Manchester United Superthread 2014 mod warning #8081

Cantona's Collars · 18-05-2014 02:38PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Looks like United have signed Miley Cyrus, she has been pictured in a United shirt...
In defense apparently...she will take out the threats with her wrecking ball.

irishfeen · 18-05-2014 02:41PM

zerks wrote: »

I just don't get the big deal about her at all - average at best.

Son Of A Vidic · 18-05-2014 02:50PM

zerks wrote: »

Does anybody get the feeling United are waiting to see if Ancelotti will be told he's gone from Madrid? If there's no unveiling of LVG this week then there's something up.

I really hope not. I think LVG is just the perfect tonic for this team.

glued · 18-05-2014 02:59PM

There are only three sources I would believe about Manchester United and Rumours; Jamie Jackson - The Guardian, Mark Ogden - The Telegraph and the BBC. Anything coming out of the rest of the staff at The Guardian, The Telegraph, The Times (mixed bag tbf), The Sun, The Star, Daily Mail, Metro, Daily Express, The Independent, ESPN, Sky Sports, GOAL, Bleacher Report, The Daily Mirror, MEN etc.

For example look at Sky Sports. When you see the yellow tag appeared at the bottom of the screen and you see "SKY Sources understand..." That means that they're using information they've sourced, usually from Twitter, and are crediting it as their own source.

There is no point in posting a rumour from the Sun and their ilk. They have NO insight into United. During Ferguson's reign at United there would only be two people at the club who knew anything about transfers; Ferguson and the Chief Executive who would have to make the call and negotiate the deal. After a deal has been reached then obviously more people come involved but the club rarely leaked deals at an early point unless Ferguson wanted to give guys like Bob Cass a story to print. I believe Daniel Taylor had a source at United at one stage but he was banned from Old Trafford and I'm guessing the club knew he had somebody telling him bits of information, apparently Ferguson was looking to ban him long before the book.

David Moyes' transfers got linked to the media but I'm guessing that he or somebody close to him was providing that information. Some even suggested that he provided the information himself to close friends in the media. Obviously sources change over time but Ogden and Jackson are the only real people who have information and they pay for that privilege. The BBC will mostly only report on facts. The rest are just guessing and even guys like Andy Mitten and Miguel Delaney are notoriously feeding off second hand information.

Player|Team|Jackson|Ogden|BBC
Toni Kroos|Bayern Munchen|Yes|Yes|No
Marco Reus|Borussia Dortmund|No|Yes|No
Luke Shaw|Southampton|Yes|Yes|Yes
Arjen Robben|Bayern Munchen|Yes|Yes|No
Mats Hummels|Borussia Dortmund|Yes|Yes|No
Edison Cavani|Paris Saint Germain|No|Yes|No
Eliaquim Mangala|FC Porto|No|Yes|No
Cesc Fabregas|Barcelona|No|Yes|No
Thomas Muller|Bayern Munchen|No|Yes|No
William Carvalho|Sporting CP|No|Yes|NoThat table is based on the most up-to-date rumours. So, if previously, Jackson said that United are in for Cavani but hasn't reported it in 4 weeks then it's deemed to not be a current rumour.

What are they saying?

Jamie Jackson is saying that we've £150 Million to spend this summer if they right targets are there. The main focus is a central defender, left back and a central midfielder.

Mark Ogden is saying the same but that we want two energetic, creative midfielders and we want to conclude most, if not all, of our business before the world cup.

Cantona's Collars · 18-05-2014 03:03PM

Bob Cass is usually on the ball when it comes to United,if the club (Fergie) wanted something 'leaked' he was the go to guy.

mitosis · 18-05-2014 03:06PM

Deiseboy01 wrote: »

Load of crap I'd say. We never sell players to our domestic rivals.

Also a load of crap

Mitch Connor · 18-05-2014 03:07PM

glued wrote: »

There are only three sources I would believe about Manchester United and Rumours; Jamie Jackson - The Guardian, Mark Ogden - The Telegraph and the BBC. Anything coming out of the rest of the staff at The Guardian, The Telegraph, The Times (mixed bag tbf), The Sun, The Star, Daily Mail, Metro, Daily Express, The Independent, ESPN, Sky Sports, GOAL, Bleacher Report, The Daily Mirror, MEN etc.

For example look at Sky Sports. When you see the yellow tag appeared at the bottom of the screen and you see "SKY Sources understand..." That means that they're using information they've sourced, usually from Twitter, and are crediting it as their own source.

There is no point in posting a rumour from the Sun and their ilk. They have NO insight into United. During Ferguson's reign at United there would only be two people at the club who knew anything about transfers; Ferguson and the Chief Executive who would have to make the call and negotiate the deal. After a deal has been reached then obviously more people come involved but the club rarely leaked deals at an early point unless Ferguson wanted to give guys like Bob Cass a story to print. I believe Daniel Taylor had a source at United at one stage but he was banned from Old Trafford and I'm guessing the club knew he had somebody telling him bits of information, apparently Ferguson was looking to ban him long before the book.

