Jailed travellers need tuition in prison, report claims! - MOD NOTE IN FIRST POST

DenMan · 19-05-2014 03:05PM #1

I agree! It would be of tremendous benefit to them imo!

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/jailed-travellers-need-tuition-in-prison-report-claims-630965.html

MOD NOTE: Please think before you rant. If you just want to be racist, you'll be banned.

shruikan2553 · 19-05-2014 03:07PM

If only they had access to education outside of prison.

I should probably explain before people overreact. Everyone has access to education up to the leaving cert. If you choose not to take part then it is your own choice. It's a bit late to start this when they are already in prison.

toastedpickles · 19-05-2014 03:08PM

Culture...so on so forth yaddaa yadda

KTRIC · 19-05-2014 03:08PM

shruikan2553 wrote: »

If only they had access to education outside of prison.

You forgot the sarcasm tags

Jester252 · 19-05-2014 03:10PM

shruikan2553 wrote: »

If only they had access to education outside of prison.

Nice knowing you.

SEPT 23 1989 · 19-05-2014 03:20PM

How about they just obey the fcuking law like the majority of the rest of the country

humanji · 19-05-2014 03:22PM

Please think before you rant. If you just want to be racist, you'll be banned.

strobe · 19-05-2014 03:27PM

Its an entirely undisputed fact that prisoners with a low level of education that receive a level of education in prison have a lower recidivism rate than if they don't. There's plenty of data to back it up for anyone that cares to look. On the surface this should be the least controversial thing ever suggested ever, ever. I wonder if this thread will reflect that.

Turtyturd · 19-05-2014 03:29PM

Just the travellers???....such discrimination.

Little CuChulainn · 19-05-2014 03:30PM

shruikan2553 wrote: »

If only they had access to education outside of prison.

I should probably explain before people overreact. Everyone has access to education up to the leaving cert. If you choose not to take part then it is your own choice. It's a bit late to start this when they are already in prison.

In fairness though, it's up to parents to ensure their children are educated, it can't really be blamed on the children. When you were a kid would you have chosen to go to school every day?

I'm no fan of the traveller lifestyle but I still believe they should be given opportunities to join society. In fact I don't see why it should be limited to travellers.

Cee-Jay-Cee · 19-05-2014 03:30PM

Education is not part of their culture so I can't see them agreeing to it.

Muise... · 19-05-2014 03:31PM

shruikan2553 wrote: »

If only they had access to education outside of prison.

I should probably explain before people overreact. Everyone has access to education up to the leaving cert. If you choose not to take part then it is your own choice. It's a bit late to start this when they are already in prison.

Less choice in prison, so not too late at all. In fact, probably much more effective and rewarding for a captive audience.

Lapin · 19-05-2014 03:32PM

Is it just Travellers who are offered this tuition or is it open to scumbags from the settled community too?

Or is that a racist question?

whupdedo · 19-05-2014 03:32PM

I would think that absolutely everyone that goes into prison should be able to further their education, especially travellers as they seem to have the lowest school attendance rates of any section of society

Education equals a step up on the ladder of society, so yes I agree it is the way forward, but it probably would have to be made mandatory for the majority to comply with it

DenMan · 19-05-2014 03:33PM

In order to help them not re-offend they have to be given better opportunities to succeed! Travellers have barriers to education not just from the settled community but from within their own travelling community too!

end of the road · 19-05-2014 03:33PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

How about they just obey the fcuking law like the majority of the rest of the country

why should they bother as when they do they still get treated like crap anyway by some people, i don't blame them not bothering to be part of society TBH, when they don't people whine, and when they do people don't want to have anything to do with them yet still whine about how they refuse to be part of society, they can't win

19-05-2014 03:34PM

strobe wrote: »

Its an entirely undisputed fact that prisoners with a low level of education that receive a level of education in prison have a lower recidivism rate than if they don't. There's plenty of data to back it up for anyone that cares to look. On the surface this should be the least controversial thing ever suggested ever, ever. I wonder if this thread will reflect that.

