Should junkies get free travel?

neamhspleachi · 21-05-2014 01:16PM

bumper234 wrote: »

Because people would start complaining about the influx of junkies from surrounding areas invading their areas.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't

21-05-2014 01:17PM

bumper234 wrote: »

Government needs to go ahead build the prison in Thornton hall, make it single cells only and visiting strictly through glass. Let them have no physical contact with anyone and force them to partake in rehab programes to get them off drugs. Bring in a 3 strike rule and anyone caught gets auto 20.years inside with no parole. Then you will soon see drug addicts and crime in general.fall.

Yeah cause crime dropped dramatically in the US states that brought the three strikes rule in :pac:

Kermit.de.frog · 21-05-2014 01:17PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Well I suppose the question is - is addiction a disability? If so, is it a significant enough disability to deserve a free travel pass?

It is clearly disabling but surely the question of self infliction must also come in to account though?

If it is a disability then they have done it to themselves.

Should they be the equal of those unfortunate enough to be disabled not of their own doing? In my opinion - no.

Frigga_92 · 21-05-2014 01:18PM

bumper234 wrote: »

And when they intimidate paying passengers?

When they bring friends along for free?

When they sit upstairs and light cigarettes?

When they are generally making a nuisance of themselves during the journey by asking for money from passengers?

Make the ****ers walk, If they don't like it they can go without their drugs.

And that is the tamer side of their activities while using public transport.

bumper234 · 21-05-2014 01:18PM

neamhspleachi wrote: »

Damned if you do, damned if you don't

Unfortunately.

I see them every day around town and they are a blight on the city center but then would anyone agree to have them going out to their area and getting treatment?

bumper234 · 21-05-2014 01:21PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yeah cause crime dropped dramatically in the US states that brought the three strikes rule in :pac:

I don't really care about the US and this is about Irelands addicts. Just because something doesn't work in one place does not mean it won't work elsewhere.

Kermit.de.frog · 21-05-2014 01:21PM

bumper234 wrote: »

Unfortunately.

I see them every day around town and they are a blight on the city center but then would anyone agree to have them going out to their area and getting treatment?

Send them to some non descript run down industrial estate. One they can make a s*** of all they like and no one would notice instead of in the center of the city.

Remember as an extension the junkies attract other scum in to town too because the whole tone of the area is brought down to that level.

bumper234 · 21-05-2014 01:23PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Send them to some non descript run down industrial estate. One they can make a s*** of all they like and no one would notice instead of in the center of the city.

Which one though? And how do they get there? Again it pushes the problem to another area where people have to deal with them.

mmg0305 · 21-05-2014 01:24PM

How do they get there? Maybe some kind of travel pass? Oh, wait....

suicide_circus · 21-05-2014 01:24PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

It is clearly disabling but surely the question of self infliction must also come in to account though?

If I eat myself into obesity, am I disabled?

21-05-2014 01:26PM

bumper234 wrote: »

I don't really care about the US and this is about Irelands addicts. Just because something doesn't work in one place does not mean it won't work elsewhere.

Do you really think very hard punishments will reduce crime? cause I really don't think harsher punishments reduce crime.

Kermit.de.frog · 21-05-2014 01:27PM

I suspect nothing is going to be done about it. We have been talking about Dublin city center's worsening problem for years and no one seems to care.

It's only a matter of time before an international tourist magazine black lists Dublin for this. As I said before sadly that will have to happen first before anything is actually done.

We have surrendered a large part of the heart of our capital city to junkies, scum and petty criminals. And I can not understand why nothing is done about it.

bumper234 · 21-05-2014 01:28PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Do you really think very hard punishments will reduce crime? cause I really don't think harsher punishments reduce crime.

So we should bring them into a room and cuddle them until they agree not to be naughty anymore?

Kermit.de.frog · 21-05-2014 01:29PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

If I eat myself into obesity, am I disabled?

The thing is obese people, for the most part, are not making other people's lives a misery (unless you are stuck behind one in the cinema or something).

jimgoose · 21-05-2014 01:29PM

bumper234 wrote: »

So we should bring them into a room and cuddle them until they agree not to be naughty anymore?

I'm told something vaguely similar can happen in prisons. :eek:

suicide_circus · 21-05-2014 01:33PM

Does dublin have more junkies per capita compared to other European cities?

Edit: well shut my mouth...

"Ireland has the highest number of heroin users per capita in Europe"

http://m.vice.com/read/why-isnt-ireland-doing-anything-about-its-heroin-problem

Kermit.de.frog · 21-05-2014 01:37PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Does dublin have more junkies per capita compared to other European cities?

It's distorted because most are corralled in to a pretty small area in the city center. There is something like 13 clinics dotted within eye sight of O'Connell street mostly on the northside.

