how long is considered unacceptable?

carzony

I know people are tired to these dole threads but it's been somthing i'v been thinking about lately.

These days many people are unemployed and many 'long term' unemployed. I finished school in 2011 and many of my school mates have spent anything from 2 years - 4 years unemployed. however, In general people I know seem to be 2 years on the dole.

I was wondering what do people consider an unacceptable amount of time to be spent unemployed?

Some say none but lets be realistic.

The Backwards Man

A day unemployed is unacceptable in my opinion.

I had to sign on for three months once while awaiting garda clearance, longest period of my life, and I have genuine sympathy foo anyone unemployed for any length of time that are actively seeking work.

WhiteWalls

months don't be long turning into years. in most cases a lot of people get work for cash and along with their dole they are bringing in a good wage. If your at nothing and genuinely looking for work then a year is a long time to be on it. However if your fiddling the system and don't want to get a job then 188e a week is a lot of money.

_Redzer_

To be honest, if you're young and just out of school, 2 years should be your absolute maximum on the dole. By that point you should know if you want to go to college or go working. Even if you decide college isn't your thing, you should want to work purely because it's better money and would stop you going insane from not doing anything.

whirlpool

Unacceptable to who? What are you talking about? You talk about it as if it's a choice to be on the dole. People who choose to be on the dole don't care what other people find acceptable or not. People who are on the dole against their own will - why would you want to try to make them feel even worse by trying to benchmark an "acceptable" time span? Bizarre question.

jacksie66

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The Backwards Man

WhiteWalls wrote: »

months don't be long turning into years. in most cases a lot of people get work for cash and along with their dole they are bringing in a good wage. If your at nothing and genuinely looking for work then a year is a long time to be on it. However if your fiddling the system and don't want to get a job then 188e a week is a lot of money.

1985 called, they want you and the DeLorean back, not many cash in hand jobs around these days.

carzony

I'v been on it for 4 years. in that time i'v attended and completed many courses plus a year in college so I don't considerer it that bad.

Sir Arthur Daley

jacksie66 wrote: »

Here we go, another bashing people on the dole thread..

Have you the popcorn ready yet?

_Redzer_

carzony wrote: »

I'v been on it for 4 years. in that time i'v attended and completed many courses plus a year in college so I don't considerer it that bad.

How have you been on it 4 years if you finished school in 2011?

Rekop dog

carzony wrote: »

I'v been on it for 4 years. in that time i'v attended and completed many courses plus a year in college so I don't considerer it that bad.

That's pretty bad.

whirlpool

carzony wrote: »

I'v been on it for 4 years. in that time i'v attended and completed many courses plus a year in college so I don't considerer it that bad.

No good can come from the conversation you're trying to start. Only bad.

WhiteWalls

The Backwards Man wrote: »

1985 called, they want you and the DeLorean back, not many cash in hand jobs around these days.

I live in a rural area and a lot of the lads would get days here and there with farmers and builders. may only be2/3 days a week.between that and fixing cars and machinery and generally anything they can do to get a few bob. Silage starting up now as well now, just hope they have time to sign on

endacl

Dole should be a 'phase'. When it shifts to a 'state', it's been too long. Depends on individual circumstances I suppose.

Sir Arthur Daley

The Backwards Man wrote: »

1985 called, they want you and the DeLorean back, not many cash in hand jobs around these days.

The black economy is booming what are you talking about?

retroactive

WhiteWalls wrote: »

I live in a rural area and a lot of the lads would get days here and there with farmers and builders. may only be2/3 days a week.between that and fixing cars and machinery and generally anything they can do to get a few bob. Silage starting up now as well now, just hope they have time to sign on

Thank **** I live in Dublin.

PLL

I stayed at home with my daughter after she was born for 2 years, I nearly went insane. I love her dearly and cherish those memories but I needed a job after 2 years before my brain went to mush and I became agoraphobic. I went back to work March'13, started college in September'13 and have just finished there this week. Currently packing to move house and job hunting while looking after crazy 2 year old. Going back to college in September. I have never claimed dole though, as I've always worked other than time spent caring for my daughter or in college.

