how long is considered unacceptable?

carzony · 19-05-2014 01:39AM #1

I know people are tired to these dole threads but it's been somthing i'v been thinking about lately.

These days many people are unemployed and many 'long term' unemployed. I finished school in 2011 and many of my school mates have spent anything from 2 years - 4 years unemployed. however, In general people I know seem to be 2 years on the dole.

I was wondering what do people consider an unacceptable amount of time to be spent unemployed?

Some say none but lets be realistic.

The Backwards Man · 19-05-2014 01:42AM

A day unemployed is unacceptable in my opinion.

I had to sign on for three months once while awaiting garda clearance, longest period of my life, and I have genuine sympathy foo anyone unemployed for any length of time that are actively seeking work.

WhiteWalls · 19-05-2014 01:44AM

months don't be long turning into years. in most cases a lot of people get work for cash and along with their dole they are bringing in a good wage. If your at nothing and genuinely looking for work then a year is a long time to be on it. However if your fiddling the system and don't want to get a job then 188e a week is a lot of money.

_Redzer_ · 19-05-2014 01:45AM

To be honest, if you're young and just out of school, 2 years should be your absolute maximum on the dole. By that point you should know if you want to go to college or go working. Even if you decide college isn't your thing, you should want to work purely because it's better money and would stop you going insane from not doing anything.

whirlpool · 19-05-2014 01:45AM

Unacceptable to who? What are you talking about? You talk about it as if it's a choice to be on the dole. People who choose to be on the dole don't care what other people find acceptable or not. People who are on the dole against their own will - why would you want to try to make them feel even worse by trying to benchmark an "acceptable" time span? Bizarre question.

jacksie66 · 19-05-2014 01:46AM

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The Backwards Man · 19-05-2014 01:47AM

WhiteWalls wrote: »

months don't be long turning into years. in most cases a lot of people get work for cash and along with their dole they are bringing in a good wage. If your at nothing and genuinely looking for work then a year is a long time to be on it. However if your fiddling the system and don't want to get a job then 188e a week is a lot of money.

1985 called, they want you and the DeLorean back, not many cash in hand jobs around these days.

carzony · 19-05-2014 01:47AM

I'v been on it for 4 years. in that time i'v attended and completed many courses plus a year in college so I don't considerer it that bad.

Sir Arthur Daley · 19-05-2014 01:48AM

jacksie66 wrote: »

Here we go, another bashing people on the dole thread..

Have you the popcorn ready yet?

_Redzer_ · 19-05-2014 01:48AM

carzony wrote: »

I'v been on it for 4 years. in that time i'v attended and completed many courses plus a year in college so I don't considerer it that bad.

How have you been on it 4 years if you finished school in 2011?

Rekop dog · 19-05-2014 01:48AM

carzony wrote: »

I'v been on it for 4 years. in that time i'v attended and completed many courses plus a year in college so I don't considerer it that bad.

That's pretty bad.

whirlpool · 19-05-2014 01:49AM

carzony wrote: »

I'v been on it for 4 years. in that time i'v attended and completed many courses plus a year in college so I don't considerer it that bad.

No good can come from the conversation you're trying to start. Only bad.

WhiteWalls · 19-05-2014 01:52AM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

1985 called, they want you and the DeLorean back, not many cash in hand jobs around these days.

I live in a rural area and a lot of the lads would get days here and there with farmers and builders. may only be2/3 days a week.between that and fixing cars and machinery and generally anything they can do to get a few bob. Silage starting up now as well now, just hope they have time to sign on

endacl · 19-05-2014 01:53AM

Dole should be a 'phase'. When it shifts to a 'state', it's been too long. Depends on individual circumstances I suppose.

Sir Arthur Daley · 19-05-2014 01:55AM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

1985 called, they want you and the DeLorean back, not many cash in hand jobs around these days.

The black economy is booming what are you talking about?

retroactive · 19-05-2014 01:56AM

WhiteWalls wrote: »

I live in a rural area and a lot of the lads would get days here and there with farmers and builders. may only be2/3 days a week.between that and fixing cars and machinery and generally anything they can do to get a few bob. Silage starting up now as well now, just hope they have time to sign on

Thank **** I live in Dublin.

PLL · 19-05-2014 01:56AM

I stayed at home with my daughter after she was born for 2 years, I nearly went insane. I love her dearly and cherish those memories but I needed a job after 2 years before my brain went to mush and I became agoraphobic. I went back to work March'13, started college in September'13 and have just finished there this week. Currently packing to move house and job hunting while looking after crazy 2 year old. Going back to college in September. I have never claimed dole though, as I've always worked other than time spent caring for my daughter or in college.

I also feel bad for those looking for work that can't find it, as I know how depressing it can be when you desperately want to go out and work and are struggling to find it. On the other hand, something I will never comprehend is those on the dole who are happy never working and doing fe*k all each day. Waste of a life, no goals for the future, nothing. They also complain about having no time to do anything and the state of the country. Lets just hope they don't get anyone pregnant or they're in for a real shock to the system.

Un Croissant · 19-05-2014 01:59AM

I left school at 19 and went straight to college for two years. Then became very ill and due to not getting disability allowance I went on to job seekers for a year and a half. Then went back to college but took another turn half way through the year. Now I'm back in college for the third time as medication is finally keeping me somewhat good. Genuinely worried that I'll be unemployable though considering the situation.

