UCD students hospitalised after taking "Scuzz"

Amirani · 15-05-2014 06:41PM

PND wrote: »

I repeat: Anyone stupid enough to knowingly ingest dangerous substances should be denied treatment at all A+E Departments if something goes wrong. The gene pool could do with some cleansing.

Thankfully we have a democracy and not a fascist dictatorship based on eugenics so.

DepecheHead101 · 15-05-2014 06:44PM

PND wrote: »

I repeat: Anyone stupid enough to knowingly ingest dangerous substances should be denied treatment at all A+E Departments if something goes wrong. The gene pool could do with some cleansing.

It sounded stupid the first time, too.

PND · 15-05-2014 06:47PM

Diego Simeone wrote: »

Do you engage in potentially dangerous activities like crossing the road? Why should our taxes fund you taking these mindless risks?

Lol, I don't even cross roads.

I always look before I cross. Therein lies the clue

Diego Simeone wrote: »

Thankfully we have a democracy and not a fascist dictatorship based on eugenics so.

Nice straw man.

Boombastic · 15-05-2014 06:51PM

PND wrote: »

I always look before I cross. Therein lies the clue

Nice straw man.

so it's ok to knock down blind people?

Lock Knife · 15-05-2014 06:51PM

PND wrote: »

I always look before I cross. Therein lies the clue

If I get my E tested first can I be in your gang?

FloatingVoter · 15-05-2014 06:54PM

A lot of people took acid around me in my previous life - 20 years ago in college. Generally, the drugs were scored, a flat was the venue with a chillout zone (AKA the kitchen) and a few sober (OK drunk) pilots (me amongst them) along for the ride. The show did not go on the road.
Perhaps a Dummies guide is needed or a new subject introduced to the Leaving Cert.

guitarzero · 15-05-2014 06:57PM

bnt wrote: »

Earlier Indo story and latest Irish Times article on this:

I have to admit that my first reaction upon reading the first story was to burst out laughing. The stuff is called Scuzz, FFS. That should be your first clue right there, assuming that you are so bloody stupid to ingest some random stuff being given out at a party.

The Darwin Awards are always on the lookuot for new candidates, but if someone dies from this stuff, they probably won't be nominated because it would be just sad, nothing new or interesting for the website. You'd think kids would have copped on by now. :rolleyes:

You sound like a tw*t in this post. I nominate you for The Tw*t Awards, you'd win unanimously.

kona · 15-05-2014 07:03PM

c0rk3r wrote: »

Will the students be charged with consumption of illegal narcotics ?

Will you be charged with the fabrication of bull****?

Red Alert · 15-05-2014 07:04PM

How about being smart enough not to buy and consume these substances in the first place?

Lucas Castroman · 15-05-2014 07:18PM

PND wrote: »

I repeat: Anyone stupid enough to knowingly ingest dangerous substances should be denied treatment at all A+E Departments if something goes wrong. The gene pool could do with some cleansing.

Exactly, why should we care about their health if they don't? Hospital are full to the brim with people whose ailments are self-inflicted but we don't do personal accountability in this country.

Miprocin · 15-05-2014 07:22PM

"Mixture of LSD and methamphetamine" is news/police speak for psychedelic amphetamine type drugs (DOB, DOC etc.). It's very frustrating that they don't properly report stories like this. They should wait for results of analysis before printing sensationalist headlines about LSD mixed with meth. The very idea is ludicrous for reasons I don't have time to get into at the moment.

minotour · 15-05-2014 07:26PM

PND wrote: »

I repeat: Anyone stupid enough to knowingly ingest dangerous substances should be denied treatment at all A+E Departments if something goes wrong. The gene pool could do with some cleansing.

Please post my reply to earlier troll!!!

Boombastic · 15-05-2014 07:27PM

Miprocin wrote: »

"Mixture of LSD and methamphetamine" is news/police speak for psychedelic amphetamine type drugs (DOB, DOC etc.). It's very frustrating that they don't properly report stories like this. They should wait for results of analysis before printing sensationalist headlines about LSD mixed with meth. The very idea is ludicrous for reasons I don't have time to get into at the moment.

breaking blackrock

bnt · 15-05-2014 07:39PM

Diego Simeone wrote: »

Do you engage in potentially dangerous activities like crossing the road? Why should our taxes fund you taking these mindless risks?

