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Ireland’s Nine Eleven

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  • #32
    Yamanoto
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,489 ✭✭✭Yamanoto


    Trigger Happy wrote: »
    it is not even in the top worst Irish atrocities.

    You should pitch that idea to TV3


  • #33
    William F
    Closed Accounts Posts: 473 ✭✭William F


    upyores wrote: »
    One of so many atrocities, Bloody Sunday, Kingsmills, The Le Mon, Omagh, the list seems endless.
    Perhaps both countries need a shared memorial day to remember all the victims.

    Ah no. There is no correlation between what happened in the north and what happened in the south. The attacks you mentioned were a reaction to unpopular Unionist/British policies.

    The south had no part to play in what was happening north of the border yet it was bombed to bits for no reason.
    Wabbit Ears wrote: »
    To call this Irelands 9/11 is retarded beyond comprehension. 9/11 changed the lives of practically eveybody in the western world in some way. Its not aout the act itself or the numbers that died, it was a ground breaking event that had never happened before in the US on that scale.

    The thing that rubs people up here the most is

    not that it was carried out with the assistance of British intelligence

    not that it was covered up by the British and Irish Governments

    not that it was Ireland's greatest loss of life during the troubles

    but because it is compared with 9/11.

    That is what I consider retarded beyond comprehension.


  • #34
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    Did the atrocities listed not take place in Ireland...........


  • #35
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,443 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Pocoyo wrote: »
    To question a poster who as it turns out lost a family member in this tragedy was utterly uncalled for

    Actually, it was quite reasonable, based on the content of the opening. The op could have easily included that nugget in his first post. It would have considerably altered the context.

    The same question occurred to me. It wouldn't have if the op had simply included the family involvement. His post would have made sense then, although it must be pointed out, he didn't know the cousin either. I have family who died before I was born. They're very much part of our family story but I don't feel any personal sense of loss. I never knew them.


  • #36
    Pocoyo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Pocoyo


    upyores wrote: »
    I would have thought that the title of most infamous undoubtedly falls on Omagh.
    Either way every act of violence, regardless of who perpetrated it, was a huge personal tragedy for some family and community.

    Omaghs not in the irish republic. :confused:


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  • #37
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    Pocoyo wrote: »
    Omaghs not in the irish republic. :confused:

    Except the thread title refers to Ireland......not the Irish Republic


  • #38
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,443 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Pocoyo wrote: »
    Omaghs not in the irish republic. :confused:
    Jawgap wrote: »
    Except the thread title refers to Ireland......not the Irish Republic

    Here we go!

    :D


  • #39
    Pocoyo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Pocoyo


    Jawgap wrote: »
    Except the thread title refers to Ireland......not the Irish Republic

    Except i referred to the irish republic in the post quoted...you lose. :D


  • #40
    Reformed Character
    Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Reformed Character


    Pocoyo wrote: »
    Omaghs not in the irish republic. :confused:

    Omaghs doesn't exist!
    Omagh however is in Ireland and I kept seeing claims about Ireland.
    The point is that all attacks, regardless of who carried them out, had horrific effects on the victims family/ies and the victims community/ies.
    Surely the best way to to pay respect to all the victims is to have a joint day of remembrance for all victims in both states.


  • #41
    Reformed Character
    Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Reformed Character


    Pocoyo wrote: »
    Except i referred to the irish republic in the post quoted...you lose. :D

    There is no such place as the Irish Republic.


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  • #42
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    upyores wrote: »
    There is no such place as the Irish Republic.
    Sure there is you're living in it.

    It's not called that officially of course but officially hoovers are called vacuums.


  • #43
    Pocoyo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Pocoyo


    upyores wrote: »
    There is no such place as the Irish Republic.

    Dont direct posts at me again please,cheers.


  • #44
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    whupdedo wrote: »
    The world's economy is far bigger than the western (American) interests

    It doesn't imply anything, it just means bigger atrocities in the western world are more important than the bombing of iraqi villages by western drones all in the name of oil
    That's extremely off topic, let's not go down that road.


  • #45
    osarusan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,059 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    William F wrote: »

    I was fortunate enough to grow up when the troubles were coming to an end and thankfully don’t remember much of the incidents apart from the Loughlingisland Massacre.
    ?
    You don't remember Omagh, which happened 4 years later?

    If 9-11 can be looked at from the point of view of the impact which it, or its aftermath, had on the way terrorism was dealt with, then Omagh is probably the closest comparison.


  • #46
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    Pocoyo wrote: »
    Except i referred to the irish republic in the post quoted...you lose. :D


    .......but your first contribution to this thread referenced the Irish 'nation' not the state.......
    Pocoyo wrote: »
    Please have some respect we as a nation were victims of this crime and i genuinely have no idea why you would question a poster commemorating a national tragedy?? :rolleyes:


  • #47
    William F
    Closed Accounts Posts: 473 ✭✭William F


    Jawgap wrote: »
    Hang on, it was a terrible series of events, and my sympathies go out to all affected by it, including the OP, but the OP never knew the family member. It happened before the OP was born?
    endacl wrote: »
    His post would have made sense then, although it must be pointed out, he didn't know the cousin either. I have family who died before I was born. They're very much part of our family story but I don't feel any personal sense of loss. I never knew them.
    upyores wrote: »
    Omaghs doesn't exist!

