Convicted child killer canvassing for sinn fein[Mod warning-First Post]

Resonator75 · 22-05-2014 11:40PM

RecordStraight wrote: »

What is your point?

My point is I suspect you are just looking for anything to chuck at SF and using these kids is a nearly as low as the act that ended their lives.

RecordStraight · 22-05-2014 11:40PM

DubVelo wrote: »

Vote for an indie then, sure ya may as well for the craic! (Being as the right to vote was hard won and all.)

We'll see how I feel tomorrow. They are a depressing lot of vegetables though.

RecordStraight · 22-05-2014 11:45PM

Resonator75 wrote: »

My point is I suspect you are just looking for anything to chuck at SF and using these kids is a nearly as low as the act that ended their lives.

So...criticising a political party for using a guy convicted of child murder to canvass votes is nearly as bad as murdering children? Really?

So murdering a child is like, a 10 on the 0-10 scale of evil.
Criticising SF is about a 9?

(by the way, I'm not actually criticising them - I just think it was a silly move as it reminds some people of some unpleasant aspects of SF)

yosserhughes · 22-05-2014 11:46PM

RecordStraight wrote: »

Good man. Go and do that. Sinn Fein have the solution to all our problems. I know, because they said so, and I believe what politicians tell me.

Why do you think everybody is going to vote SF,I never said I was,but I will vote no matter what...If everybody in the country had an attitude like yours we would have no democracy..Would you suggest we have dictator running the country?

RecordStraight · 22-05-2014 11:48PM

yosserhughes wrote: »

Why do you think everybody is going to vote SF,I never said I was,but I will vote no matter what...If everybody in the country had an attitude like yours we would have no democracy..Would you suggest we have dictator running the country?

What?

I'm just surprised at how some people believe that there is one breed of special politician out there, or one special party - different from all the rest. It's touchingly naive. Never forget that Sinn Fein is composed of politicians too. They will make the same stupid mistakes and make bad decisions, same as all the other parties, once they get the chance to govern.

Resonator75 · 22-05-2014 11:50PM

RecordStraight wrote: »

So...criticising a political party for using a guy convicted of child murder to canvass votes is nearly as bad as murdering children? Really?

So murdering a child is like, a 10 on the 0-10 scale of evil.
Criticising SF is about a 9?

(by the way, I'm not actually criticising them - I just think it was a silly move as it reminds some people of some unpleasant aspects of SF)

Those kids getting blown up, thats an 11.

Using their death to score points like has been going on , that's an 8

Using a guy involved in that bombing, thats a 10 on the stupid scale. Im a SF supporter.

I think we actually agree then.

RecordStraight · 22-05-2014 11:51PM

Resonator75 wrote: »

Those kids getting blown up, thats an 11.

Using their death to score points like has been going on , that's an 8

Ok. It's good to get some numbers so we know where we stand.

bajer101 · 22-05-2014 11:52PM

Haven't read the whole thread, but at what point do you leave the past behind? When the Dail first sat the TDs came in with guns. The leaders of the Labour party have a violent history. I'm no lover of the Shinners, but using their violent past against them is a cop out. Every party in Ireland has a violent past. If you are going to attack them, target their policies.

strettyend · 22-05-2014 11:53PM

I have no alliance to any political party whatsoever and have often given fianna fail, labour and fine gael votes in the past. This time however i will be giving sinn fein a vote as i am sick to my teeth of all this austerity bull****e, broken promises and having property tax, water charges, cuts to child benefits, carer allowance etc etc. thrown at me. Will it be any better under sinn fein? Absolutely no idea but they surely cant be any worse than the shower of ****es we have in government at the moment. Time will tell...

Resonator75 · 22-05-2014 11:55PM

And yes it was a terrible horrible period in Irish history , but to read / hear all the anti SF crap you'd think that the only people who did wrong in the north were IRA, Nationalists and SF.

There is a deep seated loathing of Irish Republicanism ( I mean that in the pure sense of the word) by your Fintan O Toole types et all.

A whole sector of this country would have rather kept sucking at England's tit. Its like they are embarrassed and ashamed someone stood up and created this so called republic.

Are we not all Irish Republicans? Why is this a dirty term?