David Moyes' transfers got linked to the media but I'm guessing that he or somebody close to him was providing that information. Some even suggested that he provided the information himself to close friends in the media. Obviously sources change over time but Ogden and Jackson are the only real people who have information and they pay for that privilege. The BBC will mostly only report on facts. The rest are just guessing and even guys like Andy Mitten and Miguel Delaney are notoriously feeding off second hand information.

Player|Team|Jackson|Ogden|BBC
Toni Kroos|Bayern Munchen|Yes|Yes|No
Marco Reus|Borussia Dortmund|No|Yes|No
Luke Shaw|Southampton|Yes|Yes|Yes
Arjen Robben|Bayern Munchen|Yes|Yes|No
Mats Hummels|Borussia Dortmund|Yes|Yes|No
Edison Cavani|Paris Saint Germain|No|Yes|No
Eliaquim Mangala|FC Porto|No|Yes|No
Cesc Fabregas|Barcelona|No|Yes|No
Thomas Muller|Bayern Munchen|No|Yes|No
William Carvalho|Sporting CP|No|Yes|NoThat table is based on the most up-to-date rumours. So, if previously, Jackson said that United are in for Cavani but hasn't reported it in 4 weeks then it's deemed to not be a current rumour.

What are they saying?

Jamie Jackson is saying that we've £150 Million to spend this summer if they right targets are there. The main focus is a central defender, left back and a central midfielder.

Mark Ogden is saying the same but that we want two energetic, creative midfielders and we want to conclude most, if not all, of our business before the world cup.

Jackson is not a great one for United.

Daniel Taylor is probably the best.

Ian ladyman is another very good journo for United stuff.

Your comments on Sky are populist BS too, imo.

glued · 18-05-2014 03:11PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Jackson is not a great one for United.

Daniel Taylor is probably the best.

Ian ladyman is another very good journo for United stuff.

Your comments on Sky are populist BS too, imo.

It's all subjective but Daniel Taylor doesn't get as much information on United as Jackson does.

Ian Ladyman, meh.

Sky sources is actually true. Believe it or not but they take most of their stories from other journalists and credit it as 'Sky Sources'. I'm surprised there are still people that are dim enough to believe that.

Next you'll tell me that Miguel Delaney is an insider at United :pac:

Will I Amnt · 18-05-2014 03:13PM

mitosis wrote: »

Also a load of crap

In recent times, when have United sold players to teams that were considered a rival at the time of sale?

Silvestre is all I can think of and he wasn't exactly first choice at the time.

Blatter · 18-05-2014 03:15PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Jackson is not a great one for United.

Daniel Taylor is probably the best.

Ian ladyman is another very good journo for United stuff.

Your comments on Sky are populist BS too, imo.

Ogden is wildly overrated too IMO.

His reputation was boosted dramatically after being the first journalist to put his name to the Fergie retirement stories. The truth was the rumour was spreading like wildfire on twitter beforehand, the info was aready out there before he wrote about it. I remmeber a few journalists the next day were a bit miffed as to why Ogden was getting so much credit for being some sort of special insider.

I'd guess Jackson probably gets most of his good stuff from Daniel Taylor and adds his own stuff in, which isn't as good.

Mitch Connor · 18-05-2014 03:15PM

gIued wrote: »

It's all subjective but Daniel Taylor doesn't get as much information on United as Jackson does.

Ian Ladyman, meh.

Sky sources is actually true. Believe it or not but they take most of their stories from other journalists and credit it as 'Sky Sources'. I'm surprised there are still people that are dim enough to believe that.

Next you'll tell me that Miguel Delaney is an insider at United :pac:

No, Jackson WRITES. more on United, Taylor is far more likely to be writing something true.

When you get ladyman, Taylor and ducker are singing from the same sheet its very likely to have been confirmed with Woodward, or what he has told them.

glued · 18-05-2014 03:21PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

No, Jackson WRITES. more on United, Taylor is far more likely to be writing something true.

When you get ladyman, Taylor and ducker are singing from the same sheet its very likely to have been confirmed with Woodward, or what he has told them.

I suppose you could say that. I don't really read much of Ducker's stuff but he hasn't really reported much in a while. Ogden certainly knew very little before but overnight seems to have a lot of correct information and was first on the Moyes story.

People place too much heed in sources of the past. Jackson and Ogden have all the current information IMO.

sigmundv · 18-05-2014 03:21PM

glued wrote: »

Player|Team|Jackson|Ogden|BBC
Toni Kroos|Bayern Munchen|Yes|Yes|No
Marco Reus|Borussia Dortmund|No|Yes|No
Luke Shaw|Southampton|Yes|Yes|Yes
Arjen Robben|Bayern Munchen|Yes|Yes|No
Mats Hummels|Borussia Dortmund|Yes|Yes|No
Edison Cavani|Paris Saint Germain|No|Yes|No
Eliaquim Mangala|FC Porto|No|Yes|No
Cesc Fabregas|Barcelona|No|Yes|No
Thomas Muller|Bayern Munchen|No|Yes|No
William Carvalho|Sporting CP|No|Yes|No

That's a good way to present it, glued. You get a clear overview of the rumours. Thank you. I agree that it is not worth reporting rumours from The Sun, The Express, The Mirror and websites like Goal and BleacherReport.