Dr. Zaius Dr. Zaius! · 19-05-2014 02:01AM

For those on the dole who want to work and are actively looking for work there is no amount of time that is 'unacceptable'

And for those one the dole who have no intention of working and are only after 'free money'....well that's just bad form.

porsche959 · 19-05-2014 02:08AM

carzony wrote: »

I know people are tired to these dole threads but it's been somthing i'v been thinking about lately.

These days many people are unemployed and many 'long term' unemployed. I finished school in 2011 and many of my school mates have spent anything from 2 years - 4 years unemployed. however, In general people I know seem to be 2 years on the dole.

I was wondering what do people consider an unacceptable amount of time to be spent unemployed?

Some say none but lets be realistic.

“Ne travaillez jamais”

https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/debord/

The Backwards Man · 19-05-2014 02:10AM

Sir Arthur Daley wrote: »

The black economy is booming what are you talking about?

I'm old enough to remember when the black economy was booming, women earning way above the average in Fruit of The Loom, men signing in the south and working in the north in places like Poleglass and Twinbrook where dolemen feared to tread. No one had a mortgage, a mortgage was something rich people had. No mobile phones, no sun holidays, no credit cards, no income tax, no VAT. Cash was king, and by fcuk was the king reigning. Night clubs were open seven nights a week, pigs and potatoes were booming, cattle were a bigger price than they are now, on a mart Monday the bar has six people serving from 7am! Band started a eight.

That was the era of the black economy, my boy. Anything today is just a drop in the ocean.

*looks back wistfully*

B.A._Baracus · 19-05-2014 02:12AM

It's rather a sign of the times I find.

Take now. Recession started in 2008 so it's not uncommon for a person to be long term unemployed. However, scoll back 10 years ago it would have been unusual for someone long termed unemployed, who is seemingly seeking work, to have not gained employment.

More jobs back then.
Less jobs now.

But being honest who cares what other people think?

endacl · 19-05-2014 02:14AM

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

But being honest who cares what other people think?

That couple who live next to the Jones's do.

porsche959 · 19-05-2014 02:17AM

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

But being honest who cares what other people think?

Peeps do though. I don't but some peeps do.

If someone comes up to me and goes "been on the dole for 40 years and I have a PHD, yes I screwed the system and won", I congratulate them on their achievement.

Now, if they die with a needle in their arm in some back alley, that's a different matter.

But in general, outwitting a system that is - very obviously - designed to screw the working and middle class, is, in general, a good thing I feel.

WhiteWalls · 19-05-2014 02:18AM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

I'm old enough to remember when the black economy was booming, women earning way above the average in Fruit of The Loom, men signing in the south and working in the north in places like Poleglass and Twinbrook where dolemen feared to tread. No one had a mortgage, a mortgage was something rich people had. No mobile phones, no sun holidays, no credit cards, no income tax, no VAT. Cash was king, and by fcuk was the king reigning. Night clubs were open seven nights a week, pigs and potatoes were booming, cattle were a bigger price than they are now, on a mart Monday the bar has six people serving from 7am! Band started a eight.

That was the era of the black economy, my boy. Anything today is just a drop in the ocean.

*looks back wistfully*

How long ago are you talking about?

Sir Arthur Daley · 19-05-2014 02:20AM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

That was the era of the black economy, my boy. Anything today is just a drop in the ocean.

*looks back wistfully*

The black economy may not be available to as many people today as of the era you poetically mentioned there but the ones who are availing of it now are enjoying it.

Wulfie · 19-05-2014 02:21AM

carzony wrote: »

I know people are tired to these dole threads but it's been somthing i'v been thinking about lately.

These days many people are unemployed and many 'long term' unemployed. I finished school in 2011 and many of my school mates have spent anything from 2 years - 4 years unemployed. however, In general people I know seem to be 2 years on the dole.

I was wondering what do people consider an unacceptable amount of time to be spent unemployed?

Some say none but lets be realistic.

I recently got back work after a considerable long mid life semi retirement.
I'm a fully qualified tradesman . I was being told by the media to go sit on my hole and learn a new skill or go on jobbridge .

Now that i have started and many more men, who are getting back to what we consider work . We are very unsure if this work is going to last .

FG & the other Lot , to be fair are getting us to build their schools . Looking after the builders , While providing plush new surroundings for those who work there.

School Men and School Women .

endacl · 19-05-2014 02:23AM

Wulfie wrote: »

FG & the other lot , to be fair are getting us to build their schools . Looking after the builders , While providing plush new surroundings for those who work there.

School Men and School Women .

Who do you expect to work in schools? Not entirely sure what your point is?

Norma_Desmond · 19-05-2014 02:25AM

I finished school in 2007, I went straight into college for 4 years, worked my whole way through and got a job after college but right now I can't find work so got a Canadian visa and will be trying my luck over there soon,
but a girl I went to school with went straight from school onto the dole and has been there ever since, that's 7 years and the girl has never held a job in her life, that's when it becomes a bit too extreme if you ask ne.

The Backwards Man · 19-05-2014 02:25AM

WhiteWalls wrote: »

How long ago are you talking about?

The eighties my boy.

I was a wee fella in short trousers mind you, but I remember it well.

When I was eleven to fourteen I was getting thirty punts a night for helping the lorry driver take the salmon to Dublin in the summertime. That was a black economy. Probably child slavery or something too, but what the fcuk did I care!

Wulfie · 19-05-2014 02:26AM

endacl wrote: »

Who do you expect to work in schools? Not entirely sure what your point is?

I probably started that post with a point. Its 2.26 am. The mind wanders .

how long is considered unacceptable?

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