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Minimum Alcohol pricing

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  • #62
    rubadub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,387 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Is there a new tax? were is this money going ? please don't say just to the supermarkets.
    It was proposed to go to the supermarkets & offies. They kept sort of quiet about that point, I reckon most people presumed it would go to the government.

    The offies & off licence association also kept quiet about it of course. This is why you heard no real opposition from them, as they would experience a drop in business if people returned to pubs -but the ludicrous prices would probably more than cover this.

    Minimum pricing is supposed to be against EU law anyway.


  • #63
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    candy-gal1 wrote: »
    The price of drink is getting to and is in some places extorsion tbh, especially since some places which have always had 3e drink nights etc have stopped as with a certain bar which apparrantly closed than recently up on Grafton street which used to be 4.60 all pints anytime! :(

    Right now, imho, the best value for drinking on a night out with a good atmosphere etc too would be Club Hell, Diceys, Poison and Aldi/Lidl if your drinking at home - same thing but a fcukload cheaper!

    Krystle Fridays. €3 all pints, bottles, spirits, and a lot of €5 cocktail deals.
    €10 admission but you can email ahead and get guestlist.

    Regarding supermarkets, Tesco currently have a very nice tasting white rum for €11.69 per 70cl, and honestly you can't tell the difference between it and bacardi. They also have a dark rum for €12.99 which I haven't had a chance to try yet. Got a bottle of Beefeater gin for €15 and 25 cans of bulmers for €25 in superquinn around last November as well. €1 Dutch Gold in most offos.

    It's not all bad! :D

    EDIT: For those places that have increased, do we have any evidence that this is the implementation of a government policy as opposed to a simply price increase due to losses / manfacturer increases / etc?


  • #64
    2lazytogetup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 872 ✭✭✭2lazytogetup


    You are a bunch of moaners. Alcohol has dropped in price in real terms by about 80% since the 90s. The cost Im going to pay health levy to pay for your new livers is going to shoot through the roof. Goverment is doing you no favours keeping the alcohol duty/excise low.

    Ill see myself out.


  • #65
    rubadub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,387 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    2lazytogetup wrote: »
    Goverment is doing you no favours keeping the alcohol duty/excise low.
    there was NO plan in increase duty/excise.


  • #66
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,622 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    2lazytogetup wrote: »
    You are a bunch of moaners. Alcohol has dropped in price in real terms by about 80% since the 90s. The cost Im going to pay health levy to pay for your new livers is going to shoot through the roof. Goverment is doing you no favours keeping the alcohol duty/excise low.

    How many people do you think get new livers in Ireland each year out of interest?


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  • #67
    hatrickpatrick
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    Diego Simeone wrote: »
    How many people do you think get new livers in Ireland each year out of interest?

    Apparently designer livers are all the rage at the moment. Rapidly closing in on designer boobs for the #1 most sought after surgery for women, and designer willies for the #1 most sought after surgery for men.


  • #68
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 99,589 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Just a reminder of what a half decent 500ml bottle of beer can cost including excise duty and VAT, but excluding brand snobbery

    It's €1.25

    it was 91c last week

    actually it was 83c a few weeks ago

    4.9% Alcohol
    Ingredients water, barley malt, hops extract.
    Brewed in Germany, "Rehinheitsgebot"


    Beer is cheap to make. Excise duty isn't anywhere near as high as people think.


    And someone needs to explain how supermarkets can stop drinking to excess when any weekend night there's plenty of evidence that charging a fiver a pint and only getting that pint from publican who is duty bound to stop serving you once you get a skin full doesn't work.


  • #69
    Capt'n Midnight
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    http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/has-our-national-lust-for-alcohol-been-cured-1.1801482
    Alcohol consumption is down by 25 per cent from its peak and is at levels last seen in the mid-1990s before the Celtic Tiger took hold.
    ...
    Last year’s notable fall comes against the background of an economy on the rise. In theory, a rise in employment and a decline in unemployment should lead to increases in alcohol consumption levels, but the opposite has been the case.
    ...
    Economic factors are also important. People have less money and many of those who drink the most, specifically males between the ages of 20 and 30, have emigrated.


  • #70
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,706 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    If we see them hike alcohol much more, would people start shopping up north again?


  • #71
    darkpagandeath
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    Idbatterim wrote: »
    If we see them hike alcohol much more, would people start shopping up north again?

    Probably, You know go up There and buy Alcohol made here and then transported up there that's sold way cheaper. And while your up there do the months shopping. Clearly going to help the economy But I'm guessing ministers don't really think alot of stuff through.