Resonator75 · 22-05-2014 11:56PM

RecordStraight wrote: »

Ok. It's good to get some numbers so we know where we stand.

Pi$$ off , you asked for them, I obliged.

RecordStraight · 22-05-2014 11:56PM

strettyend wrote: »

I have no alliance to any political party whatsoever and have often given fianna fail, labour and fine gael votes in the past. This time however i will be giving sinn fein a vote as i am sick to my teeth of all this austerity bull****e, broken promises and having property tax, water charges, cuts to child benefits, carer allowance etc etc. thrown at me. Will it be any better under sinn fein? Absolutely no idea but they surely cant be any worse than the shower of ****es we have in government at the moment. Time will tell...

The austerity bull**** was a condition of the Troika bailout.

Without the bailout, we'd have had to cut public spending/increase taxes by about 25 billion in one year.

Changing government does not mean your problems disappear into the mist, unfortunately. The standard of our politicians is probably a fair bit better than the standard of our voters.

RecordStraight · 22-05-2014 11:56PM

Resonator75 wrote: »

Pi$$ off , you asked for them, I obliged.

??

Yeah, and I said it was good to get them. What's with the aggression?

Iwasfrozen · 22-05-2014 11:57PM

strettyend wrote: »

I have no alliance to any political party whatsoever and have often given fianna fail, labour and fine gael votes in the past. This time however i will be giving sinn fein a vote as i am sick to my teeth of all this austerity bull****e, broken promises and having property tax, water charges, cuts to child benefits, carer allowance etc etc. thrown at me. Will it be any better under sinn fein? Absolutely no idea but they surely cant be any worse than the shower of ****es we have in government at the moment. Time will tell...

If you think SF in government won't carry out cuts then you're a fool.

Resonator75 · 22-05-2014 11:58PM

RecordStraight wrote: »

??

Yeah, and I said it was good to get them. What's with the aggression?

Because its midnight, Ive had a few glasses of wine, I feel very passionate about all of this and you were cheeky in your response after I tried to make common ground.

feargale · 22-05-2014 11:58PM

glued wrote: »

People encouraged members of the IRA to disarm and move into politics and now you want to shun them for doing that?

Just because they moved into politics doesn't mean you are obliged to vote for them.

RecordStraight · 23-05-2014 12:00AM

Resonator75 wrote: »

Because its midnight, Ive had a few glasses of wine, I feel very passionate about all of this and you were cheeky in your response after I tried to make common ground.

I didn't think I was cheeky. But then tone doesn't come across in text.

Resonator75 · 23-05-2014 12:01AM

feargale wrote: »

Just because they moved into politics doesn't mean you are obliged to vote for them.

Nelson Mandella
Michael Collins
George Washington
Mahatma Gandhi
Simon Bolivar
Éamon de Valera

All 'terrorists' that moved into politics.

Iwasfrozen · 23-05-2014 12:03AM

Resonator75 wrote: »

Nelson Mandella
Michael Collins
George Washington
Mahatma Gandhi
Simon Bolivar
Éamon de Valera

Good thing I haven't voted for any of them.

strettyend · 23-05-2014 12:03AM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

If you think SF in government won't carry out cuts then you're a fool.

Never said sinn fein wont carry out cuts-im sure they will. However i would expect the less well off wouldnt be hammered as much and the filthy rich pay more.

feargale · 23-05-2014 12:07AM

Resonator75 wrote: »

Nelson Mandella
Michael Collins
George Washington
Mahatma Gandhi
Simon Bolivar
Éamon de Valera
All 'terrorists' that moved into politics.

And you're obliged to vote for all of those? No choice?

P.S. Gandhi a terrorist?

Resonator75 · 23-05-2014 12:07AM

strettyend wrote: »

Never said sinn fein wont carry out cuts-im sure they will. However i would expect the less well off wouldnt be hammered as much and the filthy rich pay more.

That is the single reason they are gaining ground.

The down trodden/skint/hard done by/etc are looking for a voice.

It used to be labor , they are a sick joke now.

Im sure SF will most likely turn into a bunch of plonks to but I think they deserve one shot at it.

