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Convicted child killer canvassing for sinn fein[Mod warning-First Post]

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  • #212
    Pumpkinseeds
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,635 ✭✭✭Pumpkinseeds


    Itsdacraic wrote: »
    So you don't vote for Fianna Fail or Fine Gael either?
    No, I don't but for other reasons.


  • #213
    Beano
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭Beano


    Grayson wrote: »
    The main argument in support of this guy and Adams seems to be some or all of the following

    1) Long time ago. get over it.
    2) people do **** in war. get over it.
    3) You love the British. get over it.

    Here's how I feel about it. The guy blew up two children. It might have been a "war" but since when did it become acceptable to kill children? Is there some line these guys never crossed that wouldn't be acceptable? What if he'd raped English royal children? Would people be saying get over it?

    McMahon deliberately killed two children, one irish and one english. He's refused to even speak to their parents. He's scum.

    Killing children is wrong. It's wrong at any time. It's wrong for any reason. Anyone who does it is despicable scum. Anyone who excuses them is scum.

    All of the relevant information in this thread contained in one post.


  • #214
    RollieFingers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,645 ✭✭✭RollieFingers


    Grayson wrote: »
    The main argument in support of this guy and Adams seems to be some or all of the following

    1) Long time ago. get over it.
    2) people do **** in war. get over it.
    3) You love the British. get over it.

    Here's how I feel about it. The guy blew up two children. It might have been a "war" but since when did it become acceptable to kill children? Is there some line these guys never crossed that wouldn't be acceptable? What if he'd raped English royal children? Would people be saying get over it?

    McMahon deliberately killed two children, one irish and one english. He's refused to even speak to their parents. He's scum.

    Killing children is wrong. It's wrong at any time. It's wrong for any reason. Anyone who does it is despicable scum. Anyone who excuses them is scum.

    Do you consider Nelson Mandela to be "despicable scum"?


  • #215
    Nodin
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    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Is Gerry still good mates with his comrade Castro? And this is the fella the shinners want to sort out our finances?

    You might address this point before we go further....
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=90501072&postcount=206


  • #216
    Birroc
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,070 ✭✭✭Birroc


    Nodin wrote: »
    Terrified they'll be in some time in the next ten years then?


    Absolutely not!

    We need SF in power and the sooner the better. They are the only party that have not been in power in recent decades.

    We need SF in power before things get out of hand.

    WHY?

    Because they are the ultimate "hurler on the ditch". They sit there and shout how they would abolish austerity etc but they do not explain where the money will come from to run the country. We need to see them exposed as a small party in a coalition.

    I WANT TO SEE THE Sinn Fein MAGIC MONEY TREE!!!

    Vote SF now! Let's all have a good laugh....


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  • #217
    Banjo String
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    Barely There wrote: »
    A sizable percentage of the Shinner support find it too difficult to get off their barstool and waddle down to their local polling station.
    There's always been a big gap in Opinion Poll support and actual votes.

    A part of blowhards, economic illiterates and child-murder apologists.

    Well, I suppose we'll get the answer to this on Saturday Frank ;)


  • #218
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    RollieFingers wrote: »
    Do you consider Nelson Mandela to be "despicable scum"?

    How many children did he blow up? Can he be directly implicated in any action that targeted children? Did he ever say that killing children was acceptable?


  • #219
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Spring Onion wrote: »
    I am trying to figure out if Sinn Fein supporters agree. My question was, if you were the election manager, would you allow it?

    I myself am not a SF supporter but if I was the SF election manager, I would not allow it on the basis that it would cause more harm than good.

    I'll give you three guesses.

    All this 'damage' being done to SF...we'll see what it amounts to at a poll that matters very soon I suppose.


  • #220
    Beano
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    RollieFingers wrote: »
    Do you consider Nelson Mandela to be "despicable scum"?

    I do. He never apologised for any of the bombings he was responsible for. There is no doubt he did some good things later in life but they don't cancel out the taking of innocent lives. But this thread isnt about Mandela.


  • #221
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    I doubt they're too worried about the fallout of this anyway. Carthy is still 20/1 odds-on to win his seat

    http://www.paddypower.com/bet/novelty-betting/other-politics/irish-politics/Midlands-North-West-6731069.html


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  • #222
    RollieFingers
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    Grayson wrote: »
    How many children did he blow up? Can he be directly implicated in any action that targeted children? Did he ever say that killing children was acceptable?

    Church Street West, Pretoria, on the 20 May 1983

    -Amanzimtoti Shopping complex KZN, 23 December 1985

    -Krugersdorp Magistrate’s Court, 17 March 1988

    -Durban Pick ‘n Pay shopping complex, 1 September 1986

    -Pretoria Sterland movie complex 16 April 1988 – limpet mine killed ANC terrorist M O Maponya instead

    -Johannesburg Magistrate’s Court, 20 May 1987

    -Roodepoort Standard Bank 3 June, 1988

    All terrorist acts carried out by the terrorist wing of the ANC, of which Mandela was the leader. Many fatalities, including women and children. At his trial he admitted mobilising terrorist bombing campaigns. Yet going by your logic he is not seen as "despicable scum"?


  • #223
    OldRio
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    Reading through this thread, it does look like the Independent succeeded in its aim.


  • #224
    stimpson
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    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Is Gerry still good mates with his comrade Castro? And this is the fella the shinners want to sort out our finances?

    How many comrades who are now senior members of the Labour party visited the USSR in the late 70's?


  • #225
    czx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 544 ✭✭✭czx


    Nodin wrote: »
    You might address this point before we go further....
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=90501072&postcount=206

    ....evidence?