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  • #72
    rubadub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,387 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    If we see them hike alcohol much more, would people start shopping up north again?

    the plan was supposed to be that the 2 governments would co-operate and have similar price fixing going on, and both governments benefiting financially only due to the rise in VAT.

    So say a €1 can goes to €2 with minimum pricing. excise duty is the same, which is based on the alcohol in the can, nothing to do with price. So now it still has 23% vat, so the government get 23cent more on the sale at €2 than €1, and the retailer gets 77cent more, which the government could have gotten.


  • #73
    Funkfield
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    Diego Simeone wrote: »
    How many people do you think get new livers in Ireland each year out of interest?


    12.


    Linky


  • #74
    Lenin Skynard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,970 ✭✭✭Lenin Skynard


    I hope Tesco goes to the wall in this country. Their own brand produce is muck, their meat and veg is muck, and now their drink prices have become extortionate. In my local "Tesco Express" lately, they had 8 Heineken for €16.50. I turned around and walked straight out the door and headed for Aldi.


  • #75
    darkpagandeath
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    Lenin Skynard wrote: »
    I hope Tesco goes to the wall in this country. Their own brand produce is muck, their meat and veg is muck, and now their drink prices have become extortionate. In my local "Tesco Express" lately, they had 8 Heineken for €16.50. I turned around and walked straight out the door and headed for Aldi.

    Its not just tesco local Centra here has the same price.


  • #76
    rubadub
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    Lenin Skynard wrote: »
    In my local "Tesco Express" lately, they had 8 Heineken for €16.50. I turned around and walked straight out the door and headed for Aldi.
    So you are comparing a convenience store to aldi, -you're not seriously surprised it might cost more are you?

    4 cans of heineken is currently showing as 6.99 in aldi and €7 in a regular tesco supermarket.

    Tesco Express stores are neighbourhood convenience stores averaging 200 square metres (2,200 sq ft), stocking mainly food with an emphasis on higher-margin products (due to small store size, and the necessity to maximise revenue per square foot) alongside everyday essentials


  • #77
    pajor
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    BluesBerry wrote: »
    the pear cider is nice too

    If you can find a nice, cheaper alcoholic drink than Aldi cider then.. you're not in Ireland. :pac:


  • #78
    Tarzana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Tarzana


    rubadub wrote: »
    So you are comparing a convenience store to aldi, -you're not seriously surprised it might cost more are you?

    Tesco Expresses aren't convenience stores in the normal sense, they have supermarket prices. Not discounted German supermarket prices, but supermarket prices all the same. Like you quoted above, they sell the higher profit margin items mostly but not anymore expensively than in their larger stores, it's just that in the bigger ones the higher margin stuff is mixed in with a greater variety of items. They just have them I guess to take from other higher prices convenience stores, as people don't like going into large supermarkets for a bar and some milk.


  • #79
    Lenin Skynard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,970 ✭✭✭Lenin Skynard


    rubadub wrote: »
    So you are comparing a convenience store to aldi, -you're not seriously surprised it might cost more are you?

    4 cans of heineken is currently showing as 6.99 in aldi and €7 in a regular tesco supermarket.

    I am actually surprised, the location of the shop isn't any more conveniently located than an Aldi, and it's nearly as big. Everything else is priced like a supermarket, as the poster above said. Mace, Centra etc are tiny and on busy streets so I expect to pay more there. I'm obviously not the only person who thinks Tesco is a dump, their market share has been dropping like a lead balloon.


  • #80
    rubadub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,387 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    Tarzana wrote: »
    Like you quoted above, they sell the higher profit margin items mostly but not anymore expensively than in their larger stores,
    The full quote
    Tesco Express stores are neighbourhood convenience stores averaging 200 square metres (2,200 sq ft), stocking mainly food with an emphasis on higher-margin products (due to small store size, and the necessity to maximise revenue per square foot) alongside everyday essentials. They are found in busy city centre districts, small shopping precincts in residential areas, small towns and villages and on Esso petrol station forecourts. The 1,000th Tesco Express site opened in July 2009. Tesco have now started building Tesco Express stores with only 'Assisted-Service' tills, in which the customer scans all their own shopping and packs it, with the support of supervising staff when required.

    In 2010, it emerged that Tesco were operating Express pricing; i.e., charging more in their Express branches than in their regular branches. A spokesperson said that this was "because of the difference in costs of running the smaller stores".


  • #81
    darkpagandeath
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    Amazing summer comes around and now I can pickup the regular 8 packs for €10 which begs the question, Why are we bing overcharged so much if they can still make a profit on selling them at €10 instead of the regular €16 odd


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