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30% of Irish People think Jews should shut up about the holocaust

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  • #32
    Frank Lee Midere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,780 ✭✭✭Frank Lee Midere


    Hotale.com wrote: »
    Wtf? I am actually seriously disappointed by this.

    Probably the biggest act of human destruction and moral decline in human history and people want Jews to forget about it.

    If the Brits said the same thing about Bloody Sunday we'd all be sh*tting ourselves.

    If the Brits said the same about the famine they would have to know about the famine.

    Or Bloody Sunday.


  • #33
    Jonny7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


    FouxDaFaFa wrote: »
    The kind of people who believe David Icke's lizards theory as fact rather than some well-crafted analogy.

    Here we go..


  • #34
    Frank Lee Midere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,780 ✭✭✭Frank Lee Midere


    mad muffin wrote: »
    Another person starts up a thread with a link to the Journal and I'll start fücking punching baby seals!! :mad:

    No I don't want to use your fücking app. If I wanted to use your fücking app it would already be installed.

    Just let me follow the fücking link in my web browser. :mad:

    Yeah. I often prefer apps. But not for casual reading. I mean surely they are losing links and revenue.


  • #35
    Seaneh
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    Jonny7 wrote: »
    What's the difference between a zionist and a right wing Israeli nationalist?

    There are Zionists who are neither Israeli nor Jewish (google "Christian Zionism").


  • #36
    Jonny7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


    Seaneh wrote: »
    There are Zionists who are neither Israeli nor Jewish (google "Christian Zionism").

    what's the difference between Israeli hardliners and Israeli zionists?


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  • #37
    Seaneh
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    Jonny7 wrote: »
    what's the difference between Israeli hardliners and Israeli zionists?

    One is a bigotry driven by religious ideology and one is bigotry driven by nationalism.


  • #38
    Sacksian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,896 ✭✭✭Sacksian


    Seaneh wrote: »
    I'd like to say this. Zionists (and right wing israeli nationalists) have misappropriated the holocaust and use it to hide behind and beat down anyone challenges their bigoted views. Jewish people in general do not do this.

    Not every Jew is a Zionist and not every Zionist is a Jew.

    It is also true that many anti-semites have misappropriated legitimate criticism of Israeli foreign policy, called it anti-Zionism, and use it to hide behind their bigoted views.

    It's not hard to spot.


  • #39
    Seaneh
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    Sacksian wrote: »
    It is also true that many anti-semites have misappropriated legitimate criticism of Israeli foreign policy, called it anti-Zionism, and use it to hide behind their bigoted views.

    It's not hard to spot.

    I'm sure this is true but I don't see what that has to do with this topic.


  • #40
    Maphisto
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,014 ✭✭✭Maphisto


    Hotale.com wrote: »
    Wtf? I am actually seriously disappointed by this.

    Probably the biggest act of human destruction and moral decline in human history and people want Jews to forget about it.

    If the Brits said the same thing about Bloody Sunday we'd all be sh*tting ourselves.

    I agree, but I always have my doubts about any of these surveys. For a start they never ask me or anyone I know.

    In this case though ADL interviewed 53000 people in 102 countries that averages out at 520 per country. Such a sample wouldn't even be worthwhile in Galway let alone a larger city or the whole country.

    So attention grabbing headline but same old bollox.


  • #41
    Karl Stein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,687 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    Jonny7 wrote: »
    What's the difference between a zionist and a right wing Israeli nationalist?

    Not much when it comes to the actions of the Israeli state.


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  • #42
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,060 ✭✭✭✭biko


    There are less than 2000 jews in Ireland. So 30% of Irish people think these jews are talking too much about the Holocaust?


  • #43
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    30% of people are talking out of there ass, although seeing the group involved the questions were probably worded in a way to suit them


  • #44
    Sacksian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,896 ✭✭✭Sacksian


    Seaneh wrote: »
    I'm sure this is true but I don't see what that has to do with this topic.

    Well, the topic in the OP is an article from The Journal.

    I'm not sure if you read it, but it's a report of the findings of a worldwide report on anti-semitism, so my comment about anti-semites is pretty relevant to the topic.


  • #45
    Seaneh
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    Sacksian wrote: »
    Well, the topic in the OP is an article from The Journal.

    I'm not sure if you read it, but it's a report of the findings of a worldwide report on anti-semitism, so my comment about anti-semites is pretty relevant to the topic.

    A world wide report on anything by a group of racist mouth breathing bigots like the ADL doesn't really amount to a crock of **** though. So who cares?


  • #46
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,782 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    The holocaust shouldn't be forgotten and if people are feeling apathetic towards Europe, they should think of the holocaust and why we should work together as one rather than apart.
    The European Union exists because of WW2 and how we should never let division allow horrific events to take place in Europe.
    The holocaust should never be forgotten and it is when people stop talking about it that we should start to worry.
    The memory and knowing what caused the holocaust offers us a way to think of how horrific some humans can act and how we must work to stop ever getting to a point where that situation could happen again.
    We don't want a repeat of history.


  • #47
    Frank Lee Midere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,780 ✭✭✭Frank Lee Midere


    Maphisto wrote: »
    I agree, but I always have my doubts about any of these surveys. For a start they never ask me or anyone I know.