I have not quite given up hope that one day we will have a government that actually looks out for the country and its people first rather than the usual bunch of maggots, insiders and trough dwellers.

RecordStraight · 23-05-2014 12:08AM

strettyend wrote: »

Never said sinn fein wont carry out cuts-im sure they will. However i would expect the less well off wouldnt be hammered as much and the filthy rich pay more.

I recently posted this information about who is paying what tax. It comes from Ronan Lyons:

And now, to reveal the answers, with some interesting facts about Ireland’s income tax system along the way:
Ireland’s top 0.5% of earners, the 11,714 people who earned more than €275,000 in a year, paid almost 18% of all income tax, over €2bn in total. Their average tax rate was 27.5%.
Almost 770,000 people earned less than €17,000. Understandably, given tax credits, these workers paid a tiny amount of tax, €20m in total. Their average tax rate was about 0.5%.
It’s in the middle, though, where things seem to go all screwy. The median earner, earning about €25,000, paid just 4% in income tax! As I argued before, we seem to have got ourselves into a situation where the typical Irish worker pays hardly any income tax and yet seems to think they are heavily taxed.
So, to go back to the quiz above, the answers are:
Option 4 – the average millionaire pays six times the income tax rate of the average worker. There’s one thing the system ain’t and that’s regressive!
Option 5 – amazingly, two thirds of the 2.2m people paying income tax in Ireland paid an average rate of less than 10%.
Option 1 – as per above, the median earner pays about 4% in income tax in Ireland, compared to 20% in the OECD.

feargale · 23-05-2014 12:08AM

Resonator75 wrote: »

Nelson Mandella
Michael Collins
George Washington
Mahatma Gandhi
Simon Bolivar
Éamon de Valera
All 'terrorists' that moved into politics.

And you're obliged to vote for all of those? No choice?P.S. Gandhi a terrorist?

RecordStraight · 23-05-2014 12:09AM

feargale wrote: »

P.S. Gandhi a terrorist?

He didn't wear those pants for fun.

Resonator75 · 23-05-2014 12:09AM

feargale wrote: »

And you're obliged to vote for all of those? No choice?P.S. Gandhi a terrorist?

My point is that in thier own time they were viewd as dangeous outsiders.

And yes, Gandhi was VERY MUCH viewed as a terrorist by the British empire. He scared the crap out of them, with good reason. Who could have seen that salt would end an empire? He did.

Mrs W · 23-05-2014 12:16AM

Seriously, who votes for SF?? Opposing absolutely everything and wanting to cut all taxes and increase spending, where are the figures going to add up?

Any SF canvasser hasn't been able to answer me that at the door, they're actually the only ones I answer now just to see them squirm:eek:

strettyend · 23-05-2014 12:17AM

RecordStraight wrote: »

I recently posted this information about who is paying what tax. It comes from Ronan Lyons:

Would you say the top earners can afford a loaf of bread or buy fuel after paying their bills? There is people out there struggling so badly with austerity and all these cut backs they dont know where the next couple of euros is coming from to light the fire or put food on the table. That my friend is the reality of modern day ireland.

Resonator75 · 23-05-2014 12:21AM

Mrs W wrote: »

Seriously, who votes for SF?? Opposing absolutely everything and wanting to cut all taxes and increase spending, where are the figures going to add up?

Any SF canvasser hasn't been able to answer me that at the door, they're actually the only ones I answer now just to see them squirm:eek:

The people who are gonna vote for SF are the people who have no one left to vote for as they have been repeated betrayed by the main parties.

The people that cannot see this are the people that have not properly been affected by the recession. There is a more than a touch of 'Let them eat cake' off your post.

Cuts are fine with me but they must be seen to be fair AND ACTUALLY BE FAIR.

Right now we have the poorest, weakest and sickest taking ALL the bloody hits so that joker Enda can keep all his buddies and in crowed in the clover while he tells us how great he is for making tough decisions, and then fuks off to Mayo on a massive pension.

THAT'S WHY SF ARE RISING. OPEN YOUR EYES.

glenmax · 23-05-2014 12:23AM

vitani wrote: »

The Northern Bank?

soon to be the all ireland bank ...

Convicted child killer canvassing for sinn fein[Mod warning-First Post]

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