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Convicted child killer canvassing for sinn fein[Mod warning-First Post]

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  • #302
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    They were scumbags in to drugs, violence and extortion - take your pick. And everybody knows that. You can't hide it.

    And look at the glorious leftovers of the provos today. Gangsters and thugs.
    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Well show us then.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Murphy_(Irish_republican)


  • #303
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,370 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Nodin wrote: »
    Ahhh,the irony.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=90501072&postcount=206



    "preying on the vulnerable"...how? Like making stuff up?


    They are promising things they can't deliver. They are lying (probably not out of choice because they genuinely are probably not advanced enough to know what they are talking about anyway) and giving false hope.

    What they want is some equivalent of Cuba in this part of the world. Great for luring the hard done bys but ultimately life would just be a whole lot worse for everybody.


  • #304
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    They are promising things they can't deliver. They are lying (probably not out of choice because they genuinely are probably not advanced enough to know what they are talking about anyway) and giving false hope.

    What they want is some equivalent of Cuba in this part of the world. Great for luring the hard done bys but ultimately life would just be a whole lot worse for everybody.



    Evidence of drugs......? Where is it?


  • #305
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    bumper234 wrote: »
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Murphy_(Irish_republican)

    That is one member. The quote was about the IRA as an organisation.
    They were scumbags in to drugs, violence and extortion - take your pick. And everybody knows that. You can't hide it.

    Would one member of the British Army into drugs make the entire BA drug runners?


  • #306
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,204 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    They are promising things they can't deliver. They are lying (probably not out of choice because they genuinely are probably not advanced enough to know what they are talking about anyway) and giving false hope.

    What they want is some equivalent of Cuba in this part of the world. Great for luring the hard done bys but ultimately life would just be a whole lot worse for everybody.

    Promising things they can't deliver?

    *flashback to FG and LP manifestos prior to last G.E.* - gosh...look at all those promises they couldn't deliver....

    As for Cuba...it's it amazing how a small island under sanctions from their very large, very powerful, very rich neighbour for over 60s years seems to have failed to go into complete economic meltdown... wish we have a few of their economic advisers over here


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  • #307
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,370 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Nodin wrote: »
    Evidence of drugs......? Where is it?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_McCann_(drugs_trafficker)

    http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/provos-used-drug-runner-to-import-arms-26250395.html

    And I notice you stay away from the extortion and protection rackets the ra use to run in Belfast and Dublin in the good old days.

    They were and are psychotic lowlifes.


  • #308
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    That is one member. The quote was about the IRA as an organisation.



    Would one member of the British Army into drugs make the entire BA drug runners?



    Theres no mention of drugs in that link, to be clear.


  • #309
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,370 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    very rich neighbour for over 60s years seems to have failed to go into complete economic meltdown...

    Are you crazy? Do you think Cubans have a better standard of living than Irish people? :pac:


  • #310
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_McCann_(drugs_trafficker)

    http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/provos-used-drug-runner-to-import-arms-26250395.html
    .
    He wasn't a member, they used him to get in weapons, not drugs, if you read the article. Where is the evidence of the IRA being involved in the drugs trade?

    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

    They were and are psychotic lowlifes.

    Hyperbole. Great word that.


  • #311
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    That is one member. The quote was about the IRA as an organisation.



    Would one member of the British Army into drugs make the entire BA drug runners?

    Way to.move the goalposts ;)


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  • #312
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,370 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Nodin wrote: »
    He wasn't a member, they used him to get in weapons, not drugs, if you read the article. Where is the evidence of the IRA being involved in the drugs trade?

    Ample evidence they were and none that they were not.


    Hyperbole. Great word that.

    So the provos were not psychotic warped murderers according to you? So how do you explain their actions then?


  • #313
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Are you crazy? Do you think Cubans have a better standard of living than Irish people? :pac:

    They have a better health system anyway.


    http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org/2012/fitz071212.html

    Perhaps if US bullyboys (that we aid and abet )left them alone they would improve standards of living for their people.


  • #314
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,069 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Ample evidence they were and none that they were not.
    We're already into "prove-they-weren't" territory here I see. :p


  • #315
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Ample evidence they were.

    Where?



    So the provos were not psychotic warped murderers according to you? So how do you explain their actions then?

    Psychotic warped murderers don't suddenly stop. The IRA put down their weapons and held to their word when they got a deal they could stand by. Quite a simple distinction for the not simple.


  • #316
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,370 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    They have a better health system anyway.


    http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org/2012/fitz071212.html

    Perhaps if US bullyboys (that we aid and abet )left them alone they would improve standards of living for their people.