I also feel bad for those looking for work that can't find it, as I know how depressing it can be when you desperately want to go out and work and are struggling to find it. On the other hand, something I will never comprehend is those on the dole who are happy never working and doing fe*k all each day. Waste of a life, no goals for the future, nothing. They also complain about having no time to do anything and the state of the country. Lets just hope they don't get anyone pregnant or they're in for a real shock to the system.

Un Croissant

I left school at 19 and went straight to college for two years. Then became very ill and due to not getting disability allowance I went on to job seekers for a year and a half. Then went back to college but took another turn half way through the year. Now I'm back in college for the third time as medication is finally keeping me somewhat good. Genuinely worried that I'll be unemployable though considering the situation.

Dr. Zaius Dr. Zaius!

For those on the dole who want to work and are actively looking for work there is no amount of time that is 'unacceptable'

And for those one the dole who have no intention of working and are only after 'free money'....well that's just bad form.

porsche959

carzony wrote: »

I know people are tired to these dole threads but it's been somthing i'v been thinking about lately.

These days many people are unemployed and many 'long term' unemployed. I finished school in 2011 and many of my school mates have spent anything from 2 years - 4 years unemployed. however, In general people I know seem to be 2 years on the dole.

I was wondering what do people consider an unacceptable amount of time to be spent unemployed?

Some say none but lets be realistic.

“Ne travaillez jamais”

https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/debord/

The Backwards Man

Sir Arthur Daley wrote: »

The black economy is booming what are you talking about?

I'm old enough to remember when the black economy was booming, women earning way above the average in Fruit of The Loom, men signing in the south and working in the north in places like Poleglass and Twinbrook where dolemen feared to tread. No one had a mortgage, a mortgage was something rich people had. No mobile phones, no sun holidays, no credit cards, no income tax, no VAT. Cash was king, and by fcuk was the king reigning. Night clubs were open seven nights a week, pigs and potatoes were booming, cattle were a bigger price than they are now, on a mart Monday the bar has six people serving from 7am! Band started a eight.

That was the era of the black economy, my boy. Anything today is just a drop in the ocean.

*looks back wistfully*

B.A._Baracus

It's rather a sign of the times I find.

Take now. Recession started in 2008 so it's not uncommon for a person to be long term unemployed. However, scoll back 10 years ago it would have been unusual for someone long termed unemployed, who is seemingly seeking work, to have not gained employment.

More jobs back then.
Less jobs now.

But being honest who cares what other people think?

endacl

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

But being honest who cares what other people think?

That couple who live next to the Jones's do.

porsche959

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

But being honest who cares what other people think?

Peeps do though. I don't but some peeps do.

If someone comes up to me and goes "been on the dole for 40 years and I have a PHD, yes I screwed the system and won", I congratulate them on their achievement.

Now, if they die with a needle in their arm in some back alley, that's a different matter.

But in general, outwitting a system that is - very obviously - designed to screw the working and middle class, is, in general, a good thing I feel.

WhiteWalls

The Backwards Man wrote: »

I'm old enough to remember when the black economy was booming, women earning way above the average in Fruit of The Loom, men signing in the south and working in the north in places like Poleglass and Twinbrook where dolemen feared to tread. No one had a mortgage, a mortgage was something rich people had. No mobile phones, no sun holidays, no credit cards, no income tax, no VAT. Cash was king, and by fcuk was the king reigning. Night clubs were open seven nights a week, pigs and potatoes were booming, cattle were a bigger price than they are now, on a mart Monday the bar has six people serving from 7am! Band started a eight.

That was the era of the black economy, my boy. Anything today is just a drop in the ocean.

*looks back wistfully*

How long ago are you talking about?

Sir Arthur Daley

The Backwards Man wrote: »

That was the era of the black economy, my boy. Anything today is just a drop in the ocean.

*looks back wistfully*

The black economy may not be available to as many people today as of the era you poetically mentioned there but the ones who are availing of it now are enjoying it.