    I think Ireland is infected with a great illness, it's called British Rule. The fact that the majority of posters can come on here and play down what happened in 1974, is a disgrace.


  • #48
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    osarusan wrote: »
    You don't remember Omagh, which happened 4 years later?

    If 9-11 can be looked at from the point of view of the impact which it, or its aftermath, had on the way terrorism was dealt with, then Omagh is probably the closest comparison.


    this is 100% true...it killed/stopped dissident republicans in there tracks...a serious grade A fcuk up...no defending it (though there is a photo that raises serious questions- a story for another day)
    killed there efforts to wreak npeace to such an extent that it left them with no hope of ever getting going again...who would shelter/help/be associated with them after they bombing a town in which they had certain levels of support (did they ever apoligize??)


  • #49
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    endacl wrote: »
    Here we go!

    :D

    No, that was just the warm up.........now we're definitely off........
    William F wrote: »
    I think Ireland is infected with a great illness, it's called British Rule. The fact that the majority of posters can come on here and play down what happened in 1974 goes to show this.


    Think I'll take my hurl and go watch from the ditch.......


  • #50
    Pocoyo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Pocoyo


    I said.

    ''I believe its because 9/11 is the most infamous terrorist attack in history,Just as the bombings the OP is referring to are the most infamous in the irish republics history.''

    He said.
    ''I would have thought that the title of most infamous undoubtedly falls on Omagh.
    Either way every act of violence, regardless of who perpetrated it, was a huge personal tragedy for some family and community.
    upyores is online now Report Post ''

    Now talk about the tragedy after all thats what this thread is about.


  • #51
    meathstevie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,778 ✭✭✭meathstevie


    William F wrote: »
    Ah no. There is no correlation between what happened in the north and what happened in the south. The attacks you mentioned were a reaction to unpopular Unionist/British policies.

    The south had no part to play in what was happening north of the border yet it was bombed to bits for no reason.



    The thing that rubs people up here the most is

    not that it was carried out with the assistance of British intelligence

    not that it was covered up by the British and Irish Governments

    not that it was Ireland's greatest loss of life during the troubles

    but because it is compared with 9/11.

    That is what I consider retarded beyond comprehension.

    You might be a little bit black and white here, even from a purely constitutional point of view the Republic of Ireland had in involvement and at least an indirect role in what became known as the Troubles through claiming the territory of Northern Ireland. The constitutional articles stating this claim were removed as part of the Good Friday Agreement.

    Since the formation of the Free State and Northern Ireland in the 1920's it has been a Loyalist/Unionist perception ( and sometimes maybe not completely incorrect ) that the "South" was the enemy at the gates looking to overthrow the state and annex "their" country.

    That attitude by the way explains the reaction of violence and repression that the then Stormont Government deployed against the Civil Rights movement in the late 1960's. The Civil Rights movement by the way didn't at the start concern itself with issues of nationality or souvereignty but wanted an end to the Northern Ireland version of Apartheid or Segregation.

    We all know how things escalated and got worse from then now wind forward a couple of years and the conflict is bogged down in vicious tit for tat sectarian bestiality, regular contacts with casualties on all sides between Republicans, Army and RUC. The Loyalists at that stage aren't much more than a bunch of blundering sectarian murderers who couldn't stage any significant "operation" under their own steam but the perception that the "South" is the enemy and gives at least sanctuary to the IRA is stronger than ever.

    It's against that backdrop that you have to look at the Dublin and Monaghan bombings. Loyalists, with or without support from the security services, bringing the conflict home to what they perceived as the IRA's sanctuary.

    If the then Dublin government covered up anything I believe there could have been only one genuine reason; to prevent worse. You have to remember it was a time of volatile public emotion and making any findings indicating Army or RUC involvement was only going to do one thing; push the conflict even further down the road of a full blown civil war from which the Republic of Ireland would not have had much of an option of standing back which would not have been Operation Armagedon but Operation Hopeless.


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  • #52
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    Pocoyo wrote: »
    I said.

    ''I believe its because 9/11 is the most infamous terrorist attack in history,Just as the bombings the OP is referring to are the most infamous in the irish republics history.''

    He said.
    ''I would have thought that the title of most infamous undoubtedly falls on Omagh.
    Either way every act of violence, regardless of who perpetrated it, was a huge personal tragedy for some family and community.
    upyores is online now Report Post ''

    Now talk about the tragedy after all thats what this thread is about.

    Yes, Mammy........