Cantona's Collars · 18-05-2014 03:22PM

Good article here about Van Gaal & last nights game.Last paragraph is interesting about Valencia being a completely different player to the one we saw at United for the past 2 seasons.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/managers/louis-van-gaal/10839023/Five-key-differences-Louis-van-Gaal-will-make-as-Manchester-United-manager.html

sigmundv · 18-05-2014 03:26PM

I don't know where to stand when it comes to the different journalists. The only sure thing is that when all the serious ones agree the story is most likely true. There definitely seems to be more leaking now than during the Fergie years.

glued · 18-05-2014 03:26PM

So are people doubting Ogden and Jackson on anything other than idle speculation. I'd agree that they write the most on United but that's not a bad thing either. I get the critique though.

If we could build up a list of decent reporters and only post rumours from there that would be great. I hate reading stuff from Goal and the likes.

glued · 18-05-2014 03:28PM

sigmundv wrote: »

I don't know where to stand when it comes to the different journalists. The only sure thing is that when all the serious ones agree the story is most likely true. There definitely seems to be more leaking now than during the Fergie years.

Well if you take who's reported to a decent standard on United then you'd have:

Daniel Taylor - The Guardian
Jamie Jackson - The Guardian
Mark Ogden - The Telegraph
Ian Ladyman - The Daily Mail
James Ducker - The Times
BBC

Is anyone from MEN reliable?

sigmundv · 18-05-2014 03:29PM

glued wrote: »

So are people doubting Ogden and Jackson on anything other than idle speculation.

I don't doubt Ogden. He has a good source within the club. I don't know much about Jackson, though.

sigmundv · 18-05-2014 03:32PM

glued wrote: »

Well if you take who's reported to a decent standard on United then you'd have:

Daniel Taylor - The Guardian
Jamie Jackson - The Guardian
Mark Ogden - The Telegraph
Ian Ladyman - The Daily Mail
James Ducker - The Times
BBC

Is anyone from MEN reliable?

I would agree with that list. MEN I don't regard particularly highly. I know they're a local paper, but I don't see them being more ITK than the other journalists mentioned.

GSPfan · 18-05-2014 03:49PM

We now need a spread sheet to tell us which posters on boards trust which sources, so that we can work out the spread sheet of transfer rumours from trusted sources.

Confusing. Just believe the official website when they confirm the signing.

RobertKK · 18-05-2014 03:59PM

zerks wrote: »

Good article here about Van Gaal & last nights game.Last paragraph is interesting about Valencia being a completely different player to the one we saw at United for the past 2 seasons.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/managers/louis-van-gaal/10839023/Five-key-differences-Louis-van-Gaal-will-make-as-Manchester-United-manager.html

Interesting alright.

he was impressive against the Dutch, showing pace, power and even an ability to dictate the game from a central position for his country.

Valencia playing in a central position and those positive comments....

Cantona's Collars · 18-05-2014 04:04PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Interesting alright.

Valencia playing in a central position and those positive comments....

Sideways and backwards passes have been the mainstay of our midfield for nigh on 2 seasons,Valencia was brilliant at that on the wing.He'd slot into centre mid seamlessly.:P

homerjay2005 · 18-05-2014 04:43PM

mitosis wrote: »

Also a load of crap

go on then, rattle off a list of players we have sold to our domestic rivals in the last 5-10 years?

irishfeen · 18-05-2014 05:01PM

RVP having a BBQ with Patrick Kluivert today - I wonder will United be discussed?

The_Kew_Tour · 18-05-2014 05:06PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

go on then, rattle off a list of players we have sold to our domestic rivals in the last 5-10 years?

+1

I'm trying to think of more then a few and thinking which ones

adox · 18-05-2014 05:08PM

People can report whatever stories or rumours they want, form whatever source.
It's up to the reader to believe it or not.

It's a bollix idea to only allow stories from certain posters ideas of reliable journalists m

homerjay2005 · 18-05-2014 05:09PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

+1

I'm trying to think of more then a few and thinking which ones

weve sold Silvestre to Arsenal about 7 years ago and that ended up being a fantastic move for us.

apart from that, i cant think of anymore.

GSPfan · 18-05-2014 05:11PM

Veron to Chelsea.

tallaghtmick · 18-05-2014 05:12PM

GSPfan wrote: »

Veron to Chelsea.

Was thinking that myself, we tend to sell to Real Madrid thats it :pac:

GSPfan · 18-05-2014 05:14PM

tallaghtmick wrote: »

Was thinking that myself, we tend to sell to Real Madrid thats it :pac:

Ha yeah. Or else they retire at the club. We really dont let many players go that are worth any rival club buying.

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