Wulfie

carzony wrote: »

I know people are tired to these dole threads but it's been somthing i'v been thinking about lately.

These days many people are unemployed and many 'long term' unemployed. I finished school in 2011 and many of my school mates have spent anything from 2 years - 4 years unemployed. however, In general people I know seem to be 2 years on the dole.

I was wondering what do people consider an unacceptable amount of time to be spent unemployed?

Some say none but lets be realistic.

I recently got back work after a considerable long mid life semi retirement.
I'm a fully qualified tradesman . I was being told by the media to go sit on my hole and learn a new skill or go on jobbridge .

Now that i have started and many more men, who are getting back to what we consider work . We are very unsure if this work is going to last .

FG & the other Lot , to be fair are getting us to build their schools . Looking after the builders , While providing plush new surroundings for those who work there.

School Men and School Women .

endacl

Wulfie wrote: »

FG & the other lot , to be fair are getting us to build their schools . Looking after the builders , While providing plush new surroundings for those who work there.

School Men and School Women .

Who do you expect to work in schools? Not entirely sure what your point is?

Norma_Desmond

I finished school in 2007, I went straight into college for 4 years, worked my whole way through and got a job after college but right now I can't find work so got a Canadian visa and will be trying my luck over there soon,
but a girl I went to school with went straight from school onto the dole and has been there ever since, that's 7 years and the girl has never held a job in her life, that's when it becomes a bit too extreme if you ask ne.

The Backwards Man

WhiteWalls wrote: »

How long ago are you talking about?

The eighties my boy.

I was a wee fella in short trousers mind you, but I remember it well.

When I was eleven to fourteen I was getting thirty punts a night for helping the lorry driver take the salmon to Dublin in the summertime. That was a black economy. Probably child slavery or something too, but what the fcuk did I care!

Wulfie

endacl wrote: »

Who do you expect to work in schools? Not entirely sure what your point is?

I probably started that post with a point. Its 2.26 am. The mind wanders .

WhiteWalls

The Backwards Man wrote: »

The eighties my boy.

I was a wee fella in short trousers mind you, but I remember it well.

When I was eleven to fourteen I was getting thirty punts a night for helping the lorry driver take the salmon to Dublin in the summertime. That was a black economy. Probably child slavery or something too, but what the fcuk did I care!

I thought the 80's were full of hardship and misery? And you only a cut of a gason in short trousers and not even an arse in them

Sir Arthur Daley

The Backwards Man wrote: »

The eighties my boy.

I was a wee fella in short trousers mind you, but I remember it well.

When I was eleven to fourteen I was getting thirty punts a night for helping the lorry driver take the salmon to Dublin in the summertime. That was a black economy. Probably child slavery or something too, but what the fcuk did I care!

30 punts a night in the 80s as a young lad, you lost all credibility there with that one.

AlwaysAnyTime

Anything over 5 years I think is a sign of serious problems. Not necessarily with the unemployed person, (although there are probably people screwing the system that length of time) but with an economy in such a dire state that people can go half a decade without finding a single job.

KyussBishop

How long is it acceptable? As long as there are not enough jobs. That's how long it is acceptable.

The Backwards Man

WhiteWalls wrote: »

I thought the 80's were full of hardship and misery? And you only a cut of a gason in short trousers and not even an arse in them

And where else does a black economy flourish but in the darkest depths of despair, hardship and misery?


There's a big difference between not having any money and not being able to show you had any money.

The Backwards Man

Sir Arthur Daley wrote: »

30 punts a night in the 80s as a young lad, you lost all credibility there with that one.

Just the facts ma'am, just the facts.

And this would have been late eighties, early nineties, me being still a young pup and all.

WhiteWalls

The Backwards Man wrote: »

And where else does a black economy flourish but in the darkest depths of despair, hardship and misery?


There's a big difference between not having any money and not being able to show you had any money.

say you would be a good man for a story and a pint

Sir Arthur Daley

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Just the facts ma'am, just the facts.

And this would have been late eighties, early nineties, me being still a young pup and all.