Our city center does not have to be a cesspit because I doubt we have more junkies than anywhere else. It's just other cities manage it better.

Other cities deal with the problem by having the treatment centers in places like abandoned industrial estates well away. That is policy. And it works. But we don't do what works in this country. We do what does not work.

JumpShivers · 21-05-2014 01:42PM

I've more an issue with junkies getting onto the bus injecting, smoking, getting up to all sorts in front of people...... Then leaving the bus seats in a state. I'm well aware that there are some absolutely filthy people out there who leave their rubbish on the bus.

Is that what I pay an average of 6 euro of for a bus fare for?

Seedy Arling · 21-05-2014 01:59PM

And what about Grannies on meth? They should have their passes taken off them too. Splitters!

WinnyThePoo · 21-05-2014 02:04PM

I used to get the 78A in town, on aston quay. Some junkies didn't bother, they'd just walk on past the driver. Jesus some of the people on that bus.

Boombastic · 21-05-2014 02:06PM

Seedy Arling wrote: »

And what about Grannies on meth? They should have their passes taken off them too. Splitters!

and the kids with ADHD who are being treated with meth

jimgoose · 21-05-2014 02:08PM

Seedy Arling wrote: »

And what about Grannies on meth? They should have their passes taken off them too. Splitters!

If they're the new T-800 models the directional cortex is just at the base of the skull. A good whack with an umbrella knocks it out. They'll still see you but won't be able to orient themselves in order to pursue. This is John Connor. If you're reading this, you are the Resistance.

21-05-2014 02:30PM

bumper234 wrote: »

So we should bring them into a room and cuddle them until they agree not to be naughty anymore?

No if they break any laws to get their drugs like stealing then they should get prison time in a prison where there is no drugs available. If they were in prison for a while without the chance to get high in there, they might get a chance to dry out and fix their lives.

I am not saying to hug them and give them everything, I am really just trying to come up with a humane solution to the problem. Like saying burn them or kill them etc like some here has said is not going to be done so why even bother saying it. Prisons where they can improve themselves would be ideal but wont be done, also most prisons in Ireland there is more drugs available inside than outside that needs to be changed.

bumper234 · 21-05-2014 02:32PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

No if they break any laws to get their drugs like stealing then they should get prison time in a prison where there is no drugs available. If they were in prison for a while without the chance to get high in there, they might get a chance to dry out and fix their lives.

I am not saying to hug them and give them everything, I am really just trying to come up with a humane solution to the problem. Like saying burn them or kill them etc like some here has said is not going to be done so why even bother saying it. Prisons where they can improve themselves would be ideal but wont be done, also most prisons in Ireland there is more drugs available inside than outside that needs to be changed.

So basically exactly what i said?

entropi · 21-05-2014 02:34PM

mikemac1 wrote: »

Most of their "clients" will be from the city centre so it is local to them.

Clinics exist outside the city centre too. Cherry Orchard in Ballyfermot must be at least 8km from the city centre

So when they usually ask me for 50c or a euro to help them get to Galway, they're lying?:eek: Cheek of them!

Thankfully there are new social welfare cards being issued now with photo i.d. and a meeting with a welfare officer needed to get one. If a subset of the population can freely get on a bus and not care about paying then why should I, someone actively trying to better their life, have to? Dublin Bus is already expensive enough to use whenever I have to use it, without having to share it with some of the undead horde from The Walking Dead.

How Soon Is Now · 21-05-2014 02:36PM

They get free travel already its called the Luas.

21-05-2014 02:37PM

bumper234 wrote: »

So basically exactly what i said?

I didn't really have a problem with what you said it was just some people are saying kill them, sterlise them, throw them on an island etc. I was just saying that they have to be dealt with but in the most humane and the way that gives them the most chance at changing possible.

bodice ripper · 21-05-2014 04:22PM

Tail Docker wrote: »

or €400 a day for Meth, which they can't..no, wait..hold on..

That's a lot of meth. My arse is the average Irish junky taking €400 of meth. My arse is the average Irish junky even taking meth.

eisenberg1 · 21-05-2014 04:28PM

bodice ripper wrote: »

That's a lot of meth. My arse is the average Irish junky taking €400 of meth. My arse is the average Irish junky even taking meth.

Not yet maybe, but its coming................

bodice ripper · 21-05-2014 04:34PM

eisenberg1 wrote: »

Not yet maybe, but its coming................

I doubt it. The price of meth is high in Ireland right now, because it is novel and therefore has a small market.

However, were it to gain popularity the price would plummet. That's why meth is so pervasive in the US, it's ****ing cheap.

Even at today's prices €400 of meth would be lethal, even to a long term user.

Should junkies get free travel?

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