Should junkies get free travel?

Kermit.de.frog

I work hard, pay my taxes and abide by the law.

They don't work, they don't pay taxes and they break the law.

I have a car I have to pay for and provide with petrol and if it breaks down I have to pay for the bus.

They get free public transport.



A question. Am I the eejit here?

stefan idiot jones

I will pay for one junkie, a one way ticket to France.

Kermit.de.frog

Unfortunately they are not emigrating as fast as our more fancied youth.

Why France btw? That's a bit, er, random.

chuckyarelaw

Old people generally don't pay tax either.

Kermit.de.frog

They are not old out of choice.

Cookie_Monster

chuckyarelaw wrote: »

Old people generally don't pay tax either.

visual

Never dawned on you that the methadone clinics are moved into city centre so they need to travel..

Cookie_Monster

Nobody should be entitled to free public transport and everyone should have to contribute something towards the cost of a journey, even if it's just a nominal 50c or similar.

Kermit.de.frog

visual wrote: »

Never dawned on you that the methadone clinics are moved into city centre so they need to travel..

You mean the drugs train? i.e the Luas red line? I thought that was it's purpose the last (and final) time I was on it.

And the clinics should be taken out of the city center. It's one thing having the indigenous suffer but why must the visitors too?

El Horseboxo

Is there some sort of junkie form I can fill out? And are they strict with checking up on you?

Kermit.de.frog

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Nobody should be entitled to free public transport

Junkies get free public transport. Most in Dublin will say they shouldn't so why do they?

BetterThanThou

Definitely not, and I don't see why disabled or old people get it either. Now, I totally understand how a lot of old folks and disabled people can't work, thus they need support from the government, which I'm fine with. But they're already getting support from the government, so why can't they pay for their travel out of that? The only time I think free travel passes should be issued is if someone has an ongoing medical problem and lives a significant distance from their hospital. If free travel passes didn't exist, the fees for public transport could be cheaper. It's gotten to the point where I've found it's usually only a small bit more, if not the same price, to drive, rather than use public transport. It shouldn't be like that. But I definitely agree junkies shouldn't get one. Half the time they only go on the bus to do drugs anyway.

Kermit.de.frog

Again this is one thing I can't understand. The vast majority in this poll and in every day life will say they shouldn't get free travel. So why do they!? I can never understand that. The vast majority see something is clearly wrong yet it happens anyway. I'm confuzzled.

pO1Neil

Well for a start junkies don't get "free travel".

Kermit.de.frog

pO1Neil wrote: »

Well for a start junkies don't get "free travel".

Erm they get bus passes (which work on Luas and trains). That is an absolute fact. That is free travel.

pillphil

I think everyone should get free public transport, but I'm a pinko liberal vegatarian commie

alleystar

No, junkies should not get free travel but I'm sure their life isn't a laugh a minute either. I'd rather work and be able to pay my own way than live their sh*tty life.

Life is unfair, get over it.

Kermit.de.frog

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I work hard, pay my taxes and abide by the law.

They don't work, they don't pay taxes and they break the law.

I have a car I have to pay for and provide with petrol and if it breaks down I have to pay for the bus.

They get free public transport.



A question. Am I the eejit here?

Well if you want you can switch with them they are probably homeless, probably not on good terms with family, wrecking their bodies, probably uneducated, spend every cent and minute they have on their next high.

I really don't understand why people say stuff like am I a fool/idiot etc for working. Even if they get free travel their lives are not exactly great, which I know is mostly their own faults but I wouldn't really get upset if they did get free travel.

Anyway to answer your question, no no you are not an eejit you can probably afford a car which they cant, house which they cant, holidays which they cant and you will live a much better and fuller life then they will more than likely, so why worry about if a junkie gets a free bus trip or not really? Your tax money is getting wasted on stuff much worse than that.

stefan idiot jones

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Unfortunately they are not emigrating as fast as our more fancied youth.

Why France btw? That's a bit, er, random.

My Brother has a French OH and two half French kids. Fcukin' awful rabble them French.

They 'assist' enough 'asylum seekers' across the channel away from themselves. It's time we sent some undesirables their way. Cowards.

EyeSight

No. On the luas once i heard one show an inspector his free travel pass and his buddy said he was with him. Are they allowed to bring a friend for free? I really don't see why that's allowed!

To be honest I think it's to keep the conviction rates down. Honestly if they had to pay for it they probably wouldn't and then we have to pay someone to prosecute them and a lawyer to explain to a judge how they had a harsh upbringing. Then we need to pay a judge to leave them off

pO1Neil

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Erm they get bus passes (which work on Luas and trains). That is an absolute fact. That is free travel.