  • #53
    William F
    Closed Accounts Posts: 473 ✭✭William F


    Pocoyo wrote: »
    Now talk about the tragedy after all thats what this thread is about.

    You have certain posters here on boards.ie who follow the same protocol anytime a thread emerges implicating Britain in state terrorism.

    It's very hard to believe these people are Irish when they go as far as defending the Dublin and Monaghan Bombings.


  • #54
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    meathstevie wrote: »
    You might be a little bit black and white here, even from a purely constitutional point of view the Republic of Ireland had in involvement and at least an indirect role in what became known as the Troubles through claiming the territory of Northern Ireland. The constitutional articles stating this claim were removed as part of the Good Friday Agreement.

    Since the formation of the Free State and Northern Ireland in the 1920's it has been a Loyalist/Unionist perception ( and sometimes maybe not completely incorrect ) that the "South" was the enemy at the gates looking to overthrow the state and annex "their" country.

    That attitude by the way explains the reaction of violence and repression that the then Stormont Government deployed against the Civil Rights movement in the late 1960's. The Civil Rights movement by the way didn't at the start concern itself with issues of nationality or souvereignty but wanted an end to the Northern Ireland version of Apartheid or Segregation.

    We all know how things escalated and got worse from then now wind forward a couple of years and the conflict is bogged down in vicious tit for tat sectarian bestiality, regular contacts with casualties on all sides between Republicans, Army and RUC. The Loyalists at that stage aren't much more than a bunch of blundering sectarian murderers who couldn't stage any significant "operation" under their own steam but the perception that the "South" is the enemy and gives at least sanctuary to the IRA is stronger than ever.

    It's against that backdrop that you have to look at the Dublin and Monaghan bombings. Loyalists, with or without support from the security services, bringing the conflict home to what they perceived as the IRA's sanctuary.

    If the then Dublin government covered up anything I believe there could have been only one genuine reason; to prevent worse. You have to remember it was a time of volatile public emotion and making any findings indicating Army or RUC involvement was only going to do one thing; push the conflict even further down the road of a full blown civil war from which the Republic of Ireland would not have had much of an option of standing back which would not have been Operation Armagedon but Operation Hopeless.

    no one honesty believes that the british security forces wernt involved...in much the same way as they threatened hinted at a loyalist bombing campaign south of the border should the GFA be rejected

    the issue is that it appears that the gaurdai actualy quite quickly gathered the infi/intelliugence on who was involved/what happened...but the government of the day for reasons that can only be speculated on (more possible bombings/senior ministers being exposed-google this etc) decided to close down the inquiry:confused::confused::confused:

    if this was a republican bomb in London or indeed Dublin and fairly good evidence was uncovered would the govt be in such a rush to close inquiry down??


  • #55
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    William F wrote: »
    You have certain posters here on boards.ie who follow the same protocol anytime a thread emerges implicating Britain in state terrorism.

    It's very hard to believe these people are Irish when they go as far as defending the Dublin and Monaghan Bombings.

    Out of interest, who defended the Bombings.........care to quote a few posts where they were 'defended'?


  • #56
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,443 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    William F wrote: »
    I think Ireland is infected with a great illness, it's called British Rule. The fact that the majority of posters can come on here and play down what happened in 1974 goes to show this.

    Your post doesn't related in any way to the three you replied to in your multiquote. I sense an agenda. Thread not going the way you wanted it to? You didn't need to 'reply' to post that. It's apropos of nothing you responded to.


  • #57
    whupdedo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,513 ✭✭✭whupdedo


    William F wrote: »
    You have certain posters here on boards.ie who follow the same protocol anytime a thread emerges implicating Britain in state terrorism.

    It's very hard to believe these people are Irish when they go as far as defending the Dublin and Monaghan Bombings.

    Oh dear, and you were going so well until your last 2 posts :(


  • #58
    Pocoyo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Pocoyo


    endacl wrote: »
    Your post doesn't related in any way to the three you replied to in your multiquote. I sense an agenda. Thread not going the way you wanted it to? You didn't need to 'reply' to post that. It's apropos of nothing you responded to.

    In fairness its disgraceful how the thread has gone people focusing on ''words'' in a snarky manner rather than the actual event its so disrespectful.


  • #59
    MJ23
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,039 ✭✭✭MJ23


    Should be "eleven nine"
    Americans and their silly way of saying dates.


  • #60
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,443 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Jawgap wrote: »
    Out of interest, who defended the Bombings.........care to quote a few posts where they were 'defended'?

    Back away slowly. I'm up here on that ditch you mentioned. Safer here.


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  • #61
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,443 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Pocoyo wrote: »
    In fairness its disgraceful how the thread has gone people focusing on ''words'' in a snarky manner rather than the actual event its so disrespectful.

    Nothin snarky in it. I only pointed out that the op had included three posts in a multiquote, and responded to all three with a statement that had nothing to do with any of them.

    Tbh, you're not making much sense either...

    ;)


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