Lol, I don't even cross roads.

How dangerous is it to cross a road? It depends on a number of factors, and a major one is your mental state. For example, I'm more careful if I'm tired, because I recognise the symptoms. If you've taken too much of something, and can't accurately tell how impaired you are, well, you're asking for trouble. Just comparing crossing the road to taking drugs is silly.

Oddly enough, this can apply to drugs too. Again, it depends. There are studies suggesting that drivers who have smoked marijuana know they're impaired and actually drive more carefully - perhaps too carefully. I saw this in person when I lived in South Africa, when I hung out with a guy who smoked like a diesel engine with a blown gasket. I didn't smoke anything (and still don't), but I was happy enough with my head out the passenger side window, blue smoke wafting past my head. On one occasion we were pootling along at a very reasonable speed when another car pulled out in front of us, and my friend was instantly wide awake and calmly slowed the car down, well in time.

So I'm not one of those "ban all drugs!" people - besides, I like my coffee and the occasional belt of whiskey - but the effects and dosages of those are well understood and manageable. This incident amused me not because it involved drugs per se, but because it involved idiots taking an unknown mix and quantity of drugs.

Holsten · 15-05-2014 07:45PM

People take drugs they can't handle... big deal.

Not all drugs are party drugs.

PND · 15-05-2014 07:47PM

"Hmmm.I'll just help myself to this substance that's being offered to me here by some random dirtbag even though I haven't the remotest clue as to what it is or what it could do to me!What can possibly go wrong?"

Amirani · 15-05-2014 07:51PM

PND wrote: »

"Hmmm.I'll just help myself to this substance that's being offered to me here by some random dirtbag even though I haven't the remotest clue as to what it is or what it could do to me!What can possibly go wrong?"

Stupid and naive alright. But the punishment for stupidity shouldn't be death, as you seem to be suggesting by refusing access to health care.

Baked.noodle · 15-05-2014 08:02PM

I've experimented a couple of times, and it's strength can vary quite a bit. It has a lot to do with biology I reckon, and probably other things like how much drink you've had. It wiped out somebody I was with. They were just gone for a few hours, but I was ok. Good fun, but somewhere safe is important. I can understand kids saying "what the hell, you only live once". I did.

Miprocin · 15-05-2014 08:11PM

Baked.noodle wrote: »

I've experimented a couple of times, and it's strength can vary quite a bit. It has a lot to do with biology I reckon, and probably other thinks like how much drink you've had. It wiped out somebody I was with. They were just gone for a few hours, but I was ok. Good fun, but somewhere safe is important. I can understand kids saying "what the hell, you only live once". I did.

No, the problem here is that it wasn't LSD. LSD is one of the least physiologically dangerous drugs out there. Any time the media come out with stuff like "LSD mixed with meth" you can be sure it's not LSD.

Heroditas · 15-05-2014 08:14PM

Miprocin wrote: »

No, the problem here is that it wasn't LSD. LSD is one of the least physiologically drugs out there. Any time the media come out with stuff like "LSD mixed with meth" you can be sure it's not LSD.

Typically an LSD based drug is on a piece of paper, like in this instance though.
I'd be interested to see what they really did consume. Parts of this story don't add up - a drug ingested via tabs of paper that turns people borderline psychotic? Hmmmm

PND · 15-05-2014 08:20PM

Diego Simeone wrote: »

Stupid and naive alright. But the punishment for stupidity shouldn't be death, as you seem to be suggesting by refusing access to health care.

I was brought up to believe that stupidity, alongside laziness, should never be rewarded. If you die or are seriously injured through your own sheer stupidity, who else is to blame? Who else should have to pick up the pieces?

Here's a scenario:
You are a doctor working in an A+E department. You have two patients both requiring immediate attention: Patient (A)who consumed a cocktail of drugs and alcohol and is now blacked out comatose, or Patient (B) who was t-boned by a driver that broke a red light whilst driving home from work. Which one of these gets your attention first?