Yes, people who get Methadone from a clinic are entitled to one. Or maybe you'd prefer them of the methadone & back on the the streets of the cities robbing old ones handbags to by their next fix & leaving dirty needles around the place?

henryporter

From the thread title I thought you were on about the junkies helping themselves to free travel by hijacking cars

No Pants

BetterThanThou wrote: »

Definitely not, and I don't see why disabled or old people get it either. Now, I totally understand how a lot of old folks and disabled people can't work, thus they need support from the government, which I'm fine with. But they're already getting support from the government, so why can't they pay for their travel out of that? The only time I think free travel passes should be issued is if someone has an ongoing medical problem and lives a significant distance from their hospital. If free travel passes didn't exist, the fees for public transport could be cheaper. It's gotten to the point where I've found it's usually only a small bit more, if not the same price, to drive, rather than use public transport. It shouldn't be like that. But I definitely agree junkies shouldn't get one. Half the time they only go on the bus to do drugs anyway.

I think it's more to do with the fact that your average pensioner has been working and paying money to the state for forty to fifty years. It's a benefit that comes with the pension, probably a vote buying exercise from years ago.

There is a contributory pension and a non-contributory pension. I think the former should get the travel pass, not the latter.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Nice unloaded poll you got there

1 - sensible no
2 - loony yes

What if I want to say yes, but for a different reason to the one in the poll?

Banjo String

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

A question. Am I the eejit here?

Its not easy being green.

:cool:

Arthur Beesley

visual wrote: »

Never dawned on you that the methadone clinics are moved into city centre so they need to travel..

Do these junkies not have legs or something? Let them walk.

Turtyturd

EyeSight wrote: »

No. On the luas once i heard one show an inspector his free travel pass and his buddy said he was with him. Are they allowed to bring a friend for free? I really don't see why that's allowed!

To be honest I think it's to keep the conviction rates down. Honestly if they had to pay for it they probably wouldn't and then we have to pay someone to prosecute them and a lawyer to explain to a judge how they had a harsh upbringing. Then we need to pay a judge to leave them off

Yeah someone can go with them using the pass. I remember a few years ago waiting at the bus stop and a junkie told his friend to tell the driver he was his 'boyfriend' and he wouldn't have to pay the fare. I stood back waiting for him to tell the bus driver, and for both the junkie and the driver to burst out laughing but the driver just rolled his eyes and waved him on.

I also don't think it would keep conviction rates/legal costs down. In my experience bus drivers/inspectors will ignore anyone who looks like they might give them a bit of hassle and concentrate on giving tickets to students who might not have a travel card.

Davei141

Have you ever seen the trouble caused when a junkie who doesn't have a bus pass tries to scam his way on a bus? +10 minutes of hassle and delay and they usually get on anyway as the bus driver can't be arsed arguing all day with a zombie.

Boombastic

junkets for junkies



Why can't they walk, it's not like most of them have jobs to go to or much else to be doing.The exercise would do them good.

hardCopy

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Unfortunately they are not emigrating as fast as our more fancied youth.

Why France btw? That's a bit, er, random.

Those French will eat anything

mikemac1

visual wrote: »

Never dawned on you that the methadone clinics are moved into city centre so they need to travel..

Most of their "clients" will be from the city centre so it is local to them.

Clinics exist outside the city centre too. Cherry Orchard in Ballyfermot must be at least 8km from the city centre

Tail Docker

visual wrote: »

Never dawned on you that the methadone clinics are moved into city centre so they need to travel..

Big ask for flexibility in the working conditions of the word "need" there. And "dawned" too, as it happens.

Flippyfloppy

Hmmm what do the upstanding insomniac citizens that stay up posting throughout the night have to say?

I agree with pp, your option for yes on your poll are not the reasons they were given travel passes

Tail Docker

Deleted User wrote: »

Well if you want you can switch with them they are probably homeless, probably not on good terms with family, wrecking their bodies, probably uneducated, spend every cent and minute they have on their next high.

I really don't understand why people say stuff like am I a fool/idiot etc for working. Even if they get free travel their lives are not exactly great, which I know is mostly their own faults but I wouldn't really get upset if they did get free travel.

Anyway to answer your question, no no you are not an eejit you can probably afford a car which they cant, house which they cant, holidays which they cant and you will live a much better and fuller life then they will more than likely, so why worry about if a junkie gets a free bus trip or not really? Your tax money is getting wasted on stuff much worse than that.

or €400 a day for Meth, which they can't..no, wait..hold on..

The J Stands for Jay

I think they should get free travel. Free travel to a farm upstate.