You think they'll take a teacher seriously, do you? Do you understand the antipathy felt by the majority of travellers towards education? Perhaps if their kid's schooling was enforced for a change, we mightn't have so many of them ending up in prison in the first place.

All this will end up being is a huge waste of money, if it is implemented.

19-05-2014 03:34PM

DenMan wrote: »

Travellers have barriers to education not just from the settled community

???

Name one!

Little CuChulainn · 19-05-2014 03:36PM

Rojomcdojo wrote: »

???

Name one!

Their parents

19-05-2014 03:37PM

FearDark wrote: »

Are travellers a race?

Anyway shoudln't prisons be doing that anyway, ya know with everybody...It's supposedly "rehabilitation" right?

There are already a ton of educational supports in prison.

DenMan · 19-05-2014 03:40PM

Rojomcdojo wrote: »

???

Name one!

Barriers from within the travelling community itself. I'm doing a course with the VEC and one of the girls on it is a traveller herself. It's a very patriarchal society and she knew of women who were on training courses and doing very well but were asked to leave by the male head of the family.

drquirky · 19-05-2014 03:40PM

Not possible for Irish people to be racist towards other Irish people unless those Irish people are from another "race" of which Travellers most certainly aren't!

19-05-2014 03:43PM

DenMan wrote: »

Barriers from within the travelling community itself. I'm doing a course with the VEC and one of the girls on it is a traveller herself. It's a very patriarchal society and she knew of women who were on training courses and doing very well but were asked to leave by the male head of the family.

You said that travellers face "not just" barriers from the settled community - that is what I was referring to!

In fact, the truth is that the educational barriers faced by travellers come 100% from within their own community.

Maphisto · 19-05-2014 03:44PM

whupdedo wrote: »

I would think that absolutely everyone that goes into prison should be able to further their education, especially travellers as they seem to have the lowest school attendance rates of any section of society

Education equals a step up on the ladder of society, so yes I agree it is the way forward, but it probably would have to be made mandatory for the majority to comply with it

Makes total sense to me - if we're serious about recidivism (sp) and don't want prison to be a revolving door. It must make prison a much better place to be in.

I was a bit surprised to read in the report

One of the key recommendations to emerge from our research is for the Irish Prison Service to develop an equality policy

FFS these have been around for years but the prison service is going to develop one. Has all of this suddenly just happened or have they only just realised?

mikeym · 19-05-2014 03:45PM

Travellers are an ethnic minority not a race.

Just to politely point out.

upstairs for coffee · 19-05-2014 03:48PM

Why does the mod note say race? Irish Travellers are not a race.

D1stant · 19-05-2014 03:50PM

Lapin wrote: »

Is it just Travellers who are offered this tuition or is it open to scumbags from the settled community too?

Or is that a racist question?

There are plenty of decent people in prisons. Either jailed for a one-off random offence or some trivial thing. - There were over 400 people jailed last year for not paying the TV license for example.

humanji · 19-05-2014 03:50PM

It's sad that I have to point this out to many of you, but racism also counts against ethnicity. Please stick to the topic and stop arguing semantics.

Pinch Flat · 19-05-2014 03:51PM

mikeym wrote: »

Travellers are an ethnic minority not a race.

Just to politely point out.

Is it not just the UK (which includes NI) where the "ethnic minority" title is recognised? At the moment in ROI they're a minority group

tritium · 19-05-2014 03:51PM

Anyone in prison should have educational opportunities.

Pinch Flat · 19-05-2014 03:53PM

tritium wrote: »

Anyone in prison should have educational opportunities.

I agree. There are plenty of non travellers who are socially disadvantaged and equally uneducated that deserve a chance.

Jailed travellers need tuition in prison, report claims! - MOD NOTE IN FIRST POST

Comments