Celly Smunt · 15-05-2014 08:22PM

Some LSD, some sigur ros and dimmed lights on a friday night. Heaven.

Spunge · 15-05-2014 08:24PM

2CI-nbome ?

Miprocin · 15-05-2014 08:24PM

There are many other drugs potent enough to fit on pieces of blotter paper. The DOx series of substituted amphetamines is one class. I'd put money on it being one of the NBOMe series of substituted phenethylamines. This would fit with a massive global trend. Google news articles for NBOMe or 25i and you'll find many stories similar to this.

Heroditas · 15-05-2014 08:27PM

Miprocin wrote: »

There are many other drugs potent enough to fit on pieces of blotter paper. The DOx series of substituted amphetamines is one class. I'd put money on it being one of the NBOMe series of substituted phenethylamines. This would fit with a massive global trend. Google news articles for NBOMe or 25i and you'll find many stories similar to this.

I think it's safe to say I'm a bit out of touch nowadays!
It was a bit more innocent back in my time. In fact, acid seemed to be quite scarce in the early to mid 90s. Certainly never came across any of those DOx ones anyway.

Spunge · 15-05-2014 08:29PM

PND wrote: »

I was brought up to believe that stupidity, alongside laziness, should never be rewarded. If you die or are seriously injured through your own sheer stupidity, who else is to blame? Who else should have to pick up the pieces?

Here's a scenario:
You are a doctor working in an A+E department. You have two patients both requiring immediate attention: Patient (A)who consumed a cocktail of drugs and alcohol and is now blacked out comatose, or Patient (B) who was t-boned by a driver that broke a red light whilst driving home from work. Which one of these gets your attention first?

spoiler:

is secretly a rapist.

Miprocin · 15-05-2014 08:32PM

Heroditas wrote: »

I think it's safe to say I'm a bit out of touch nowadays!
It was a bit more innocent back in my time. In fact, acid seemed to be quite scarce in the early to mid 90s. Certainly never came across any of those DOx ones anyway.

There was DOB sold as ecstasy about 15 years ago. It led to... unpleasantness.

Related article

Polka_Dot · 15-05-2014 08:36PM

bnt wrote: »

How dangerous is it to cross a road? It depends on a number of factors, and a major one is your mental state. For example, I'm more careful if I'm tired, because I recognise the symptoms. If you've taken too much of something, and can't accurately tell how impaired you are, well, you're asking for trouble. Just comparing crossing the road to taking drugs is silly.

Oddly enough, this can apply to drugs too. Again, it depends. There are studies suggesting that drivers who have smoked marijuana know they're impaired and actually drive more carefully - perhaps too carefully. I saw this in person when I lived in South Africa, when I hung out with a guy who smoked like a diesel engine with a blown gasket. I didn't smoke anything (and still don't), but I was happy enough with my head out the passenger side window, blue smoke wafting past my head. On one occasion we were pootling along at a very reasonable speed when another car pulled out in front of us, and my friend was instantly wide awake and calmly slowed the car down, well in time.

So I'm not one of those "ban all drugs!" people - besides, I like my coffee and the occasional belt of whiskey - but the effects and dosages of those are well understood and manageable. This incident amused me not because it involved drugs per se, but because it involved idiots taking an unknown mix and quantity of drugs.

Noel Edmonds: What is cake? Well, it has an active ingredient which is a dangerous psychoactive compound known as "dimesmeric andersonphospate". It stimulates the part of the brain called "Shatner's bassoon", and that's the bit of the brain that deals with time perception. So a second feels like a month. Well, it almost sounds like fun, unless you're the Prague schoolboy who walked out into the street, straight in front of a tram. He thought he'd got a month to cross the street...

Heroditas · 15-05-2014 08:38PM

Miprocin wrote: »

There was DOB sold as ecstasy about 15 years ago. It led to... unpleasantness.

Related article

Oh yeah! I remember that.
That was 15 years ago???!!

beccaface · 15-05-2014 09:27PM

It wasn't just a bad trip or the students not being able to handle it. Was talking to one of the paramedics who was there. One kid had a seizure and another stopped breathing and turned blue and had to be resuscitated. Didn't sound like just a freak out to me

UCD students hospitalised after taking "Scuzz"

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