Boombastic

Tail Docker wrote: »

or €400 a day for Meth, which they can't..no, wait..hold on..

they'd probably have to dip in to their savings for the car and house

oldyouth

Im going to move to this Ireland place. Seems like you get everything for free and the worse a person you are, the more crap you get away with.

BetterThanThou

Davei141 wrote: »

Have you ever seen the trouble caused when a junkie who doesn't have a bus pass tries to scam his way on a bus? +10 minutes of hassle and delay and they usually get on anyway as the bus driver can't be arsed arguing all day with a zombie.

I remember once I saw a junkie who was out of his head just walk on to the bus without saying anything to the driver. The driver sent another junkie who got on after him up to get him. This resulted in a scrap between the two junkies. Great entertainment.

mickydoomsux

I work in public transport and I absolutely disagree with junkies/drunks having free travel. It's insulting to paying customers. Plus, nearly 100% of trouble is caused by these types. A fare paying customer won't cause hassle.

I don't see how inflicting a condition on yourself should entitle you to something that costs others thousands of euro a year.

Turtyturd

oldyouth wrote: »

Im going to move to this Ireland place. Seems like you get everything for free and the worse a person you are, the more crap you get away with.

Don't do it...if you gullible enough to believe everything you read on here you will have spent all your money buying cheap laptops from travellers 5 minutes after you arrive.

Boombastic

Turtyturd wrote: »

Don't do it...if you gullible enough to believe everything you read on here you will have spent all your money buying cheap laptops from travellers 5 minutes after you arrive.

if he goes down to the community welfare officer with his sob story they'll replace his monies and his laptops, they'd probably throw in a free pram too- oy no need to bring this on the bus, they'll give you another one next time they see you

bumper234

pO1Neil wrote: »

Well for a start junkies don't get "free travel".

What do they get then? Because i see them get on the bus every day and not one of them pays for their journey, Sure as **** looks like free travel to me.

Xeyn

chuckyarelaw wrote: »

Old people generally don't pay tax either.

You do realise a lot if not most, 'old people' have spent their entire working lives contributing tax. A lot more than you or I.

bumper234

Arthur Beesley wrote: »

Do these junkies not have legs or something? Let them walk.

You can picture the scene every morning as hundreds of junkies shuffle their way into town for their fix

http://davefarmersblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/zombie_horde.jpg

Boombastic

Xeyn wrote: »

You do realise a lot if not most, 'old people' have spent their entire working lives contributing tax. A lot more than you or I.

a lot of old people are junkies too



they pop more pills than a neon tracksuited raver
heart tablets...yeah right!

eviltwin

bumper234 wrote: »

What do they get then? Because i see them get on the bus every day and not one of them pays for their journey, Sure as **** looks like free travel to me.

someone pays for it but it certainly ain't the junkies

bumper234

Davei141 wrote: »

Have you ever seen the trouble caused when a junkie who doesn't have a bus pass tries to scam his way on a bus? +10 minutes of hassle and delay and they usually get on anyway as the bus driver can't be arsed arguing all day with a zombie.

So because it may be a bit difficult we shouldn't do it?

Let's take the free passes off them and use the money saved to hire a ****load of security guards like they have for the luas. This will create jobs and put money into the economy, it will also make people feel safer on buses hence more revenue for Dublin bus. The junkies won't be long paying their fare or stepping back off the bus when they see a big burly ****er standing there.

No Pants

Boombastic wrote: »

if he goes down to the community welfare officer with his sob story they'll replace his monies and his laptops, they'd probably throw in a free pram too- oy no need to bring this on the bus, they'll give you another one next time they see you

And if they mislaid their spawn/baby, they take one off a TAXPAYER and give it to them for free!

Wazdakka

No...
In fact, exactly the opposite.

We should force them to walk... On treadmills, that are connected to generators..

I think that we should just round them all up...
Put every single junkie in the country on a treadmill.

Dangle a bit of skag on the end of a fishing rod, just out of their reach.

Et voila..
A Cheap renewable energy source for the country.

Also it would help clean up the place a bit.
Having skagheads lying all around the place is pretty untidy..

eviltwin

I've no issue with someone getting a pass for a visit to a health care professional especially those who are on the road to recovery. I think anyone who is really trying to kick a drugs habit needs all the support we can give them.

The problem is that its used by all junkies, I do resent having to pay about 7 quid round trip into town when these people get it for free and then go upstairs and just treat the bus like their own personal doss house.

AdolfHipster

Get the red line to work every morning and they are always on it out of their heads causing hassle. Havent seen one pay a fare. If there are people on checking tickets they jump off and wait, or if they do get caught they just complain and make a scene until they're eventually left alone.

Whereas, If I didnt pay the fare I'd be getting fined - no two ways about it. F**king despise them.