  • #226
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    RollieFingers wrote: »
    Church Street West, Pretoria, on the 20 May 1983

    -Amanzimtoti Shopping complex KZN, 23 December 1985

    -Krugersdorp Magistrate’s Court, 17 March 1988

    -Durban Pick ‘n Pay shopping complex, 1 September 1986

    -Pretoria Sterland movie complex 16 April 1988 – limpet mine killed ANC terrorist M O Maponya instead

    -Johannesburg Magistrate’s Court, 20 May 1987

    -Roodepoort Standard Bank 3 June, 1988

    All terrorist acts carried out by the terrorist wing of the ANC, of which Mandela was the leader. Many fatalities, including women and children. At his trial he admitted mobilising terrorist bombing campaigns. Yet going by your logic he is not seen as "despicable scum"?

    Assuming you got that list through a copy and paste from here (because it’s the exact copy and paste of the headings there)
    http://www.censorbugbear.org/black-racism/terrorism/nelson-mandela-the-bombing-record
    it doesn’t actually say that children were killed or targeted. That was the main point of my post. If you’re going to try and make a point, at least look up some relevant facts. It might also be good to look up articles that aren’t in a section Labelled “Black racism” on a website that has a section dedicated to the “Genocide of white people in South Africa”

    Either way though, those were horrible attacks on civilians. And Mandela is scum if he signed off on them. Btw, it doesn’t actually show that he did sign off on it and at that point it was 20 years since his trial..

    So, how exactly is Mandela not seen as dispicable scum according to my logic?


  • #227
    Happyman42
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    OldRio wrote: »
    Reading through this thread, it does look like the Independent succeeded in its aim.

    Yeh, they managed to stir up the pious moral bile in those who would never vote for SF anyhow.


  • #228
    bumper234
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    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Yeh, they managed to stir up the pious moral bile in those who would never vote for SF anyhow.

    Or they showed that SF are still happy to have murdering scum among their party.


  • #229
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    bumper234 wrote: »
    Or they showed that SF are still happy to have murdering scum among their party.

    QED


  • #230
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    stimpson wrote: »
    How many comrades who are now senior members of the Labour party visited the USSR in the late 70's?

    Kathleen Lynch's husband Bernard, a convicted murderer, still canvasses for her and Labour afaik


  • #231
    czx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 544 ✭✭✭czx


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Yeh, they managed to stir up the pious moral bile in those who would never vote for SF anyhow.

    There are a few posters who love posting moral bile about a range of topics but seem to let SF off the hook


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  • #232
    FTA69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    My name is URL wrote: »
    Kathleen Lynch's husband Bernard, a convicted murderer, still canvasses for her and Labour afaik

    His conviction was overturned. He was still up to his neck in Sticky activity though and pretty much certainly was involved in the incident you're on about.


  • #233
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    bumper234 wrote: »
    Or they showed that SF are still happy to have murdering scum among their party.

    Happyman42 wrote: »
    QED
    Despite being a convicted child killer, the party has described his contribution to the campaign as "valued".

    :rolleyes:


  • #234
    Spring Onion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,087 ✭✭✭Spring Onion


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    I'll give you three guesses..
    You could just give me a yes or a no. It's a simple question requiring an opinion.

    I already know carthy will be elected. It's not what I asked.


  • #235
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Spring Onion wrote: »
    You could just give me a yes or a no. It's a simple question requiring an opinion.

    I don't have a problem with it, as I have said previously, I have worked with people from both sides who have a 'past' of this nature, and I would emphatically trust their intentions.
    If somebody is genuinely working for peace then they are perfectly entitled to be involved in that work.


  • #236
    Spring Onion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,087 ✭✭✭Spring Onion


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    I don't have a problem with it, as I have said previously, I have worked with people from both sides who have a 'past' of this nature, and I would emphatically trust their intentions.
    If somebody is genuinely working for peace then they are perfectly entitled to be involved in that work.
    Ok, thank you


  • #237
    Santa Cruz
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Santa Cruz


    Balmed Out wrote: »
    WTF? Go home to your mammy or argue the point.
    Do you think their not a populist party and that FF werent either? Im not a fan of any party in Irish politics they are all to some degree populist. I just think FF were the most populist and pretty much tried to please everyone to gain votes and the Sinn Fein are doing the exact same thing now.

    And FG try to be populist but their inner greed and love of the big farmers, commercial class prevents them being so. If FG has their way third level education, proper housing would be the reserve of their middle class supporters and no one else would get a look in. We have seen how they have hammered certain sectors in society while their own gang get rich.


  • #238
    Karl Stein
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    The Indo must think people are absolute fucking morons if they won't see the timing of this for what it is.

    Let's get one thing straight, those who are trying to manufacture outrage over this don't give two fucks about those kids and only care about trying to halt the rise of SF because they see it as a threat to the establishment.


  • #239
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,365 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Karl Stein wrote: »
    kids and only care about trying to halt the rise of SF because they see it as a threat to the establishment.

    ok I'll bite - what do you propose to replace "the establishment" with? Are people's lives going to be better afterwards?

    Where are you going to get the money from?


  • #240
    stimpson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,711 ✭✭✭stimpson


    Karl Stein wrote: »
    The Indo must think people are absolute fucking morons

    They do. And the fact that they're still in business means they're correct.


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  • #241
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    ok I'll bite - what do you propose to replace "the establishment" with? Are people's lives going to be better afterwards?

    Where are you going to get the money from?


    Sorry, but could you get back to me on this?
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=90501072&postcount=206


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