    They can't because they implement a failed economic ideology. It's most basic disasterous end is seen in North Korea.

    That is the ultimate outcome of a communist ideology. And that is what Mr Adam's wants for this country. Not because of the outcome but because he clearly does not understand the consequences of the philosophy.


  • #317
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    They can't because they implement a failed economic ideology. It's most basic disasterous end is seen in North Korea.

    That is the ultimate outcome of a communist ideology.

    And what did we get with Bertie and Enda's system exactly?
    Would you say those 'systems' where a success for all of our people?


  • #318
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,566 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Psychotic warped murderers don't suddenly stop. The IRA put down their weapons and held to their word when they got a deal they could stand by. Quite a simple distinction for the not simple.

    Well, some did, some became the RIRA and CIRA, who are regularly accused by Sinn Fein supporters of being gangsters and drug dealers.

    Other good republicans, went on to donate money to state funds

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Murphy_(Irish_republican)


    Apologies, missed Bumper's earlier post.


  • #319
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Where?






    Psychotic warped murderers don't suddenly stop. The IRA put down their weapons and held to their word when they got a deal they could stand by. Quite a simple distinction for the not simple.

    Some did


    Not all!


  • #320
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,370 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    And what did we get with Bertie and Enda's system exactly?

    Are you seriously suggesting that life today despite the (temporary) crisis is any near remotely as bad for the average Irish person as for either the average North Korean or Cuban?

    If you genuinely believe that then there must be something wrong with you. You must be in cuckoo land.


  • #321
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Are you seriously suggesting that life today despite the (temporary) crisis is any near remotely as bad for the average Irish person as for either the average North Korean or Cuban?

    If you genuinely believe that then there must be something wrong with you. You must be in cuckoo land.

    I didn't refer to North Korea.

    No, we have a much better general standard of living. The point is though that Cuba is poor because any outside investment and exportation is hampered by bullyboy sanctions of the US.
    Those things that they can control, like their health service, they have gotten spectacularly right.
    So, potentially, left alone, we have no idea what standard of living they might be able to provide for their people.


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  • #322
    Beano
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    Happyman42 wrote: »
    I didn't refer to North Korea.

    No, we have a much better general standard of living. The point is though that Cuba is poor because any outside investment and exportation is hampered by bullyboy sanctions of the US.
    Those things that they can control, like their health service, they have gotten spectacularly right.
    So, potentially, left alone, we have no idea what standard of living they might be able to provide for their people.

    we could have a fantastic health system as well if we paid our doctors the same wage as we pay people who sweep the streets.


  • #323
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    bumper234 wrote: »
    Some did


    Not all!

    Yes, some did object to the deal. But only an idiot would claim that the IRA are still an active and psychotic force. There is absolutely no evidence of either, just like there is none to suggest that they where, as a movement involved in drug trafficking.


  • #324
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Beano wrote: »
    we could have a fantastic health system as well if we paid our doctors the same wage as we pay people who sweep the streets.

    What about fair wages for everybody?


  • #325
    rosser44
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 571 ✭✭✭rosser44


    Question for the pro IRA posters in the thread:


    The man in question who is currently supported by Sinn Fein in his canvassing for said party knowingly murdered two children, YES or No???

    Straight answers please, none of this "well the brits did x, y & z" dodging.


  • #326
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Yes, some did object to the deal. But only an idiot would claim that the IRA are still an active and psychotic force. There is absolutely no evidence of either, just like there is none to suggest that they where, as a movement involved in drug trafficking.

    Some of the psycho's that were (and still are) part of the "dissident" Republican movement were once the golden boys and girls of the PIRA.


  • #327
    Beano
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭Beano


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    What about fair wages for everybody?

    what about a wage that represents the effort and results that people achieve in their work?


  • #328
    Yamanoto
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,489 ✭✭✭Yamanoto


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    If you genuinely believe that then there must be something wrong with you. You must be in cuckoo land.

    He wouldn't be the only one....

    https://twitter.com/GerryAdamsSF/status/436977462409699328


  • #329
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,069 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    This is all waffle anyway. SF's policies of increasing the progressive tax rates and a wealth tax have nothing in common with either North Korea or Cuba anyway.
    Non point from the outset.
    If you want to look at countries with the most equitable income distribution they tend to be among the most successful in the world.


  • #330
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    bumper234 wrote: »
    Some of the psycho's that were (and still are) part of the "dissident" Republican movement were once the golden boys and girls of the PIRA.

    Define 'psycho'.


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  • #331
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Define 'psycho'.

    Well we could start with child killers if you wish.


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