in the UK, but the reality is that people will vote for them (and sinn fein here in the Republic) as a protest against the government but shudder at the thoughts of them having any actual power and wouldn't dream of voting for them in a general election.


  • #735
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    Barely There wrote: »
    Hardly.

    If the Shinners can't do it during the worst recession of the last 50 years, they never will.

    Keep dreaming though.

    8 years my arse -not as long as the electorate are continually reminded of their scumbag actions.

    Well done Indo!

    Did you miss my earlier post?

    Boylan and Carthy are certain of their seats at this stage, indeed Boylan might very well top the poll for Dublin.

    The indo smear campaign has only exposed them as being an FF paper trying to win back FF votes. I wonder what they will come up with come Monday when the results are in?

    Hissyfit all you like, Matt Carthy is set to be elected. ;)


  • #736
    mickydoomsux
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,287 ✭✭✭mickydoomsux


    strettyend wrote: »
    indo can post all the anti sein fein ****e it likes but the facts are sinn fein are the fastest growing party in the south and are here to stay. get used to it.

    The lunatic fringe always thrives during times of economic hardship.


  • #737
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    mickydoomsux wrote: »
    The lunatic fringe always thrives during times of economic hardship.

    Indeed. Look at the protest vote FG secured in 2011.


  • #738
    Barely There
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,481 ✭✭✭Barely There


    strettyend wrote: »
    indo can post all the anti sein fein ****e it likes but the facts are sinn fein are the fastest growing party in the south and are here to stay. get used to it.


    Never be more than an 8-10% party.

    I can live with that.

    Maybe you should get used to it.


  • #739
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    bumper234 wrote: »
    UKIP are the same in the UK, but the reality is that people will vote for them (and sinn fein here in the Republic) as a protest against the government but shudder at the thoughts of them having any actual power and wouldn't dream of voting for them in a general election.

    Probably pointless asking somebody who can't back up their statements but have you any evidence of this 'shudder'?
    SF have hit and surpassed their own targets in almost every election they have contested and the graph is in the ascendancy.


  • #740
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,069 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    bumper234 wrote: »
    UKIP are the same in the UK, but the reality is that people will vote for them (and sinn fein here in the Republic) as a protest against the government but shudder at the thoughts of them having any actual power and wouldn't dream of voting for them in a general election.
    As proven by you hope so? Convincing.


  • #741
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,069 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Barely There wrote: »
    Never be more than an 8-10% party.

    I can live with that.

    Maybe you should get used to it.
    The last Irish Times poll had them at 23%.
    Are you still alive?


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  • #742
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Probably pointless asking somebody who can't back up their statements but have you any evidence of this 'shudder'?
    SF have hit and surpassed their own targets in almost every election they have contested and the graph is in the ascendancy.

    2016 Will be the proof


  • #743
    Reformed Character
    Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Reformed Character


    Banjo String wrote: »
    Indeed. Look at the protest vote FG secured in 2011.

    Had to lol at that, a fine reposte Banjo, a fine reposte.


  • #744
    Barely There
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,481 ✭✭✭Barely There


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    The last Irish Times poll had them at 23%.
    Are you still alive?

    23% - Keep dreaming:pac:

    All countries have a lunatic fringe popular with the radical student types, uneducated dimwits, barstool republicans and other dregs of our society.

    The most important thing is that you're far far outnumbered by right-thinking members of society who will never allow your heroes near any lever of power in the state.

    It's great.


  • #745
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    bumper234 wrote: »
    2016 Will be the proof

    Of what?


  • #746
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    Barely There wrote: »
    Never be more than an 8-10% party.

    I can live with that.

    Maybe you should get used to it.

    Latest poll of polls contradicts you. A lot.

    Ironically enough, from the independent.
    The Irish Independent-Millward Brown poll (19th May 2014) estimated party support levels as follows (and relative to the previous such poll): Fine Gael 21% (down 4%), Fianna Fail 20% (down 3%), Sinn Fein 23% (up 2%), Labour Party 6% (NC), Green Party 2% (NC), Independents and Others 27% (up 2%). My constituency-level analysis of these poll figures estimates that party seat levels, should such national support trends be replicated in an actual general election, would be as follows: Fianna Fail 36, Fine Gael 41, Sinn Fein 37, Labour 0, Green Party 1, Independents and Others 43. The Irish Sun-Red C poll (19th May 2014) 

    http://politicalreform.ie/category/opinion-polls/


  • #747
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,069 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Barely There wrote: »
    23% - Keep dreaming:pac:

    All countries have a lunatic fringe popular with the radical student types, uneducated dimwits, barstool republicans and other dregs of our society.
    That's a terrible slander on Fianna Fail and their supporters. :)


  • #748
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Banjo String wrote: »
    Lynn Boylan is currently 1/50 on to win her seat.
    Matt Carthy 1/20

    I think it's fair to say the smear campaign has had little to no effect. They're basically home and dry.

    My votes have been cast already.
    Banjo String wrote: »
    I reckon you've about 8 years to get your bags packed.

    Bye now.
    strettyend wrote: »
    indo can post all the anti sein fein ****e it likes but the facts are sinn fein are the fastest growing party in the south and are here to stay. get used to it.
    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Of what?

    Sinners are going to be in for a bit of a shock in 2016 when they see their popularity plummet as people won't vote for them to get any real power.


  • #749
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,069 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    bumper234 wrote: »
    Sinners are going to be in for a bit of a shock in 2016 when they see their popularity plummet as people won't vote for them to get any real power.
    Inventing the past and now inventing the future.
    Desperate stuff bumper.


  • #750
    Reformed Character
    Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Reformed Character


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    The last Irish Times poll had them at 23%.
    Are you still alive?

    There is no doubt at this stage that they will win 3 seats in the Euros.
    The only concern they should have is that people vote very differently at General Elections than they do in Local/Euros and SF have always done much better in the polls leading up to a General Election than they have at the election itself.
    I wouldn't vote for them personally as I have serious concerns regarding their economic policies in particular and with some of their antics of late.
    With regard to McMahon, I think SF are highly insensitive to have used him in the election.
    That said , the electorate will speak and we will all have to live with the consequences of the result.
    One thing I will grant them, they are the only party in Dail Eireann to have a TD who is also a member (and proud) of the Traveller tradition.


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  • #751
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Barely There wrote: »
    23% - Keep dreaming:pac:

    All countries have a lunatic fringe popular with the radical student types, uneducated dimwits, barstool republicans and other dregs of our society.

    The most important thing is that you're far far outnumbered by right-thinking members of society who will never allow your heroes near any lever of power in the state.

    It's great.

    Imagine what the golden circle would have gotten away with regarding the Garda crisis and the financial crisis if the 'lunatic fringe' on the PAC's hadn't properly interrogated them on their failings and refused to turn the traditional blind eye that previous 'right thinking' FF and FG government ministers have done since the foundation of the state.
    Give me a M.L. McDonald or Padraig McLoughlin any day of the week over the corrupt gombeen men and women of the establishment parties.

    But then our self appointed secret millionaire Alan Shatter is now once again the darling of 'right thinking' people. All is well in some cosy worlds.


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