    In this case though ADL interviewed 53000 people in 102 countries that averages out at 520 per country. Such a sample wouldn't even be worthwhile in Galway let alone a larger city or the whole country.

    So attention grabbing headline but same old bollox.

    No. 520 is legitimate in Galway and India.


  • #48
    Maid of the Mist
    Site Banned Posts: 63 ✭✭Maid of the Mist


    Not surprising. Ireland has always been a cold house for the Jews.


  • #49
    Frank Lee Midere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,780 ✭✭✭Frank Lee Midere


    biko wrote: »
    There are less than 2000 jews in Ireland. So 30% of Irish people think these jews are talking too much about the Holocaust?

    I doubt if people in Ireland who were interviewed meant Irish Jews talked too much about the holicaust. That wasn't the question.


  • #50
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,623 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    If they're using the Holocaust as a justification for Israel's illegal settlements, then yes, they should shut up about it.

    Apart from that though, the Holocaust has to be remembered. It's one of the most significant atrocities in human history. Using it to justify illegal Israeli actions isn't appropriate.


  • #51
    Maphisto
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,014 ✭✭✭Maphisto


    Frank Lee Midere wrote: »
    No. 520 is legitimate in Galway and India.

    I don't understand the point you are making. Was it supposed to be a joke?


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  • #52
    Frank Lee Midere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,780 ✭✭✭Frank Lee Midere


    Maid of the Mist wrote: »
    Not surprising. Ireland has always been a cold house for the Jews.

    Ireland is , historically, probably Europes warmest house for Jews. Limerick boycott aside. In fact historically irish nationalism and Zionism had links, forgotten now.


  • #53
    RollieFingers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,645 ✭✭✭RollieFingers


    AndonHandon wrote: »
    I'd rather people got over Hillsborough.

    Keyboard Warrior! JFT96


  • #54
    Frank Lee Midere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,780 ✭✭✭Frank Lee Midere


    Maphisto wrote: »
    I don't understand the point you are making. Was it supposed to be a joke?

    No. A sample size of 520 is enough regardless of the total population you are sampling and the sample is truely random.


  • #55
    Maid of the Mist
    Site Banned Posts: 63 ✭✭Maid of the Mist


    Seaneh wrote: »
    I'd like to say this. Zionists (and right wing israeli nationalists) have misappropriated the holocaust and use it to hide behind and beat down anyone challenges their bigoted views. Jewish people in general do not do this.

    I'd like to say this. Irish Republicans (and Sinn Féin members especially) have misappropriated the tricolour and use it to hide behind and beat down anyone challenges their bigoted views. Irish people in general do not do this.


  • #56
    Maid of the Mist
    Site Banned Posts: 63 ✭✭Maid of the Mist


    Frank Lee Midere wrote: »
    Ireland is , historically, probably Europes warmest house for Jews. Limerick boycott aside. In fact historically irish nationalism and Zionism had links, forgotten now.

    LOL good one. Sinn Féin are easily the most anti-Israel party in Ireland. The IRA trained with and shared arms with the PLO. Terrorists stick together.


  • #57
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,623 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    Maphisto wrote: »
    ADL interviewed 53000 people in 102 countries that averages out at 520 per country. Such a sample wouldn't even be worthwhile in Galway let alone a larger city or the whole country.

    So attention grabbing headline but same old bollox.

    If you're adding salt to 2 litres of soup, do you taste twice as much to sample than you would you you were cooking 1 litre of soup? How about 10 litres - taste 10 times as much?

    No, you stir the soup and taste the same amount from each. That's what representative sampling is. The same sample size is appropriate for different population sizes.

    I do agree that 520 is a little on the small side for each jurisdiction, around 1000-2000 would be much better, regardless of which jurisdiction it is.


  • #58
    Maphisto
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,014 ✭✭✭Maphisto


    Frank Lee Midere wrote: »
    No. A sample size of 520 is enough regardless of the total population you are sampling and the sample is truely random.

    Now there's a thing.


  • #59
    Sacksian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,896 ✭✭✭Sacksian


    Seaneh wrote: »
    A world wide report on anything by a group of racist mouth breathing bigots like the ADL doesn't really amount to a crock of **** though. So who cares?

    What's a mouth breather?!

    You don't care that a fifth of people surveyed in Ireland (a quarter in France) agreed that "People hate Jews because of the way Jews behave" or that a quarter of people surveyed in Ireland (a third in France) agreed that "Jews don't care what happens to anyone but their own kind"?

    Unless it was a survey of avowed anti-semites, I don't see how those results are anything other than depressing.


  • #60
    padd b1975
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,910 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    The King of Moo wrote: »
    How many Irish people even know any Jews?

    Curb Your Enthusiasm is reasonably popular here...


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  • #61
    Putin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 686 ✭✭✭Putin


    annascott wrote: »
    Only 30%? The others were probably so sick of hearing about it yet again, that they refused to take the survey... (yawn)


    http://www.thejournal.ie/global-jewish-survey-1472446-May2014/

    Would 30% of Jews know about the Irish Holocaust?


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