Lets call a spade a spade here, the early 90s are not the 80s, are you seriously trying to amuse us that in the late 80s you were getting 30 pounds a day as a kid?
If you were on 30 pounds what was the lorry driver on?

RayM

It's interesting that threads like this very rarely popped up during the Celtic Tiger years.

endacl

Sir Arthur Daley wrote: »

30 punts a night in the 80s as a young lad, you lost all credibility there with that one.

Punts....

Rhymes with 'politicians'...

Czarcasm

Sir Arthur Daley wrote: »

Lets call a spade a spade here, the early 90s are not the 80s, are you seriously trying to amuse us that in the late 80s you were getting 30 pounds a day as a kid?
If you were on 30 pounds what was the lorry driver on?

£30 a run isn't unrealistic. Lorry drivers would've been on about £400 a week, more if you were a continental driver. Nowadays they're on fcukall only work where they can get it sub-contracting from larger freight companies.

The black economy now though is nothing like it was back in the 80's because back then there was fcukall by way of regulations.

endacl

Czarcasm wrote: »

£30 a run isn't unrealistic. Lorry drivers would've been on about £400 a week, more if you were a continental driver. Nowadays they're on fcukall only work where they can get it sub-contracting from larger freight companies.

The black economy now though is nothing like it was back in the 80's because back then there was fcukall by way of regulations.

And tax/income details were on paper. Lots and lots of paper...

Sir Arthur Daley

Czarcasm wrote: »

Lorry drivers would've been on about £400 a week, more if you were a continental driver.

The average industrial wage in the late 80s was around 8k, break it down would be 150 pound per week, there is a black ecomony and imagination land economy are you seriously telling me a lorry driver was earning close to 3 times the average wage?

Czarcasm

Sir Arthur Daley wrote: »

The average industrial wage in the late 80s was around 8k, break it down would be 150 pound per week, there is a black ecomony and imagination land economy are you seriously telling me a lorry driver was earning close to 3 times the average wage?

Well I guess you're not going to be convinced but yes, there was quite a few of them on that sort of money, and then at the weekends they'd do taxi driving (you remember hackneys before the plates came in?), and that was the time too when they could afford to drink 15 pints in the pub, go home and sleep it off, get up the next morning and drive 300 miles around the country stopping off in Mother Hubbards for the breakfast - a big fry, or Toughers for the dinner - a big fcuk off steak!

Can't do so much as take a piss now without it needing to be recorded on the tachometer!

kneemos

Sir Arthur Daley wrote: »

Lets call a spade a spade here, the early 90s are not the 80s, are you seriously trying to amuse us that in the late 80s you were getting 30 pounds a day as a kid?
If you were on 30 pounds what was the lorry driver on?

I heard a couple of stories of lads getting ridiculous amounts of money for little more than sitting in a lorry.
I spent about fourteen hours one time helping with deliveries down around Cork and Kerry and had aches and pains for three days afterwards,not from the work but from sitting.Maybe there's a reason they employ young fellas.

The Backwards Man

Sir Arthur Daley wrote: »

Lets call a spade a spade here, the early 90s are not the 80s, are you seriously trying to amuse us that in the late 80s you were getting 30 pounds a day as a kid?
If you were on 30 pounds what was the lorry driver on?

Sixty. He didn't need as much because he was getting the dole as well.

Seriously though, that was the way it was back then.

If it makes you feel any better, in the mid nineties, when I was seventeen, I was a paving labourer for a subbie on the old Carroll's factory in Dundalk, commuting from north Donegal every day, for fourteen punts a day.

The One Doctor

To be fair, things are looking up with the job situation, but there's so many people unemployed that the new jobs are being snapped up almost instantly - I've applied for lots of jobs over the past few months and the vast majority of companies haven't even responded despite me having lots of experience and a job.

NZ_2014

One year max, then you should be given an emigration grant, worth a years dole... you would not allowed back in the country/claim dole for a year. :pac:

jimgoose

Six months, Herr Oberst. After zat, you vill be presented vith a Luger vith one round in ze chamber. Good-bye.

hatrickpatrick

Assumed the thread title referred to willies.